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Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 05 2007,01:37) 94, Good news! But always remember who you are doing it for: God. Never let it be for your own righteousness but as a strong way to grow close to the One who made you. If we approach all we do with a mind towards pleasing our heavenly Father, it should not be a point of contention with another sibling in Christ.
Hi KJ:It has never been a point of contention with me. I still believe that it is a matter of principle rather than the specific day, but for the sake of unity, this is what the Lord wants, and I want to do what he wants. It is not about me, but about the salvation of God's people from the consequence of sin.
And if God chooses to use me in the office of a Bishop, it is His decision. I am not going to exalt myself to that position, but he will ordain me in that postion if that is what he wants.
God Bless
Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 04 2007,03:20) Besides that, how many people even rest from man's work on Sunday? Sunday has become about worshiping corporately for a few hours and the rest of the day is spent doing other things. One of the last churches I attended does not even have Sunday night service anymore! They said it was for “family time” but you'd find mot of them watching football, hanging out at the mall, or whatever. So if Sunday is the “Christian sabbath” its turned out to be a poor one.
Good word, brother.I see you are coming along in your Sabbath study/views. I am following you in my personal study. Thanks to all for contributing to this thread – it's an important one for those who want to find out what pleases the LORD.
PS – Ken, see what you have started? One plants, one waters……. God bless us all.
https://office.jcstudies.com/dada/mail.cgi/list/tasteoftorah
Here is a link to a site where I have enrolled in a teaching series on the Torah. So far, so good! Check it out if this is something that might interest you.
kejonn
You cant please God by keeping the law. But if that is what you believe then you should strive to keep all of it.
Blessings
WJ,
That is where most Christians hit the big “disconnect”. When a Christian sees another speaking of striving to adhere to the commandments or even looking into some of the festivals, they automatically back away and say “Hey, we're not supposed to do that. We're under grace, not the law”. You are certainly correct! But if you would stop and read what I have been saying, you'll see that I'm not placing myself under the law to be judged by it or to find righteousness in it. Instead, I am studying to know what my Father in heaven is pleased with in His children.
What if you had access to a friend's diary or journal, and in it, that friend listed all of the things that made him/her happy? Also, you found a list of things that made him/her angry or sad or disappointed. With this knowledge in hand, would you not then try to avoid those things that brought sorrow and wrath to your friend and seek out hose things that brought joy to that person's life? If you did these things selflessly — that is not looking for reward or avoiding punishment — don't you think it would improve your relationship with that person immensely?
Well, we have God's journal and we call it the Holy Bible. Old and New Testament. It is chock full of things that make God happy and many things that make Him mad.
Take yourself back to childhood. Can you remember the feeling of love you got from your mom or dad when you selflessly did something for them, and how it made you love them more? Well, Yeshua told us to come as little children, and I can't think of too many little children that don't beam with joy when they have done something for mom or dad just out of love. After all, their parents do so much for them. And what parent does more for us than our Father in heaven? He sent His only Son so that we may have an eternity in His presence!
So, to me, its about giving back to God just a smidge of what He has already given me. I can never even come close to repaying Him, and He doesn't ask for that, but you know He finds joy when we do things that please Him. Just like any Father would.
LG & LP,
Kevinkejonn
You say…
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Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 05 2007,01:37)
94,Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 04 2007,03:20)
Besides that, how many people even rest from man's work on Sunday? Sunday has become about worshiping corporately for a few hours and the rest of the day is spent doing other things. One of the last churches I attended does not even have Sunday night service anymore! They said it was for “family time” but you'd find mot of them watching football, hanging out at the mall, or whatever. So if Sunday is the “Christian sabbath” its turned out to be a poor one.
We can agree to disagree and still be brothers.
I would like to share this.
As born again believers our life is a life of the Spirit and bearing fruit, some thirty some 60 and some 100 fold.
The kingdom of God is without outward observation. It is righteousness peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
To the believer “worship” is not limited to one day. But everyday is a a day of worship, for our “sabbath” rest is in Jesus finished work on calvary. There is nothing more that I need to do or to add to that, but to be filled with the Spirit and led by his Spirit
If I am led by his Spirit I will be fulfilling the “Law” and the first two commandments by which the law and prophets hang.
