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in case anyone is interested…..> tonight starts Rosh Hashanah, the blowing of trumpets.
peace to all……genekenrch
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The scriptures can't be any plainer or clearer. NO! YOU choose to NOT see! You choose to disobey! You choose to live by the flesh and the Harlot! Right WJ?Mandy is so desparate that she will listen to “ANYBODY” (even WJ!) with a twisted out of context “EXCUSE” as to why she can still do her thing encluding Christmas and Easter.
I hope you have plenty of white out! That's a lot of clear, straight forward, can't be easier to understand scripture to white out of the Word of God.
My advise is to stay away from the above scriptures as you walk down the wide path.
Mandy is not a Trinitarian and has made it plain that she is not.
Therefore you tryng to link her to me (who you and many say I am of the harlot system), is wrong.
Just because she dosnt agree with you and agrees more along what I believe gives you no right to judge her this way.
I respect people like Mandy and kejonn who stand by what they believe to be the truth no matter what side of the fence it falls. Trinitarian, Sabbatarians, Henotheist, Unitarians, JWS Etc.
I have seen so many without any guts to point out obvious error because they are on the same side of the fence.
On the other hand, you see certain ones afraid to encourage someone who has made what they believe as a good and truthfull post simply because they dont want people to think they are associated with them.
But pointing out error is not the same as judging ones heart and motives for teaching and believing what they believe.
God knoweth our hearts and is greater than our hearts.
Its not at all fruitfull to judge and condemn the heart of a believer because they dont agree with you.
Disagreeing with someone on doctrine and pointing out error is totally different than judging and condemning the heart of a professing believer.
Further more your post still gives no clear teaching by Yeshua or any of the Apostles teaching the litteral, physical keeping of the sabbath.
In fact again, the scriptural evidence leans toward the keeping of the sabbath as a spiritual law fulfilled in Christ.
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Quote Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
The context of the first scripture is…
Rom 3:
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.Rom 7:14
For we know that the *law is spiritual*: but I am carnal, sold under sin.Jesus gave us the New Commandment…
Jn 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
This commandment is more important than the keeping of the litteral 7th day sabbath, for it is a higher law that brings fulfillment to all others.You want to keep the litteral sabbath more power to you. It has been said no one will judge you for that.
But the NT scriptures do not teach such as a requirement for believers in Christ.
1 Jn 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 13 2007,00:06) in case anyone is interested…..> tonight starts Rosh Hashanah, the blowing of trumpets.
peace to all……gene
Just heard this yesterday Gene, this guy spoke about this Jewish holiday but also says it should be a Christian holiday.http://www.borntowin.net/radioprograms/christian_holidays_11.mp3
I love this guy's teaching.
Keyonn Why is it that nobody seems to understand the Covenant. We are not under the Covenant that God gave to Moses. And therefore we do not keep the Holidays anymore, they have been fulfilled in Christ. My suggestion is to you to make a study on the covenant.
Love you Brother that is what I believe.Peace and Love Mrs.
TO ALL:
It saddens me that HIS children have decided NOT to spend time with their Father on His Day. His children look for excuses NOT to spend with their Father who they “LOVE”.
Mandy do you really think I'm concerned with heavet net OR what disobedient children think! You will NEVER let Christmas and Easter go and will never accept the Sabbath. Instead of being taught by the word you and others look for an excuse to NOT follow scripture.
NO BIG DEAL that's right the Sabbath is easy IF YOU LOVE GOD if not you look for excuses NOT to keep HIS Day. The whole time thinking you are doing YOUR will but you have NO will ONLY a choice God's way OR Satan's way of the WORLD.
You want me off heaven net Mandy SORRY but that's NOT your choice. Am I to be kicked off heaven net for sharing the truth EVEN if the trurth hurts those who cannot stand light but run and hide looking for excuses.
Have I pulled scripture out of context? PLEASE show me.
Have I twisted scripture? Please show me?WHAT are you people going to do with ALL those scriptures that say Keep His Commandments.
How many commandments are their ask a babe so he can instruct you!
Deu 10:4 And he wrote on the tablets, in the same writing as before, the Ten Commandments that the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain out of the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly. And the LORD gave them to me.Mar 7:6 And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, “'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
Mar 7:7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'My spirit is grieved for my Father and His Son that He gave so people would choose NOT to LOVE HIM.
OH yes you Love HIM with your lips BUT YOU HAVE NO FRUIT!
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Scripture says this NOT KEN!
If I am kicked off heaven net for sharing scrpture that does it's job by sheding light on those who “RUN” FROM THE TRUTH then who am I to follow? Just as crowds of people stoned and kicked the apostles out of town for sharing the truth will heaven net do the same?
We will see,
Ken
Quote (IM4Truth @ Sep. 14 2007,01:52) Keyonn Why is it that nobody seems to understand the Covenant. We are not under the Covenant that God gave to Moses. And therefore we do not keep the Holidays anymore, they have been fulfilled in Christ. My suggestion is to you to make a study on the covenant.
