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Paul stated that Christ Jesus will bring vengeance upon “those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.” (2 Thess. 1:8, 9)
People will be judged by their response to the good news. What a serious responsibility this places upon God’s servants! In order to avoid bloodguilt, we must not hold back from making known the lifesaving Kingdom message.
ACTS 20:26-27
“Hence I call YOU to witness this very day that I am clean from the blood of all men, for I have not held back from telling YOU all the counsel of God.” (Compare acts 18:6; Ezek 33:8)It is widely acknowledged that everyone in the early Christian congregation shared in the preaching work. Of Christians in those days, Philip Schaff writes: “Every congregation was a missionary society, and every Christian believer a missionary.” (History of the Christian Church)
W. S. Williams states: “The general testimony is that all Christians in the primitive Church, especially those who had the charismatic gift [gifts of the spirit], preached the gospel.” (The Glorious Ministry of the Laity)
The Roman Catholic newspaper L’Osservatore Romano correctly said: “The first Christians, as soon as they were baptized, felt it their duty to spread the Gospel. From mouth to mouth, slaves transmitted the Gospel.”
Even Celsus, an ancient enemy of Christianity, wrote: “Wool-workers, cobblers, leather-dressers, the most illiterate and vulgar of mankind, were zealous preachers of the gospel.”
Today, similarly, I have to imagine that if someone hears the good news of the kingdom, that they would have to share it with others.
And this I believe is what Jesus had in mind when he said the good news would be preached in all the inhabited earth to all the nations. (Mat 24:14)Nick, you never actually answered my question. Anywho…
Quote Jesus decides who is a sheep and who is a goat. –nick
Right, no question. Jesus provided other examples of people being divided, or separated. Recall that he said concerning the broad road that leads to destruction:
“Many ARE the ones going in through it.” (Matthew 7:13)
That was not a comment just about the final outcome. It was a comment about an ongoing development, just as is true now of the few finding the cramped road leading off into life.Recall, too, that when sending out the apostles, Jesus said that they would find some who would be deserving. Others would not be deserving, and the apostles were to shake the dust off their feet “for a witness against” such people. (Luke 9:5) Is it not true that something similar happens as Christians carry on their public ministry today? Some respond well, whereas others reject the divine message that we are bringing.
So while the judging as described in the parable is in the future, even now something vital is taking place. There is a lifesaving work going on, that of proclaiming a message that causes a division among people. (Matthew 10:32-39).
So, of course, we can't or shouldn't say: 'this person's a sheep or goat' in the sense conveyed in Jesus parable.
Still, our exposing people to the good news allows them to show where they stand—what they are and how they react to Jesus’ brothers. Hence, like mounting evidence for a court case, the division between those who support Jesus’ brothers and those who refuse to support them is becoming evident. (Malachi 3:18)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2008,12:45) Hi TW,
You say
'Everyone will have a chance after the 1000 year reign to be a part of the church. Those not alive during in the 1000 year period will be resurrected (without their deficient/flawed bodies) to live in the kingdom (for 100 years) after the 1000 years has past. At that time because they will be in God's Kingdom and under His rule (not man's rule) and the people already in the kingdom will have built a world with a focus on God's love and therefore His laws. So things like murder, stress, disease and interest rates will be unheard of and those who are resurrected at that time will be in paradise (as Christ told the thief on the cross next to Him). Now they can choose to follow Christ or… die never to be resurrected again.”Is this biblical teaching?
Extra 100 year second chance?
I have never read it anywhere there.
The specific verse is Isaiah 65:20.God is not fiendish so no one will perish without getting a proper chance to follow God. The key is that everyone must have a chance to CHOOSE to follow God. This is important because we humans serve a purpose: to be part of the God-Family and we cannot be part of that Family unless we make a conscious CHOICE to walk righteously. There are no freebies.
