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Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,00:49) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2013,23:09) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2013,11:12) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,12:51) K Does Christ as children
Scriptures says he as brothers ,right
T,Hebrews 2:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
KHeb 2:11 Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.
Heb 2:12 He says,
“I will declare your name to my brothers;
in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.”
Heb 2:13 And again,
“I will put my trust in him.”And again he says,
“Here am I, and the children God has given me.”
Heb 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—what it means because we know that Brothers and children are allegorical names for the real message ,right
T,John 8:39
King James Version (KJV)39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does. The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.
Kso children or brother ,means the same thing to you
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2013,12:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2013,22:33)
1. Was Paul saying the love of money, as the “ROOT”, came BEFORE all kinds of evil? YES or NO?2. In Alex Haley's best selling novel “Roots”, did the author research his ANCESTORS? Or his DESCENDANTS? Which of these two did he refer to as his “ROOTS”?
Mike,To me your questions are taking side tracts that divert from a true understanding.
That response is unacceptable, Kerwin. The truth of the matter is that in BOTH cases, the word “root” is used to describe WHAT CAME FIRST. It is also the same case in Rev 22:16.You KNOW this to be the case, and so childishly refuse to answer the questions.
That is sad, Kerwin. You claim to be a student, but are apparently only willing to learn things that you WANT to learn.
I'll leave Kathi to navigate your unrelated rabbit trails to nowhere. I have no interest in these kinds of games.
Your non-answer gave me the only answer I needed.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2013,17:37) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,00:49)
Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does. The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.
Kso children or brother ,means the same thing to you
I was wondering the same thing, Pierre.Jesus doesn't have any children of his own, that I know about.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,05:37) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,00:49) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2013,23:09) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2013,11:12) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,12:51) K Does Christ as children
Scriptures says he as brothers ,right
T,Hebrews 2:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
KHeb 2:11 Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.
Heb 2:12 He says,
“I will declare your name to my brothers;
in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.”
Heb 2:13 And again,
“I will put my trust in him.”And again he says,
“Here am I, and the children God has given me.”
Heb 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—what it means because we know that Brothers and children are allegorical names for the real message ,right
T,John 8:39
King James Version (KJV)39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does. The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.
Kso children or brother ,means the same thing to you
T,Scripture has a reason to use children when it does and brother when it does. I already illustrated a difference in my previous answer.
A man and his root are both sons of God and so they are brothers. They are also children in Christ as born in his name.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,12:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,05:37) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,00:49) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2013,23:09) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2013,11:12) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,12:51) K Does Christ as children
Scriptures says he as brothers ,right
T,Hebrews 2:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
KHeb 2:11 Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.
Heb 2:12 He says,
“I will declare your name to my brothers;
in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.”
Heb 2:13 And again,
“I will put my trust in him.”And again he says,
“Here am I, and the children God has given me.”
Heb 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—what it means because we know that Brothers and children are allegorical names for the real message ,right
T,John 8:39
King James Version (KJV)39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does. The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.
Kso children or brother ,means the same thing to you
T,Scripture has a reason to use children when it does and brother when it does. I already illustrated a difference in my previous answer.
A man and his root are both sons of God and so they are brothers. They are also children in Christ as born in his name.
KerwinThis his your opinion,so could you show same scriptures ,because you show that children and brothers are the same thing ,
I have seen your scripture but that scripture only states children ,not brothers ,
So you said in your opinion that they are both the same ,right
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2013,17:05) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2013,17:37) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,00:49)
Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does. The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.
Kso children or brother ,means the same thing to you
I was wondering the same thing, Pierre.Jesus doesn't have any children of his own, that I know about.
I don't think you can be a child and brother of another.And because we are children of God and Jesus calls us brothers, it is clear where Jesus is in relation to God.
More proof that Jesus is not the Most High God to anyone willing to see that.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 31 2013,15:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2013,17:05) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2013,17:37) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,00:49)
Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does. The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.
Kso children or brother ,means the same thing to you
I was wondering the same thing, Pierre.Jesus doesn't have any children of his own, that I know about.
I don't think you can be a child and brother of another.And because we are children of God and Jesus calls us brothers, it is clear where Jesus is in relation to God.
More proof that Jesus is not the Most High God to anyone willing to see that.
T8,Scripture states we are Jesus' children as well as his brothers.
Hebrews 2:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Quote
T,John 8:39
King James Version (KJV)39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does. The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,12:46) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,12:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,05:37) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,00:49) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2013,23:09) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2013,11:12) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,12:51) K Does Christ as children
Scriptures says he as brothers ,right
T,Hebrews 2:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
KHeb 2:11 Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.