Love you Brother that is what I believe.Peace and Love Mrs.
Mrs – good morning!Do you think the reason no one understands is because when Moses is read the veil remains? In other words, when one believes the Law and wants to follow the letter……they are covered by the veil that that administration brings? When you come into the light of truth (the new covenant given to us for freedom), then you are FREE.
The truth will set you free, conversely, so to speak; Moses will bring death and bondage?
Quote (IM4Truth @ Sep. 13 2007,08:52) Keyonn Why is it that nobody seems to understand the Covenant. We are not under the Covenant that God gave to Moses. And therefore we do not keep the Holidays anymore, they have been fulfilled in Christ. My suggestion is to you to make a study on the covenant.
Love you Brother that is what I believe.Peace and Love Mrs.
Hi Mrs.,Did you happen to listen to some of the MP3 I linked? The festival of trumpets is a celebration of deliverence and judgement. Do you know that a trumpet will sound when Yeshua returns according to Revelation? So there is a connection.
Just learning!
Keyonn Yes I do know, we used to keep all the Feasts in the World Wide Church of God, the Feast of Trumpet is what you said and so is the Feast of Tabernacle. It represents the millenium. So are we therefore to keep all? If you want to you can, but if you want to go back to that covenant that God made with Israel, you have to keep the whole Law.
We are not under that Law, which I already explained. There are many more Churches that came out of the World Wide Church of God that keep all of the Feasts.
As far as I am concerned tho I rather be under grace in Christ Jesus then be under the O.T. Law. Each of us has to be convinced in our own minds. You have to prove to yourself. I have and that is were I am, and want to share my understanding with others. But it is up to you to prove to yourself.Peace and Love Mrs.:D
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 13 2007,18:23) kenrch You say…
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The scriptures can't be any plainer or clearer. NO! YOU choose to NOT see! You choose to disobey! You choose to live by the flesh and the Harlot! Right WJ?Mandy is so desparate that she will listen to “ANYBODY” (even WJ!) with a twisted out of context “EXCUSE” as to why she can still do her thing encluding Christmas and Easter.
I hope you have plenty of white out! That's a lot of clear, straight forward, can't be easier to understand scripture to white out of the Word of God.
My advise is to stay away from the above scriptures as you walk down the wide path.
Mandy is not a Trinitarian and has made it plain that she is not.
Therefore you tryng to link her to me (who you and many say I am of the harlot system), is wrong.
Just because she dosnt agree with you and agrees more along what I believe gives you no right to judge her this way.
I respect people like Mandy and kejonn who stand by what they believe to be the truth no matter what side of the fence it falls. Trinitarian, Sabbatarians, Henotheist, Unitarians, JWS Etc.
I have seen so many without any guts to point out obvious error because they are on the same side of the fence.
On the other hand, you see certain ones afraid to encourage someone who has made what they believe as a good and truthfull post simply because they dont want people to think they are associated with them.
But pointing out error is not the same as judging ones heart and motives for teaching and believing what they believe.
God knoweth our hearts and is greater than our hearts.
Its not at all fruitfull to judge and condemn the heart of a believer because they dont agree with you.
Disagreeing with someone on doctrine and pointing out error is totally different than judging and condemning the heart of a professing believer.
Further more your post still gives no clear teaching by Yeshua or any of the Apostles teaching the litteral, physical keeping of the sabbath.
In fact again, the scriptural evidence leans toward the keeping of the sabbath as a spiritual law fulfilled in Christ.
You quote…
Quote Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
The context of the first scripture is…
Rom 3:
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.Rom 7:14
For we know that the *law is spiritual*: but I am carnal, sold under sin.Jesus gave us the New Commandment…
Jn 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
This commandment is more important than the keeping of the litteral 7th day sabbath, for it is a higher law that brings fulfillment to all others.You want to keep the litteral sabbath more power to you. It has been said no one will judge you for that.
But the NT scriptures do not teach such as a requirement for believers in Christ.
1 Jn 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
You are my point WJ, Mandy will agree “with anyone” who will agree with her as long as it is in her doctrine. She may not agree with the trinity but she is right beside you in the same boat.What are you going to do WJ with the scriptures that say to keep God's commandments?
Those scriptures are plain, and clear.
No WJ I see people like you who reject scripture!
Plain direct, clear, straight forward scripture that in no way can be pulled out of context OR twisted.Lets just take my favorite because is shows the fruit of the LOVE we have for God.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
What commandments WJ?
Explain this scripture, twist it, pull it out of context like you do the rest!
What is the LOVE of God? LIP SERVICE is that your answer, it should be!
Mar 7:6 And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, “'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
Mar 7:7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' HUMMM Does Christmas AND Easter fit doctrines of men?Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.These are worldly things that the people of God should have NOTHING to do with. UNLESS you are in the WORLD and a bit of a PARTY person.
1Jo 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
You say you know HIM but you break HIS Commandments!
You say you know Him don't you? You refuse to keep His Commandments don't you? Well?