Quote (david @ Feb. 29 2008,13:15) Quote Everyone will have a chance after the 1000 year reign to be a part of the church. Those not alive during in the 1000 year period will be resurrected (without their deficient/flawed bodies) to live in the kingdom (for 100 years) after the 1000 years has past. At that time because they will be in God's Kingdom and under His rule (not man's rule) and the people already in the kingdom will have built a world with a focus on God's love and therefore His laws. So things like murder, stress, disease and interest rates will be unheard of 
and those who are resurrected at that time will be in paradise (as Christ told the thief on the cross next to Him). NOW they can choose to follow Christ or… die never to be resurrected again.(CAPS ADDED)
I pretty much agree exactly with what is stated here.
What would your comment be on this scripture:
ACTS 17:30-31
“True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance, yet now he is telling mankind that they should all everywhere repent. Because he has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has furnished a guarantee to all men in that he has resurrected him from the dead.””ACTS 14:16
“In the past generations he permitted all the nations to go on in their ways,”We are told also that the good news of Christ would be preached in all the nations—starting out from Jerusalem,” (luke 24:47)
I do not consider what Armstrong did to be in any sense the good news being preached in all the nations. What people did back then, starting in Jerusalem–that was preaching, and it was vastly different than what Armstrong did, was it not?
Paul was noting that past nations were able to ignore God's laws without consequences. However, eventually there will be a judgement and Christ will be the judge.I can't help you with the preaching aspect. It's simple to me. An apostle can preach to a theater full of people or a room of just one. You are trying to “make things fit” so you feel comfortable and it doesn't work that way. Armstrong was an apostle and not a politician. So naturally he preached to them. They simply did not listen. In fact, they seemed to be more impressed with who he was as a man than his message.
This is the same thing people did and still do concerning Christ. They focus on Him (Christmas) instead of His gospel (the kingdom to come).
Quote (TDubyu @ Feb. 29 2008,14:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2008,12:45) Hi TW,
You say
'Everyone will have a chance after the 1000 year reign to be a part of the church. Those not alive during in the 1000 year period will be resurrected (without their deficient/flawed bodies) to live in the kingdom (for 100 years) after the 1000 years has past. At that time because they will be in God's Kingdom and under His rule (not man's rule) and the people already in the kingdom will have built a world with a focus on God's love and therefore His laws. So things like murder, stress, disease and interest rates will be unheard of and those who are resurrected at that time will be in paradise (as Christ told the thief on the cross next to Him). Now they can choose to follow Christ or… die never to be resurrected again.”Is this biblical teaching?
Extra 100 year second chance?
I have never read it anywhere there.
The specific verse is Isaiah 65:20.God is not fiendish so no one will perish without getting a proper chance to follow God. The key is that everyone must have a chance to CHOOSE to follow God. This is important because we humans serve a purpose: to be part of the God-Family and we cannot be part of that Family unless we make a conscious CHOICE to walk righteously. There are no freebies.
Hi TW,So Is 65 speaks of King Jesus ruling from Jerusalem and his blessed relationship with the repentant chosen people and the nations.
Is 65
19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
24And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
No mention of an extra 100 year second chance.
Weinland is not the only one predicting WWIII this year. Evidently Nastrodamus did too according to a new book mentioned on the History Channel recently. It's called, The Nastrodamus Code WWIII 2008-2012:
“Drawing on newly discovered Nostradamus manuscripts, a startling new view of the world is revealed. With a total of eight chapters, The Nostradamus Code: World War III opens with an overview of the bewildering events currently unfolding on the world stage. You will find out why they are happening, and what you can do about them to protect yourself.Next, the years 2008 through 2012 are explained in precise detail. Referred to by Nostradamus as the Time of Troubles, this period is full of war, despair, and evil, but also of hope and promise. Use this book to enlighten yourself, your loved ones, your world, and your future.”
So perhaps their are other witnesses or perhaps this is just something we see every couple of years as an attempt by some to profit off of fear mongering.
Greetings Cato….I wish I could share you optomism with respect to the division in our country,however,I find it hard to ignore the division in our body politic when it comes to character
issues.(eg.abortion,clonning,homosexuality,pornography,murder and adultry/Divorce).
The cohesiveness of this nation at the time of Pearl Harbor is no longer,this is very evident when you see how our leadership is prosecuting the so called war on terror.
America has lost its will to fight and prevail for what is right.We are a nation of selfish consumptous
entities that have lost sight of the purpose.
