Root and branch

[abe]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2013,17:14)

Quote (abe @ April 08 2013,11:00) 16For verily not of angels doth he take hold, but he taketh hold of the      SEED    of Abraham. Hebrews 2:16 NRSV © For it is clear that he did not come to help angels, but the descendants of Abraham.

Hi Mike,

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Strong'sTransliterationGreekEnglishMorphology
3756 [e]ouοὐnotAdv
1063 [e]garγὰρtrulyConj
1211 [e]dēδή ͜indeedPrtcl
4226 [e]pouπουsomewhereAdv
32 [e]angelōnἀγγέλωνof angelsN-GMP
1949 [e]epilambanetaiἐπιλαμβάνεταιhe helps,V-PIM/P-3S
235 [e]allaἀλλὰbutConj
4690 [e]spermatosσπέρματοςof [the] seedN-GNS
11 [e]AbraamἈβραὰμof AbrahamN
1949 [e]epilambanetaiἐπιλαμβάνεταιhe helps.V-PIM/P-3S

4690 [e]spermatosσπέρματοςof [the] seedN-GNS

Peace brother.

[mikeboll64]

That's right, Abe. Read your own post. It say Jesus did not come to help angels, but to help the seed (descendants) of Abraham.

Do you think this is saying Jesus has children? If so, I cannot see it.

[mikeboll64]

Kerwin?

[abe]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2013,16:47)

That's right, Abe.  Read your own post.  It say Jesus did not come to help angels, but to help the seed (descendants) of Abraham. Do you think this is saying Jesus has children?  If so, I cannot see it.

Hi Mike,

Root and the branch.
(Christ) (Jesus)

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Do you think this is saying Jesus has children?  If so, I cannot see it.

Thats another topic.

Peace brother.

[mikeboll64]

Why then did you post this scripture to me in the middle of a discussion about whether or not Jesus has children?

Tell me the reason you posted that particular scripture, and how it relates to the topic at hand.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 11 2013,06:52)

Kerwin?

Mike,

I am following the conversation though I have not been motivated to post anything lately.

[abe]

Quote (abe @ April 08 2013,09:00)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 04 2013,17:51) Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2013,12:32) Quote (kerwin @ April 02 2013,12:12) To all, Isaiah 53:10 King James Version (KJV) 10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. Mike, Jesus sees his seed. Jesus has no seed of the flesh to see.  Jesus does have seed of the spirit that do the works he does. It's hard to argue with that scripture, Kerwin.  The passage is most definitely about God's servant, Jesus Christ. But Jesus will also SOMEDAY have a wife, right?  (Rev 21)  In God's righteous ways, a man first takes a bride, and THEN come the children. If the bride has not yet been prepared for the Lamb, then how can he already have the children? So I believe you have scripturally shown that Jesus WILL someday have children…… but he doesn't have them yet. Hi Mike, Heb.2:9   But we behold him who hath been made a little lower than the angels, even     Jesus,      because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honour, that by the grace of God he should taste death for every man. 10For it became him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the author of their salvation   perfect   through sufferings. 11For both he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are all   of one:   for which cause he is not ashamed to call them   brethren, 12saying, I will declare thy name unto my  brethren,  In the midst of the congregation will I sing thy praise. 13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold, I and the children which God hath   given    me. Heb.2:14   Since then the children are sharers in flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner partook of the same; that through death he might bring to nought him that had the power of death, that is, the devil 15 and might deliver all them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16For verily not of angels doth he take hold, but he taketh hold of the      SEED    of Abraham. 17Wherefore it behoved him in all things to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. but he taketh hold of the      SEED    of Abraham. Peace brother.

Hi Mike,

Isaiah 53:10
King James Version (KJV)

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days,

Heb.2:9   But we behold him who hath been MADE a little lower than the angels, even     Jesus,      because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honour, that by the grace of God he should taste death for every man.

10For it became him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons UNTO glory, to make the author of their salvation   perfect   through sufferings.