I believe a close study of the book of Galations will reveal that we are not under the law for it was the schoolmaster that brought us to Christ. Everyting in the Old is fullfilled in the New. Yeshua is the reality of those things.
Paul says…
3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that **continueth not in all things** which are written in the book of the law to do them.
3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith
Then he says…
3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
then later on Paul clarifys this life or “new man”, and the living out of this new life.
5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
(I cant figure out how keeping the physical Sabbath would have anything to do with loving my neighbor)5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Every man has to be convinced in his own mind. For me I am free in Christ. I worship him daily and rest in him and in his work daily. I seek to love my neigbor as my self, by this I believe I have fulfilled the whole law.
IMHO
Blessings.
Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 05 2007,09:17) WJ, That is where most Christians hit the big “disconnect”. When a Christian sees another speaking of striving to adhere to the commandments or even looking into some of the festivals, they automatically back away and say “Hey, we're not supposed to do that. We're under grace, not the law”. You are certainly correct! But if you would stop and read what I have been saying, you'll see that I'm not placing myself under the law to be judged by it or to find righteousness in it. Instead, I am studying to know what my Father in heaven is pleased with in His children.
What if you had access to a friend's diary or journal, and in it, that friend listed all of the things that made him/her happy? Also, you found a list of things that made him/her angry or sad or disappointed. With this knowledge in hand, would you not then try to avoid those things that brought sorrow and wrath to your friend and seek out hose things that brought joy to that person's life? If you did these things selflessly — that is not looking for reward or avoiding punishment — don't you think it would improve your relationship with that person immensely?
Well, we have God's journal and we call it the Holy Bible. Old and New Testament. It is chock full of things that make God happy and many things that make Him mad.
Take yourself back to childhood. Can you remember the feeling of love you got from your mom or dad when you selflessly did something for them, and how it made you love them more? Well, Yeshua told us to come as little children, and I can't think of too many little children that don't beam with joy when they have done something for mom or dad just out of love. After all, their parents do so much for them. And what parent does more for us than our Father in heaven? He sent His only Son so that we may have an eternity in His presence!
So, to me, its about giving back to God just a smidge of what He has already given me. I can never even come close to repaying Him, and He doesn't ask for that, but you know He finds joy when we do things that please Him. Just like any Father would.
LG & LP,
Kevin
kejonnSorry didnt see this post before my last.
However you say…
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Instead, I am studying to know what my Father in heaven is pleased with in His children.I think there is only one way to please the Father and that is our faith in Yeshua and his finished work on calvary.
Matt 17:5
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.Peter had just said let us make 3 Tabernacles, one for Elijah and moses and Jesus, His mindset was still the outward law.
Jesus said my Kingdom is not of this world. We are not of this world, but have been translated into the Kingdom of Yeshua.
Jesus said…
Matt 11:28
Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
9 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
10 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.The word heavy laden is 'phortizō' which means;
1) to place a burden upon, to load
2) metaph. to load one with a burden (of rites and unwarranted precepts)
Jesus is the fulfillment and the reality of all the types and shadows of the Old.
The Father dosnt want us to get to know him by the OT law.
He wants us to get to know him by knowing Yeshua.
When the Father looks at us he will only be pleased by our rest in Yeshua.
IMHO
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 05 2007,09:42) kejonn You say…
Quote
Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 05 2007,01:37)
94,Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 04 2007,03:20)
Besides that, how many people even rest from man's work on Sunday? Sunday has become about worshiping corporately for a few hours and the rest of the day is spent doing other things. One of the last churches I attended does not even have Sunday night service anymore! They said it was for “family time” but you'd find mot of them watching football, hanging out at the mall, or whatever. So if Sunday is the “Christian sabbath” its turned out to be a poor one.
We can agree to disagree and still be brothers.
I would like to share this.
As born again believers our life is a life of the Spirit and bearing fruit, some thirty some 60 and some 100 fold.
