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Mat 7:1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged.
Mat 7:2 “For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.Luk 6:37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.
Rom 2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
Rom 2:2 And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things.Rom 14:10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
Rom 14:13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this–not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.
Jas 4:11 Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge of it.
Jas 4:12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judge your neighbor?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 14 2007,09:57) kenrch So since we are all on the wide road that leads to destruction because we dont keep “Your Commandments” then we are all going to hell right? In fact because we dont physically observe the 7th day Sabbath (according to Ken) then we dont even know God, right?. We are all followers of satan. Right?
This is a pitifull testimony to the world of what Christianity is all about!
No Wj haven't you been listening and reading scripture You will be the least in the kingdom IF you are deceived? But you are NOT deceived are you?
Scripture say “this is the love of God that we keep His commandments.
Scripture says that he who says he Know HIM and keeps not the commandments is a LIAR.
Where did I judge?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 14 2007,09:57) kenrch So since we are all on the wide road that leads to destruction because we dont keep “Your Commandments” then we are all going to hell right? In fact because we dont physically observe the 7th day Sabbath (according to Ken) then we dont even know God, right?. We are all followers of satan. Right?
This is a pitifull testimony to the world of what Christianity is all about!
But don't you say (or Isaiah) that people go to Hell for not believing in the Trinity?
Actually I don't mean to change the subject, but you, Isaiah, or both argue that it is belief in the Trinity or it's Hell.It seems like the same thing to me.
The commandments of men.
Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Hello the Calvary arrived!!!
Thoughts
Judgement is precious and differing from what the earthly mind can conceive?
It is an anointing of election, to those having wit to overcome the second death, anything other is, premature praise leading to self destruction, hating even its own soul, not to even care, that then has nothing inward to find to offer towards another’s grace to stand, we having found there is nothing we can to do of ourselves to please the lord
Except be Saturated in growing in the grace of Lord which can’t help but be projected out, and in its weight and balance, as the elected is conscious of his own souls wealth and danger, by every word he administrates, care and concern, become a arrow of rejoicing on direct impact of the truth by justice.Quote (t8 @ Sep. 14 2007,16:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 14 2007,09:57) kenrch So since we are all on the wide road that leads to destruction because we dont keep “Your Commandments” then we are all going to hell right? In fact because we dont physically observe the 7th day Sabbath (according to Ken) then we dont even know God, right?. We are all followers of satan. Right?
This is a pitifull testimony to the world of what Christianity is all about!
But don't you say (or Isaiah) that people go to Hell for not believing in the Trinity?
Actually I don't mean to change the subject, but you, Isaiah, or both argue that it is belief in the Trinity or it's Hell.It seems like the same thing to me.
The commandments of men.
t8Have you ever heard me say you are going to hell?
Or any believer in the Lord?
I do believe it is possible for one to say Jesus is Lord and not be saved.
Or to know a different Jesus.
“Lord, Lord did we not….”
I dont judge mens hearts t8, I leave that up to God!
Tell me, is it possible for “ministers of satan”, to go to heaven?
For that is what you call Trinitarians!
I think you are just being contentious and trying to start a fight!
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 14 2007,16:12) Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Again, sweet freedom.There is no mistake in this word of truth being given in red writing…….there was a life given with red blood…..he purchased our freedom.
Romans 8:1-4
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.For what the law was powerless to do….God did by sending his own Son…..in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us…..
Requirements – fully met!
Freedom in Christ Jesus our Lord!Quote (kejonn @ Sep. 14 2007,15:51) Mat 7:1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged.
Mat 7:2 “For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.Luk 6:37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.
Rom 2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
Rom 2:2 And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things.Rom 14:10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
Rom 14:13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this–not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.
Jas 4:11 Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge of it.
Jas 4:12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judge your neighbor?
kejonnExcellent scriptures.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 14 2007,16:12) Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
t8BTW.
Good scripture!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 14 2007,16:47) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 14 2007,16:12) Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
t8BTW.
Good scripture!