Heb 2:12 He says,
“I will declare your name to my brothers;
in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.”
Heb 2:13 And again,
“I will put my trust in him.”And again he says,
“Here am I, and the children God has given me.”
Heb 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—what it means because we know that Brothers and children are allegorical names for the real message ,right
T,John 8:39
King James Version (KJV)39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does. The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.
Kso children or brother ,means the same thing to you
T,Scripture has a reason to use children when it does and brother when it does. I already illustrated a difference in my previous answer.
A man and his root are both sons of God and so they are brothers. They are also children in Christ as born in his name.
KerwinThis his your opinion,so could you show same scriptures ,because you show that children and brothers are the same thing ,
I have seen your scripture but that scripture only states children ,not brothers ,
So you said in your opinion that they are both the same ,right
T,I have been quoting the Scriptural support the whole time. You, yourself quoted Hebrews 2:11 which states:
Quote Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family Jesus, the father of the family, is the one that makes men holy. The believers, who are his children, are they who he makes holy.
Quote … are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. Both the father and the children are of the family of Jehovah and so sons of Jehovah and brothers.
Children emphasized our being made holy by Jesus while brother emphasizes our being roughly of the same level as Jesus in Jehovah's sight.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2013,09:03) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2013,12:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2013,22:33)
1. Was Paul saying the love of money, as the “ROOT”, came BEFORE all kinds of evil? YES or NO?2. In Alex Haley's best selling novel “Roots”, did the author research his ANCESTORS? Or his DESCENDANTS? Which of these two did he refer to as his “ROOTS”?
Mike,To me your questions are taking side tracts that divert from a true understanding.
That response is unacceptable, Kerwin. The truth of the matter is that in BOTH cases, the word “root” is used to describe WHAT CAME FIRST. It is also the same case in Rev 22:16.You KNOW this to be the case, and so childishly refuse to answer the questions.
That is sad, Kerwin. You claim to be a student, but are apparently only willing to learn things that you WANT to learn.
I'll leave Kathi to navigate your unrelated rabbit trails to nowhere. I have no interest in these kinds of games.
Your non-answer gave me the only answer I needed.
Mike,You choose to avoid the issue by chasing red herrings that have little or nothing to do with the main topic. As I clearly pointed out Jesus is not sin. The context of your use of root is therefore obviously a red herring.
A man can be both a root and a branch in a family tree because he can be both a father and a child of the family. The fact a man is a root of his family does not mean he preexists his family.
Jesse is Jesus' family. Both you and I know that. We also know Jesus did not have children of the flesh. I am pointing out that Jesus does have children of the Spirit.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,22:50) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,12:46) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,12:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,05:37) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,00:49) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2013,23:09) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2013,11:12) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,12:51) K Does Christ as children
Scriptures says he as brothers ,right
T,Hebrews 2:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
KHeb 2:11 Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.
Heb 2:12 He says,
“I will declare your name to my brothers;
in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.”
Heb 2:13 And again,
“I will put my trust in him.”And again he says,
“Here am I, and the children God has given me.”
Heb 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—what it means because we know that Brothers and children are allegorical names for the real message ,right
T,John 8:39
King James Version (KJV)39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does. The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.
Kso children or brother ,means the same thing to you
T,Scripture has a reason to use children when it does and brother when it does. I already illustrated a difference in my previous answer.
A man and his root are both sons of God and so they are brothers. They are also children in Christ as born in his name.
KerwinThis his your opinion,so could you show same scriptures ,because you show that children and brothers are the same thing ,
I have seen your scripture but that scripture only states children ,not brothers ,
So you said in your opinion that they are both the same ,right
T,I have been quoting the Scriptural support the whole time. You, yourself quoted Hebrews 2:11 which states:
Quote Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family Jesus, the father of the family, is the one that makes men holy. The believers, who are his children, are they who he makes holy.
Quote … are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. Both the father and the children are of the family of Jehovah and so sons of Jehovah and brothers.
Children emphasized our being made holy by Jesus while brother emphasizes our being roughly of the same level as Jesus in Jehovah's sight.
KERWINQuote I have been quoting the Scriptural support the whole time. You, yourself quoted Hebrews 2:11 which states: who's is the “I” in those verses you quote
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,10:25) T8, Scripture states we are Jesus' children as well as his brothers.
Hebrews 2:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Jesus refers to the children OF GOD that God gave to him out of this world:John 17:6
I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.Your scripture does not say these children of God who were given to Jesus out of the world became the CHILDREN of Jesus.