The kingdom of God is without outward observation. It is righteousness peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
To the believer “worship” is not limited to one day. But everyday is a a day of worship, for our “sabbath” rest is in Jesus finished work on calvary. There is nothing more that I need to do or to add to that, but to be filled with the Spirit and led by his Spirit
If I am led by his Spirit I will be fulfilling the “Law” and the first two commandments by which the law and prophets hang.
I believe a close study of the book of Galations will reveal that we are not under the law for it was the schoolmaster that brought us to Christ. Everyting in the Old is fullfilled in the New. Yeshua is the reality of those things.
Paul says…
3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that **continueth not in all things** which are written in the book of the law to do them.
3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith
Then he says…
3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
then later on Paul clarifys this life or “new man”, and the living out of this new life.
5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
(I cant figure out how keeping the physical Sabbath would have anything to do with loving my neighbor)5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Every man has to be convinced in his own mind. For me I am free in Christ. I worship him daily and rest in him and in his work daily. I seek to love my neigbor as my self, by this I believe I have fulfilled the whole law.
IMHO
Blessings.
Quote I believe a close study of the book of Galations will reveal that we are not under the law for it was the schoolmaster that brought us to Christ. Everyting in the Old is fullfilled in the New. Yeshua is the reality of those things. WJ which of the Ten Commandments point to the coming Messiah?
To all;
Jesus said not to think that he came to destroy the law. However, when he compared the law of Moses to being children of the Highest, the differences are substantial.
In the sermon on the Mount he says that whosoever shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so, shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. But whosoever shall do and teach them the same shall be called great.
Christ taught that under his teaching that what was in the heart was the key issue. He said under Moses if you kill you will be in danger of the judgment but under his teaching (which was from the Father) anyone who is angry with his brother without a cause shall be danger of the judgment. Clearly, a higher standard is being taught.
He also said that Moses taught ye shall not commit adultery, but now he says don't even look upon a woman to lust after hath committed adultery with her in his heart.
The new covenant in Christ is where God deposits his grace in our hearts and converts what has been a heart of stone into a heart of flesh that is sensitive to God and is led of the spirit of God.
Paul made it clear ye cannot please God in the flesh. But under grace, you can prevail through him.
James said if ye keep the royal law according to the scripture ye do well.
Paul rebuked Peter for compelling others to keep the law when Peter himself was no longer keeping the law. He said the rudiments contained in ordinances was nailed to the cross. That pretty much tells us what is left to obey. Paul even said that whatever day you worship is actually a conscience issue (Romans 14:5), but not to place our liberty in Christ Jesus in face of those who are weak.
I think Paul really summed it up when he said God sent his own Son in the likeness of sin in the flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but the spirit. Romans 8:3-4
Take Care
Steven
Steve,
Many people throw Romans 14:5 out to say that Paul is saying any ol' day is good for worship. And truthfully, we should give God praise every day. But what in the context of Romans 14 leads you to think that Paul is talking about a day of worship? There are many, many more holy days that the Jews still observe today that Christians know nothing about, and many are call “feasts”. What do you think of when you see the word “feast”? Eating. And what does the chapter talk about? Eating certain foods. It says nothing at all about worship.
Do I think Sunday worship is wrong? No, no more than Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc. We can call on God any day and He will hear us. But He specifically set aside one specific day for us to focus fully on Him.
Let me ask you (it is rhetorical), do you dedicate all of Sunday to Him? Do you lay aside the normals works you do on the other days so you can focus on His work? If you only dedicate the first few hours of the day, then you've not really made Sunday into some semblance of the Sabbath.
That is not to say you can't do His work everyday. I'm on this forum daily trying to do His work. But on the Sabbath, I should lay aside my normal daily activities and seek to do things pleasing to Him. That is the idea behind the Sabbath.
LG&LP,
KJHi Im new here but I have been reading on the site for a few weeks now. It is nice to see so many searching for the truth. Here is what has been revealed to me.