And MRS, poor soul is blind. The two greatest commandments “on those two commandments hang the rest of the law.
If you love God then you will WANT to keep the first four commandments.
If you love your neighbor as yourself then you WANT to keep the last six.
So MRS you don't keep “Love the Lord your God with all you heart and soul and mind” because you break the forth commandment.
Mat 19:17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandm
ents.”Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
HOW PLAIN CAN IT BE!
Mandy won't let go of the world. Mrs is confused because of the WWCG. And WJ just follows the Harlot is their any wonder why WJ will reject God's Sabbath? He keeps the Harlot's day the First day of the week. Actually “Any Day” but the Sabbath is the harlot's day because it is NOT God's day.
FEW are chosen, Narrow is the path but WIDE is the path you have chosen it is full of worldly fleshly conterfit “Christians”.
Because you reject scripture you judge yourselves.
Ken
kenrch
So since we are all on the wide road that leads to destruction because we dont keep “Your Commandments” then we are all going to hell right? In fact because we dont physically observe the 7th day Sabbath (according to Ken) then we dont even know God, right?. We are all followers of satan. Right?
This is a pitifull testimony to the world of what Christianity is all about!
Mandy Yes I think you are right. God is blinding them. That is rather sad when you look at it that way. All one can do for such is pray, and that is what I am going to do, rather then posting back. Also their mind is so closed that nothing else will enter in. My Husband and I have always searched for the truth since we left the Cath. Church and started to read the Bible since 1984. We can't stand still we have to keep on learning, because each time we read the word of God, God will reveal some new truths to us. Have noticed that even tho I might even of read a passage and read it again, I have to say, O' I did not see that before. Find that kind of amazing. I think God does not reveal the truth to you all at once. That is what I believe. What do you think about that?
Peace and Love Mrs.:D
Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 14 2007,03:49) Quote (IM4Truth @ Sep. 14 2007,01:52) Keyonn Why is it that nobody seems to understand the Covenant. We are not under the Covenant that God gave to Moses. And therefore we do not keep the Holidays anymore, they have been fulfilled in Christ. My suggestion is to you to make a study on the covenant.
Love you Brother that is what I believe.Peace and Love Mrs.
Mrs – good morning!Do you think the reason no one understands is because when Moses is read the veil remains? In other words, when one believes the Law and wants to follow the letter……they are covered by the veil that that administration brings? When you come into the light of truth (the new covenant given to us for freedom), then you are FREE.
The truth will set you free, conversely, so to speak; Moses will bring death and bondage?
Bingo!!Here's my winner for today
Mandy!!Men please don't over look Mandy in these words
Also…. they enter not their rest of the seventh day, as God rested, form Unbelief, And Christ did not give them rest, for it found in the followers of King David’s cov, Moses Laws are have retired, from the set up the throne, Selah for ever and ever
Quote (IM4Truth @ Sep. 14 2007,12:07) All one can do for such is pray, and that is what I am going to do, rather then posting back.
Mrs,This is exactly what I am choosing to do. Join me in bringing peace by simply not fueling the fire! When certain ones have no one to talk to – they are ultimately isolating themselves from fellowship which is terribly sad.
Mandy Thank you for joining me, I should have taken that advice from my Husband long ago. I am sometimes stubborn like a mule. So I have to pay the consequences. But eventually I do learn. At least the Ladies on this Web are united in Christ, for that I am thankful for. Some Gentlemen too.
Peace and Love Mrs.
I just had a vision – of those of us who want to be united (whether we hold the same doctrine or not), all in a circle holding hands, praising our Father in heaven! Oh, what a sight! Oh, what a sound! Pleasing to him who sits on the throne, I'm sure.
One thing we all agree on and that is our Father is in heaven! Let's celebrate that – let's celebrate Him and give grateful hearts in praise for his Son, Jesus our Lord. All other truths will come to us (including the Sabbath) if we seek him first. May Christ increase as we decrease!
The weekend is upon us – what ever day you set aside for rest in the LORD, may you be blessed.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Sep. 14 2007,12:07) I think God does not reveal the truth to you all at once. That is what I believe. What do you think about that?
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly! You know we are God's children, and each child learns differently and at a different pace. Just like we know our children and what they can handle – God knows us and what we can handle. I have to always remember that even our faith is a gift from God.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 13 2007,18:23) Its not at all fruitfull to judge and condemn the heart of a believer because they dont agree with you.
WJ,
Wise, wise words!This scripture always comes to mind when I see a brother or a sister judging one another:
Galations 14:4
Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 14 2007,09:57) kenrch So since we are all on the wide road that leads to destruction because we dont keep “Your Commandments” then we are all going to hell right? In fact because we dont physically observe the 7th day Sabbath (according to Ken) then we dont even know God, right?. We are all followers of satan. Right?
This is a pitifull testimony to the world of what Christianity is all about!
My Commandments?
No answers to questions Like 1John5:3!
No WJ it is YOUR commandment to break HIS commandment.
Whatever WJ you are not worth the time! You are jusy another of many followers of the Whore.
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