RWs time line for the events that will befall this nation is irelevant when it comes to Gods good time…
If HE so wills it he could TARY or things could unfold spontaneously.
The one thing that is for sure is that GOD has promised to forwarn those who seek him through his
prophets.
To address you point logistically,it would be folly to put any thing past this leadership when it comes
to their survival.
A quasi surrender to a foreign entity during a period of marshall law can not be taken off the table.
This could happen spontaneously as a result of a terrorist attack followed by an economic colapse..
Estimated time frame to put a Policing force in place….about six months.
FYI…Alamagordo NM is the home for appx 50 Tornado Fighter Jets along with ground crew and support
these planes are the property of the Luftwaffer…Greetings Cato….The origin of Nostradamus'lost Quatrane is highly suspect and to this day has not been authanticated,however, the Myan calander is very specific.
On the day of the winter soltice in the year 2012 the mother ship will appear.( Dec.21 2012 )
As we all know Satan has but a short time and he is not without the power to perform wonderous
feats.
I don't know about you ?…But if I saw a large space ship hovering over my town…
I would be impressed.
The UFO phenomenem is very real and in most cases the people who see these things
are not imaginning them.
The origin of these entities is where the confusion comes in.Most people do not realize
that satan is real and very powerfull.(So as to create wonders in sky )Quote (Cato @ Feb. 29 2008,13:04) Weinland is not the only one predicting WWIII this year. Evidently Nastrodamus did too according to a new book mentioned on the History Channel recently. It's called, The Nastrodamus Code WWIII 2008-2012:
“Drawing on newly discovered Nostradamus manuscripts, a startling new view of the world is revealed. With a total of eight chapters, The Nostradamus Code: World War III opens with an overview of the bewildering events currently unfolding on the world stage. You will find out why they are happening, and what you can do about them to protect yourself.Next, the years 2008 through 2012 are explained in precise detail. Referred to by Nostradamus as the Time of Troubles, this period is full of war, despair, and evil, but also of hope and promise. Use this book to enlighten yourself, your loved ones, your world, and your future.”
So perhaps their are other witnesses or perhaps this is just something we see every couple of years as an attempt by some to profit off of fear mongering.
The Nostradamus thing is indeed an attempt to cash in on people's fears. In fact, this book “The Nostradamus Code WWIII” is not new. Back in 2005, a guy sold it on his website, but back then it was entitled “The Nostradamus Code WWIII 2006-2012”. I bought it back then. I have it right here with me. It's a cheaply bound stack of paper (not even a book!) that is completely incoherent, contrived and ridiculous. And as I can infer from your post they now apparently re-titled it “WWIII 2008-2012”. No big surprise there. So, from this very obvious fact one can automatically see that this stuff is false.Not so with Mr. Weinland. If his time frame for predictions turns out to be false, there's not gonna be any more books (which are free in the first place anyway).
One has only to look at American history to see that division is nothing new, just look at the US Civil war in the 1860s, the civil rights and anti-war movement in the 1960s, to see my point. I remember those who thought sex, drugs and rock and roll were the end the nation in the 1970s. Compared to global annihilation posed by the cold war, terrorism is not unbearable when seen in that light. I am not saying the world is not without trouble, but when has it ever been so? Many in the past thought the black plague, or Attilla the Hun were the wrath of God coming to end the world also. I merely like to place things in perspective. I do not postulate that the Weinland predictions are impossible, merely improbable, and that there have been so many false alarms by truly sincere and even rational individuals much less the irrational and the criminal, that reason dictates extreme prejudice. Prophesy whether by annointed priest, pagan oracle or channelling psychic are notorious in their accuracy. I recognize that any day I might die and face judgement for my deeds and try and act accordingly, for this is prudent and all any reasonable man should do, but also must take into account that day may also be long in coming.