The Sabbath Bible Study
An old Jewish tradition or and everlasting covenant with the Creator?Why do so many people today reject one of God’s most rewarding commandments? What does the Bible says about keeping the 7th day Sabbath?
People that want to follow Mat 6:33 and seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness; shouldn’t keep any ol' day out of convenience, this is why.
In Genesis 2:2 God rested on the 7th day as an example for us to follow. Other verses about the 7th day are Ex. 16:25-28, the 4th commandment in 20:8-11, and 23:12, 31:13-17, and Lev.23:3.
Ex.31:16 Tells us that this is a perpetual covenant between God and man. Before there was even Israelite people walking the earth the Bible tells us of Abraham. Abraham followed God’s commandments Gen. 26:5.
Also we don’t need to be born “physically” in or of Israel to be Israel. Through our belief in The Messiah we are one in God’s spirit. The proof is in the Bible.
Rom. 2:28-29 says For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Here God tells us we are Jew's inwardly what you are on the outside doesn’t count here. The Bible is very plain on this topic.
Rom. 9:6-8 says Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The promise talked of here is the promise of all the nations of the earth being blessed by Christ’s coming, thru Abraham’s seed. See also Gen. 22:18 and Matt. 1:1.
What should matter most to you is how God sees you. Well open your eyes because if you accept Christ, than you are all heirs according to the promise and are part of Israel. Furthermore you need to keep the Sabbath, if you are not Christ's than you are in a bad situation and you should accept him right now by asking Him into your life through prayer.
Outofbabylon
We first need to understand that we must look to God for all things including time and days. The calendar we use today is a pagan one with each month named after a Roman god and each day of the week after a fallen angel. God's year starts in Abib Ex 12:2 and 13:4. The months of God's calendar are different from the pagan calendar but the days of the week are the same. This is important to know in order to worship God how he wants to be worshiped.
t8…..> Saturday is the sabbath day and starts at sun down friday to sun down saturday. The Jew's keep it pertty much right. If you decide to Keep the sabbath you need to see it as a Delight and not something repressive. It carries a smbloic reference of entering into God's rest. And the phycical day should never replace the spritual principle that we now know. So the sabbath is good if kept used
rightly……bless you brother……geneI really need to set some things straight here. I read a previous post relating to the first day of the week and Y'shua's first appearence to those upon His resurection. First of all Y'shua was raised “exactly” 3 days and three nights after He was placed in the tomb. If you don't believe that then Y'shua is a liar and we are not saved.
Y'shua rose just before sundown on the Sabbath, because He was placed in the tomb just before sundown.
So, the firt appearence He made was on the first day of the week!
Secondly, the Feast of Weeks or Shavout is always on the first day of the week according to the Torah. YHWH our ELohim made it this way for a purpose. Shavout is when the Set-apart Spirit came down to the first believers. They were gathered on this first day of the week (Paul, Peter etc.) because it is a High Sabbath, which we are to keep still today! Shavout is special and it was fulfilled through the death and resurection, and then His assention to the Father's right hand, so then the Spirit could come to those who “kept His High Sabbath!” 3,000 were anointed with the Set-apart Spirit that day!
The days between Shavout and the Feast of Unleavened Bread(the first Sabbath mentioned after the death of the Messiah) are called “counting the omer” To a Jew it is a time of great expectation. So when the Spirit came, they had been counting the weeks and Sabbaths for Shavout. The first day after the 7th Sabbath after the High Sabbath of Feast of Unleavened Bread is Shavout. So it can only and always fall on the first day of the week. I think YHWH is His great Wisdom and Mercy caused the Sunday worshippers to worship Him on a High Sabbbath on purpose. In fact I'm sure of it.
Actually, the Sunday worshippers could legitamately use it as an excuse for Sunday worship, but they don't, because most pastors and priest have no clue what Shavout is and don't even care to learn about it because it is Jewish and old.
Hope I set you all straight.
LaurelQuote (Laurel @ Oct. 05 2007,15:32) I really need to set some things straight here. I read a previous post relating to the first day of the week and Y'shua's first appearence to those upon His resurection. First of all Y'shua was raised “exactly” 3 days and three nights after He was placed in the tomb. If you don't believe that then Y'shua is a liar and we are not saved. Y'shua rose just before sundown on the Sabbath, because He was placed in the tomb just before sundown.