11For both he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are all   of one:   for which cause he is not ashamed to call them   brethren,
12saying, I will declare thy name unto my  brethren,  In the midst of the congregation will I sing thy praise.
13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold, I and the children which God hath   given    me.
Heb.2:14   Since then the children are sharers in flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner partook of the same; that through death he might bring to nought him that had the power of death, that is, the devil
15 and might deliver all them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16For verily not of angels doth he take hold, but he taketh hold of the      SEED    of Abraham.

17Wherefore it behoved him in all things to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
18For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour (help) them that are tempted.

Heb.2:9   But we behold him who hath been MADE a little lower than the angels, even     Jesus,(branch)

16For verily not of angels doth he take hold, but he taketh hold of the      SEED    of Abraham.(root)

in bringing many sons UNTO glory,

Peace brother..

[mikeboll64]

Abe,

I don't ever know what point you're making with the scriptures you post. Sure, I see where you space out one word from the others here and there – but that still doesn't tell me what you think that word (or scripture) is teaching, or how it applies to this discussion.

Unless you actually say something in your own words, like, Mike, see where this scripture says so and so? Well, I believe it means so and so……….., I will probably never know what you mean.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ April 10 2013,20:05)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 11 2013,06:52) Kerwin? Mike, I am following the conversation though I have not been motivated to post anything lately.

Okay. I thought you might have had something to say about my last two or three posts to you a couple of pages ago.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2013,14:06)

Quote (kerwin @ April 10 2013,20:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 11 2013,06:52) Kerwin? Mike, I am following the conversation though I have not been motivated to post anything lately. Okay.  I thought you might have had something to say about my last two or three posts to you a couple of pages ago.

Mike,

I often mediate on things and let God lead me as he will.

[terraricca]

Quote (abe @ April 10 2013,08:22)

Quote (terraricca @ April 09 2013,18:11) Quote (abe @ April 09 2013,07:47) Quote (terraricca @ April 08 2013,17:42) Quote (abe @ April 08 2013,12:28) Quote (terraricca @ April 07 2013,15:37) ABE Quote Gal.3:26   For you are   all    sons     of God through faith in Christ Jesus. Jn.1:12   But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become   children   of God, even to those who believe in His name, Rom.8:14   For those who are  led  by the Spirit of God are the   children   of God. 1Jn.3:10   This is how we know who the   children   of God are and who the children of the   devil   are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God's child, nor is anyone who does not   love   their brother and sister.   Peace brother.. THIS IS ONLY A BEGINNING Hi T, (quote) THIS IS ONLY A BEGINNING I dont understand? Peace brother. abe read those scriptures that you quoted ,one by one , like a 6 year old kid, and ask yourself what does it say,what it mean ,what it does not say ,at the end of your reading ask yourself ,what should I do to please God and see if you can answer that question and give me the answer Hi T, (quote) THIS IS ONLY A BEGINNING Beginning of what? abe the beginning of the true lay out of understanding Hi T, Scripture please?

abe

the scriptures you ask are in the entire bible ,to much to copy and paste

[barley]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,15:00)

Jesus is said to be both the Root AND the Branch of David.  Here's are the scriptures: Isaiah 11:10 NIV In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious. Romans 15:12 NIV And again, Isaiah says, “The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; the Gentiles will hope in him.” Revelation 5:5 NIV Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.” Revelation 22:16 NIV “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” What does this mean?  We know Jesus is the Branch, or “offspring” of David according to the flesh, but in what sense is Jesus the Root of David or Jesse (David's father)? Doesn't this clearly imply that Jesus was before David? peace and love, mike

Mike,

Not at all.

Although it is possible, it does not fit with other scriptures such as I Peter 1:20  Jesus Christ was foreknown.

” Who verily was foreordained [proginosko – foreknown]  before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,”

This one verse alone eliminates any real possibility that Jesus pre existed as a living entity.

God foreknew Jesus Christ

[mikeboll64]

Quote (barley @ May 10 2013,12:11)

God foreknew Jesus Christ

Or, we could re-word your statement this way:

Jesus was known by the Father BEFORE (foreknown=”known before”), but he has been manifested in these last days for our sake – so we too can know him.

What do you think about that understanding, oatmeal?

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