WJ……> what if Paul was talking to people who were keeping all those things and telling them not to let people who wern't doing those things judge them. I don't know just asking thats all.I do believe in the sabbath day, both in principle and spiritual meannings. But I try to keep it like Jesus said,” the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath. I think the great principle of the sabbath is this idea of entering into rest and is fullfilled when we cease to do our works and let the spirit of God work in us. I know the important thing of the sabbath is a spiritual principle, and we that believe have intered into that rest. I don't condem those who don't, let each man or woman be convinced in their own mind………Peace to all……gene
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.Context Gentlemen, context.
Start with verse 14 “handwritings of ordinances”
Then meat, drink, a holy day, new moon, or Sabbath dayS.
None of which has anything to do with any of the Law that God wrote. The Sabbath DAYS taken in context are annual Sabbath dayS that go with feasts of holy day, new moons, food and drink.
The Ten Commandments does not point to the sacrifice of Christ.
Scripture judges gentlemen not those who quote it.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
If you love God then What Is the Big Deal for you to keep His Day. It is a delight and as scripture says not a burden.
Freedom sweet freedom! To do what? Stay in the world! Keep pagan days, doctrines of the Harlot. Freedom to believe in the Trinity and break His commandments? To put a tree in your house!
How does a tree in your house honor Christ's birth? OR bunny rabbits that lay eggs to do with Christ resurrection?
Freedom sweet freedom to disobey God!Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
When you keep pagan days, put a tree in your house, and hunt for eggs that a rabbit laid; does calling these pagan days and ACTIONS Christian make them Christian? How does a tree and rabbits that lay eggs not to mention all the drunkness and materialism honor God?
But to keep a day that your Father says to keep is too hard! Sorry their is something very wrong with that!
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Are we to please God or the world and those in the world.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Some say Paul said those things because of the times in which he lived.
You mean Paul followed the ways of the world? Paul was politically correct? If Paul walked the earth today Would he have a change of heart or would he be call a male sexist pig by the world?!
If Paul was influenced by the world then he would not have been an apostle.
Let us keep things in the Godly order no matter what the world says.
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Pray in the Spirit and follow the scriptures.
God bless,
Ken
Quote (kenrch @ Sep. 15 2007,02:47) Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.Context Gentlemen, context.
Start with verse 14 “handwritings of ordinances”
Then meat, drink, a holy day, new moon, or Sabbath dayS.
None of which has anything to do with any of the Law that God wrote. The Sabbath DAYS taken in context are annual Sabbath dayS that go with feasts of holy day, new moons, food and drink.
The Ten Commandments does not point to the sacrifice of Christ.
Scripture judges gentlemen not those who quote it.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
If you love God then What Is the Big Deal for you to keep His Day. It is a delight and as scripture says not a burden.
Freedom sweet freedom! To do what? Stay in the world! Keep pagan days, doctrines of the Harlot. Freedom to believe in the Trinity and break His commandments? To put a tree in your house!
How does a tree in your house honor Christ's birth? OR bunny rabbits that lay eggs to do with Christ resurrection?
Freedom sweet freedom to disobey God!Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
When you keep pagan days, put a tree in your house, and hunt for eggs that a rabbit laid; does calling these pagan days and ACTIONS Christian make them Christian? How does a tree and rabbits that lay eggs not to mention all the drunkness and materialism honor God?
But to keep a day that your Father says to keep is too hard! Sorry their is something very wrong with that!
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Are we to please God or the world and those in the world.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Some say Paul said those things because of the times in which he lived.
You mean Paul followed the ways of the world? Paul was politically correct? If Paul walked the earth today Would he have a change of heart or would he be call a male sexist pig by the world?!
If Paul was influenced by the world then he would not have been an apostle.
Let us keep things in the Godly order no matter what the world says.
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Pray in the Spirit and follow the scriptures.
God bless,
Ken
“IN CONTEXT”
Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.Col 2:4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.As in context we see that we are not to follow after the traditions of men!!! That is a clear warning.
Col 2:14-16
Blotting out the legal documents of state laws (dogma), that was against us which was contrary to us and took it out of the way fastened it to the cross (a symbol of punishment to the death). Put off the “power by rank” and “their special privelages”, He (Y'shua) made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.1 Cor 5:8Paul says “Therefore let us keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickendess (twisting truth with lies), but the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Why did the deciples keep the Feasts continually many years past Y'shua's death and resurection? Because they were following the commands of YHWH.