So, the firt appearence He made was on the first day of the week!
Secondly, the Feast of Weeks or Shavout is always on the first day of the week according to the Torah. YHWH our ELohim made it this way for a purpose. Shavout is when the Set-apart Spirit came down to the first believers. They were gathered on this first day of the week (Paul, Peter etc.) because it is a High Sabbath, which we are to keep still today! Shavout is special and it was fulfilled through the death and resurection, and then His assention to the Father's right hand, so then the Spirit could come to those who “kept His High Sabbath!” 3,000 were anointed with the Set-apart Spirit that day!
The days between Shavout and the Feast of Unleavened Bread(the first Sabbath mentioned after the death of the Messiah) are called “counting the omer” To a Jew it is a time of great expectation. So when the Spirit came, they had been counting the weeks and Sabbaths for Shavout. The first day after the 7th Sabbath after the High Sabbath of Feast of Unleavened Bread is Shavout. So it can only and always fall on the first day of the week. I think YHWH is His great Wisdom and Mercy caused the Sunday worshippers to worship Him on a High Sabbbath on purpose. In fact I'm sure of it.
Actually, the Sunday worshippers could legitamately use it as an excuse for Sunday worship, but they don't, because most pastors and priest have no clue what Shavout is and don't even care to learn about it because it is Jewish and old.
Hope I set you all straight.
Laurel
lauralWhat day was Jesus crucified on?
Hi All!
I believe that if a man wants to regard one day better than another then who am I to judge. Even so I think we should be like the Bereans and search out the truth. For there is only one truth. Either way a man is not justified by the keeping of the law. But we do need to understand if the physical keeping of the 7th day Sabbath is still a requirement to believers and if it is beneficial to our spiritual growth and our Love for God.
So It seems good to me to dedicate my time here not not getting into indepth debate over the Trinity for a time. (I can hear many saying, thank you
). I believe as far as the Sabbath what I have said so far still stands true for me, however I admit this is not a subject that I have given much time to because I always and still do believe that we walk by faith and not by sight, neither can we please God by our works.
With all that said I will post sources that may or may not be what I believe 100% but can give us a different view or angle on the many points being made here. Of course since I am a Trinitarian most of my sources will probably be Trinitarian.
One avenue I think we should explore is the early Church Fathers and what their view was on the 7th day Sabbath.
To start I have been reading the testimony of a previous Sabbath supporter and here is some information about that person…
Having received a written permission from D. M. Canright, Grand Rapids, Mich., I have made some choice quotations from his excellent work Seventh Day Adventism Renounced. Mr. Canright was for a number of years a very prominent minister and writer of the Adventist faith. At the time he renounced their doctrines in 1887, he held a number of the highest offices in the society, and was, no doubt, one of the ablest ministers they have ever had. Hear his testimony:
“After keeping the seventh day and extensively advocating it for over a quarter of a century, I became satisfied that it was an error, and that the blessing of God did not go with the keeping of it. Like thousands of others, when I embraced the seventh day Sabbath I thought that the argument was all on one side, so plain that one hour's reading ought to settle it, so clear that no man could reject the Sabbath and be honest. The only marvel to me was that everybody did not see and embrace it.
“But after keeping it twenty eight years; after having persuaded more than a thousand others to keep it; after having read my Bible through, verse by verse, more than twenty times; after having scrutinized, to the very best of my ability every text, line, and word in the Bible having the remotest bearing upon the Sabbath question; after having looked up all these, both in the original and in many translations; after having searched in lexicons, concordances, commentaries, and dictionaries; after having read armfuls of books on both sides of the question; after having read every line in all the early church Fathers upon this point, and having written several works in favor of the seventh day, which were satisfactory to my brethren; after having debated the question for more than a dozen times; after seeing the fruits of keeping it, and weighing all the evidence in the fear of God, I am fully settled in my own mind and convinced that the evidence is against the keeping of the seventh day.”—Seventh day Adventism Renounced, pages 185, 186.