As t8 aptly pointed out, one cannot be both a brother and a child to the same person. We are to be BROTHERS of Christ, and SONS of God. Not brothers to God, nor sons to Jesus.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,23:39) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,22:50) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,12:46) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,12:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,05:37) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,00:49) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2013,23:09) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2013,11:12) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,12:51) K Does Christ as children
Scriptures says he as brothers ,right
T,Hebrews 2:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
KHeb 2:11 Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.
Heb 2:12 He says,
“I will declare your name to my brothers;
in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.”
Heb 2:13 And again,
“I will put my trust in him.”And again he says,
“Here am I, and the children God has given me.”
Heb 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—what it means because we know that Brothers and children are allegorical names for the real message ,right
T,John 8:39
King James Version (KJV)39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does. The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.
Kso children or brother ,means the same thing to you
T,Scripture has a reason to use children when it does and brother when it does. I already illustrated a difference in my previous answer.
A man and his root are both sons of God and so they are brothers. They are also children in Christ as born in his name.
KerwinThis his your opinion,so could you show same scriptures ,because you show that children and brothers are the same thing ,
I have seen your scripture but that scripture only states children ,not brothers ,
So you said in your opinion that they are both the same ,right
T,I have been quoting the Scriptural support the whole time. You, yourself quoted Hebrews 2:11 which states:
Quote Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family Jesus, the father of the family, is the one that makes men holy. The believers, who are his children, are they who he makes holy.
Quote … are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. Both the father and the children are of the family of Jehovah and so sons of Jehovah and brothers.
Children emphasized our being made holy by Jesus while brother emphasizes our being roughly of the same level as Jesus in Jehovah's sight.
KERWINQuote I have been quoting the Scriptural support the whole time. You, yourself quoted Hebrews 2:11 which states: who's is the “I” in those verses you quote
T,Your words are distracting from the line of inquirer. I, kerwin, have done some quoting; you , terraricca, have done some quoting. The quoting is part of the conversation of how believers are both the children and brothers of Jesus. That conversation is derived from the discussion of Jesus being both a branch and a root of Jesse.
Let us return to the conversation of how believers are both children and brethren of Jesus and why Scripture chooses to use those words.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,11:07) A man can be both a root and a branch in a family tree because he can be both a father and a child of the family.
Do you hear that, Kathi? Kerwin indeed understands the simple concept that the “root” is the “father”, while the “branch” represents the “child”.So he DOES understand it, but will continue to PRETEND he doesn't understand what Jesus meant in Rev 22:16. Silliness if you ask me.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,11:07) The fact a man is a root of his family does not mean he preexists his family.
Really? Then show me ANY example from the history of mankind where the “root OF” someone actually came AFTER that someone.For example, am I the “root OF” my own father? YES or NO?
Was David the “root OF” his father Jesse? YES or NO?
Kerwin, you have lost this one. Better for you to humbly accept what you've learned than to continue coming off as unintelligent and belligerent.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,00:57) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,10:25) T8, Scripture states we are Jesus' children as well as his brothers.
Hebrews 2:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Jesus refers to the children OF GOD that God gave to him out of this world:John 17:6
I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.Your scripture does not say these children of God who were given to Jesus out of the world became the CHILDREN of Jesus.
As t8 aptly pointed out, one cannot be both a brother and a child to the same person. We are to be BROTHERS of Christ, and SONS of God. Not brothers to God, nor sons to Jesus.
Mike,King James Version (KJV)
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
IS this your understanding
And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and his children which God hath given me.
instead of my understanding which is
And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and my children which God hath given me.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,13:08) instead of my understanding which is And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and my children which God hath given me.
Kerwin,What would you think if David told God, “I will solemnly protect the children of Israel you gave me to look after”?
I don't agree with your understanding of Hebrews 2:13. Perhaps you could show another scripture that supports your understanding of those words. Are there other scriptures that speak of anyone being a “child” of Jesus?
Or perhaps there are scriptures that say a brother of someone can also be that someone's child?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,01:06) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,11:07) A man can be both a root and a branch in a family tree because he can be both a father and a child of the family.
Do you hear that, Kathi? Kerwin indeed understands the simple concept that the “root” is the “father”, while the “branch” represents the “child”.So he DOES understand it, but will continue to PRETEND he doesn't understand what Jesus meant in Rev 22:16. Silliness if you ask me.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,11:07) The fact a man is a root of his family does not mean he preexists his family.
Really? Then show me ANY example from the history of mankind where the “root OF” someone actually came AFTER that someone.For example, am I the “root OF” my own father? YES or NO?
Was David the “root OF” his father Jesse? YES or NO?
Kerwin, you have lost this one. Better for you to humbly accept what you've learned than to continue coming off as unintelligent and belligerent.