Do not let “man” judge you in meat or in drink or because you keep the times and seasons YHWH made back in Genesis.
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:If we were not to keep His Set-apart seasons on His appointed days, there would be no need for the sun and moon and stars today!!!
“CONTEXT”
Ken,
“Dividing YHWH's Sabbath days” is like ripping the flesh from Y'shua body!!!! Your philosophy is no better here than the Sun-day worshiper who divides the days of the week, making Sun-day more important than the Sabbath. Who are you to say one Sabbath is more than another, when YHWH made them all.
a love pat,
LaurelQuote (Laurel @ Sep. 15 2007,05:55) Ken,
“Dividing YHWH's Sabbath days” is like ripping the flesh from Y'shua body!!!! Your philosophy is no better here than the Sun-day worshiper who divides the days of the week, making Sun-day more important than the Sabbath. Who are you to say one Sabbath is more than another, when YHWH made them all.
a love pat,
Laurel
Laurel did God write the laws you say we “have ” to keep?You yourself admit that there is a separation of the Law, didn't you?
The sabbaths and feasts that go with those Sabbaths are reminders of sin that we have been for given of.
Paul kept the Jewish laws to Preach the gospel!
1Co 9:20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.
Now if one wants to gather on these “feasts” days and worship God then Paul says so be it but be convinced in your own mind.
WHAT does keeping the feasts days prove….That Jesus is the Messiah! That HE is the Lamb of God that was prophesied to come. The SPIRIT bears witness to all these things that the feasts did in the OLD COVENANT.
They are fulfilled! The Spirit of God dwells in us! We don't need to be reminded that we are sinners! The Spirit does that, the Spirit encourages us to repent and we are forgiven “on the spot” we don't have to “wait a year” for a feast!
The Law of Moses is GONE! Faded away! we are under a new covenant.
This is why God wrote the Ten Commandments and NOT the law that was “added”. This is why the law God wrote was placed INSIDE the ark and NOT outside the ark as Moses' law was.
Jeepers I'm trying to get people to understand that they have to keep the Commandments. You are confusing them by saying that they Have to keep law that was done away with Nailed to the cross.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.ALL those ordinances And holy days, food, drink, and “annual” Sabbaths were a shadow of things to come “BUT THE BODY IS OF CHRIST” Period!
The Old Covenant was fleshly…physical.
The New Covenant is “spiritual” because we have received the Holy Spirit.Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
All the physical feasts and Moses' law are of the Old Covenant that the Pharisees taught.
We of the Spirit are to “exceed” the righteousness of the law of Moses.
The law of God…God wrote. He didn't give Moses law to write because HE got writers cramp! The law Moses wrote was NOT placed in the ark BECAUSE it was going to FADE, be fulfilled.
Peace,
Ken
Lev 23:1 And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of YHWH, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are My feasts.“FEASTS”
H4150
מועדה מעד מועד
mô‛êd mô‛êd mô‛âdâh
mo-ade', mo-ade', mo-aw-daw'
From H3259; properly an appointment, that is, a fixed time or season; specifically a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting; also a signal (as appointed beforehand): – appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn (-ity), synagogue, (set) time (appointed).Now back to Genesis:
Gen 1:14 And God430 said,559 Let there be1961 lights3974 in the firmament7549 of the heaven8064 to divide914, 996 the day3117 from996 the night;3915 and let them be1961 for signs,226 and for seasons,4150 and for days,3117 and years:8141Notice I used the Strong's Concordance here with those annoying numbers. But LOOK at the number next to the Word “seasons”. The Word seasons here in context is the same as FEASTS (4150)
The sun and moon and stars were created so we would know when to celebrate His Feasts. They are a part of His original plan for our salvation, and Y'shua Messiah IS the fulfillment of them, giving full meaning and understanding to those who kee them.
Quote (Laurel @ Sep. 15 2007,07:35) The sun and moon and stars were created so we would know when to celebrate His Feasts. They are a part of His original plan for our salvation, and Y'shua Messiah IS the fulfillment of them, giving full meaning and understanding to those who kee them.
Ah…………….interesting indeed.As someone who loves to look up at the stars on a clear, summer night – I find this information very insightful!
Thanks sister!
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