Such testimony is of great value and weight. In the chapters “The Sabbath on a Round Earth,” and “The Law,” I quote from his work at some length. Also, scattered throughout the book are a few quotations from D. S. Warner's former book on The Sabbath. In some cases I have given extracts of the quotations, instead of giving them in full or verbatim. I ask the reader to give this book a careful study with unbiased mind; and I believe the truth contained in its pages will be flashlights from the throne of God to your understanding.
Yours in Christian love,
— H. M. Riggle
http://www.churchofgod.net/the-sabbath-and-the-lords-day.htmThe website this quote came from has much more on this subject for those who would like to check it out.
Like I said I may or may not agree on every point just giving food for thought as I am trying to learn here also.
Hi all!
Also, as I had said earlier, I believe the Epistle of Paul to the Galations was written to address the issue of the “keeping of the law”, the Old Covenant as opoosed to “walking in the Spirit” the New Covenant.
Here is some information about the epistle of Galatians folowed by some interesting scriptures concerning this matter. (Emphasis mine)
The Epistle to the Galatians is a book of the New Testament. It is a letter from Paul of Tarsus to a number of early Christian communities in the Roman province of Galatia in central Anatolia. It is principally concerned with the controversy surrounding Gentile Christians and the Mosaic Law within Early Christianity. Along with the Epistle to the Romans, it is the most theologically significant of the Pauline epistles, and has been particularly influential in Protestant thought.
The churches of Galatia were founded by Paul himself (Acts 16:6; Gal 1:8; 4:13, 4:19). They seem to have been composed mainly of converts from paganism (4:8). After Paul's departure, the churches were visited by individuals whom Paul regarded as troublemakers preaching a “different gospel” from that preached by Paul (1:6–9). The Galatians appear to have been receptive to the teaching of these newcomers, and the epistle is Paul's angry response to what he sees as their willingness to turn from his teaching.
The identity of these “opponents” is disputed. We do not have a record of their activity, but are left to reconstruct it from Paul's response. However, the majority of modern scholars view them as Jewish Christians (i.e. Judaizers), who taught that in order for pagans to belong to the people of God, they must be subject to some or all of the Jewish Law. The letter indicates controversy concerning circumcision, Sabbath observance, and the Mosaic Law. It would appear, from Paul's response, that they cited the example of Abraham, who was circumcised as a mark of receiving the covenant blessings (Genesis 17), see also Abrahamic religion. They certainly appear to have questioned Paul's authority as an apostle, perhaps appealing to the greater authority of the Jerusalem church governed by James the Just.
It appears the teachers made some headway among Paul's converts. Sociological research has suggested that converts from dominant paganism may have suffered a “loss of identity”, and found the clarity offered by a Jewish identity and a law-observant lifestyle attractive.
Paul responds angrily. He rehearses his conversion and apostolic credentials, records his relationship with the Jerusalem Church, and engages in an argument over the interpretation of the Abraham story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_GalatiansThe Covenant From Sinai Abolished
Gal. 4:21-31
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, and the other by a free woman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh, but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the Mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar…. But Jerusalem which is above is free which is the mother of us all…. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born of the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the freeBlessings.
What day did Yeshua get crucified? On the 14th day of Nisan (Abib), which is also the day before the Feast of Unleavened Bread (FoUB). The first day of the FoUB was a sabbath because there was no work to be done on it, just as the last day of the FoUB. We know it is not the weekly Sabbath because of this verse:
Joh 19:31 Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away.
I will provide OT scriptural evidence later that Yeshua observed the First Passover with his disciples the night prior to his death, and that he died on the Second Passover.
Thus it appears that Yeshua died on Wednesday and was laid in the tomb Wednesday evening, before sunset which would start the Jewish 5th day. So he either arose just before sunset on Saturday, placing his resurrection on the weekly Sabbath, or early after sunset on Saturday. Laurel believes the former and it makes sense if you're going on exact times from when he was laid in the tomb (prior to Sunset Wednesday).
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