Mike,I am treating “the root of David” as having a different context that “a root of Jesse”. One is clearly “a” and the other is clearly “the”. They may be equivalent but that will be revealed in its own time.
You believe Jesus is both a root and branch of Jesse himself.
I on the other hand am speaking of the extended family, the clan of Jesse.
David is a root and branch of Jesse.
Clans have many roots that do not preexist the clan. Each root is cast forth in its time by the already existent family tree.
Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2013,01:00) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,23:39) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,22:50) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,12:46) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,12:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 31 2013,05:37) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,00:49) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2013,23:09) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2013,11:12) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2013,12:51) K Does Christ as children
Scriptures says he as brothers ,right
T,Hebrews 2:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
KHeb 2:11 Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.
Heb 2:12 He says,
“I will declare your name to my brothers;
in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.”
Heb 2:13 And again,
“I will put my trust in him.”And again he says,
“Here am I, and the children God has given me.”
Heb 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—what it means because we know that Brothers and children are allegorical names for the real message ,right
T,John 8:39
King James Version (KJV)39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does. The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.
Kso children or brother ,means the same thing to you
T,Scripture has a reason to use children when it does and brother when it does. I already illustrated a difference in my previous answer.
A man and his root are both sons of God and so they are brothers. They are also children in Christ as born in his name.
KerwinThis his your opinion,so could you show same scriptures ,because you show that children and brothers are the same thing ,
I have seen your scripture but that scripture only states children ,not brothers ,
So you said in your opinion that they are both the same ,right
T,I have been quoting the Scriptural support the whole time. You, yourself quoted Hebrews 2:11 which states:
Quote Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family Jesus, the father of the family, is the one that makes men holy. The believers, who are his children, are they who he makes holy.
Quote … are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. Both the father and the children are of the family of Jehovah and so sons of Jehovah and brothers.
Children emphasized our being made holy by Jesus while brother emphasizes our being roughly of the same level as Jesus in Jehovah's sight.
KERWINQuote I have been quoting the Scriptural support the whole time. You, yourself quoted Hebrews 2:11 which states: who's is the “I” in those verses you quote
T,Your words are distracting from the line of inquirer. I, kerwin, have done some quoting; you , terraricca, have done some quoting. The quoting is part of the conversation of how believers are both the children and brothers of Jesus. That conversation is derived from the discussion of Jesus being both a branch and a root of Jesse.
Let us return to the conversation of how believers are both children and brethren of Jesus and why Scripture chooses to use those words.
Kerwinobviously you seem not to see the difference between the children and the brothers ,
and yet they are not the same thing ,
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,14:17) David is a root and branch of Jesse.
Show me in scripture that David is a root of Jesse. In fact, show me from ANY WRITING that a son is the “root OF” his own father.Jesse is the root OF David. This means Jesse existed BEFORE David did.
The love of money is the root OF all kinds of evil. For the purposes of Paul's statement, that means the love of money comes FIRST, and from that love of money stems all kinds of evil.
The roots OF Dr. Alex Haley were his ANCESTORS – not his DESCENDANTS.
Are you beginning to see a pattern, Kerwin?
Of course we know that you already know this pattern. We also know that the only reason you keep PRETENDING not to know this pattern is because you simply don't LIKE the teaching in Rev 22:16.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,08:57) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,10:25) T8, Scripture states we are Jesus' children as well as his brothers.
Hebrews 2:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Jesus refers to the children OF GOD that God gave to him out of this world:John 17:6
I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.Your scripture does not say these children of God who were given to Jesus out of the world became the CHILDREN of Jesus.
As t8 aptly pointed out, one cannot be both a brother and a child to the same person. We are to be BROTHERS of Christ, and SONS of God. Not brothers to God, nor sons to Jesus.
Correct Mike.The children are not children of Jesus. He gave Jesus the children of God and Jesus calls them brothers.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,15:31) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,14:17) David is a root and branch of Jesse.
Show me in scripture that David is a root of Jesse. In fact, show me from ANY WRITING that a son is the “root OF” his own father.Jesse is the root OF David. This means Jesse existed BEFORE David did.
The love of money is the root OF all kinds of evil. For the purposes of Paul's statement, that means the love of money comes FIRST, and from that love of money stems all kinds of evil.
The roots OF Dr. Alex Haley were his ANCESTORS – not his DESCENDENTS.
Are you beginning to see a pattern, Kerwin?
Of course we know that you already know this pattern. We also know that the only reason you keep PRETENDING not to know this pattern is because you simply don't LIKE the teaching in Rev 22:16.
Further, a bad root cannot produce good fruit.
Thus the root and fruit are explained even in that example.
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