Quote (Cato @ Mar. 01 2008,02:44) One has only to look at American history to see that division is nothing new, just look at the US Civil war in the 1860s, the civil rights and anti-war movement in the 1960s, to see my point. I remember those who thought sex, drugs and rock and roll were the end the nation in the 1970s. Compared to global annihilation posed by the cold war, terrorism is not unbearable when seen in that light. I am not saying the world is not without trouble, but when has it ever been so? Many in the past thought the black plague, or Attilla the Hun were the wrath of God coming to end the world also. I merely like to place things in perspective. I do not postulate that the Weinland predictions are impossible, merely improbable, and that there have been so many false alarms by truly sincere and even rational individuals much less the irrational and the criminal, that reason dictates extreme prejudice. Prophesy whether by annointed priest, pagan oracle or channelling psychic are notorious in their accuracy. I recognize that any day I might die and face judgement for my deeds and try and act accordingly, for this is prudent and all any reasonable man should do, but also must take into account that day may also be long in coming.
Very well put….and I must say I agree with your thesis…
Having said that ….I think you might agree that this is a most stimulating topic to base a forum on….Cato, I endorse your plea for perspectivism. Yet I'd just like to additionally point out that Weinland's predictions are placed in total perspective with the entire history of mankind. In fact, I would never be as convinced of his prophecies and of what's written in the two books if it were not for him putting everything into historical and meaningful context. Everything fits hand in glove. There's not one question left unanswered. Certain historical developments, especially the ones of the last few centuries, become clear and understandable if you see them in this prophetic light.
The one thing people in general rarely seem to get is that reason and objectivity do not contradict God, the supernatural, prophecies, etc. Just like modern science and creationism do not contradict but complement each other, so with history and prophetic fulfilments. Anyway, that's just the perspective I'd like to emphasize a little bit.
wishing a nice sabbath to everyone out there who keeps it
Quote (WaterAmerican @ Mar. 01 2008,04:40) Cato, I endorse your plea for perspectivism. Yet I'd just like to additionally point out that Weinland's predictions are placed in total perspective with the entire history of mankind. In fact, I would never be as convinced of his prophecies and of what's written in the two books if it were not for him putting everything into historical and meaningful context. Everything fits hand in glove. There's not one question left unanswered. Certain historical developments, especially the ones of the last few centuries, become clear and understandable if you see them in this prophetic light. The one thing people in general rarely seem to get is that reason and objectivity do not contradict God, the supernatural, prophecies, etc. Just like modern science and creationism do not contradict but complement each other, so with history and prophetic fulfilments. Anyway, that's just the perspective I'd like to emphasize a little bit.
wishing a nice sabbath to everyone out there who keeps it
Greetings….With reference to “perspectivisms”…My understandings of RWs prophesy is that they are an inspired
word of knowledge from God…And not his predictions….
If Iam wrong than I stand corrected.Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 29 2008,19:04) Quote (WaterAmerican @ Mar. 01 2008,04:40) Cato, I endorse your plea for perspectivism. Yet I'd just like to additionally point out that Weinland's predictions are placed in total perspective with the entire history of mankind. In fact, I would never be as convinced of his prophecies and of what's written in the two books if it were not for him putting everything into historical and meaningful context. Everything fits hand in glove. There's not one question left unanswered. Certain historical developments, especially the ones of the last few centuries, become clear and understandable if you see them in this prophetic light. The one thing people in general rarely seem to get is that reason and objectivity do not contradict God, the supernatural, prophecies, etc. Just like modern science and creationism do not contradict but complement each other, so with history and prophetic fulfilments. Anyway, that's just the perspective I'd like to emphasize a little bit.
wishing a nice sabbath to everyone out there who keeps it
Greetings….With reference to “perspectivisms”…My understandings of RWs prophesy is that they are an inspired
word of knowledge from God…And not his predictions….
If Iam wrong than I stand corrected.
Correct, of course, they're not “his” predictions
don't really know why i used that terminologyQuote (Cato @ Feb. 29 2008,23:04) Weinland is not the only one predicting WWIII this year. Evidently Nastrodamus did too according to a new book mentioned on the History Channel recently. It's called, The Nastrodamus Code WWIII 2008-2012:
“Drawing on newly discovered Nostradamus manuscripts, a startling new view of the world is revealed. With a total of eight chapters, The Nostradamus Code: World War III opens with an overview of the bewildering events currently unfolding on the world stage. You will find out why they are happening, and what you can do about them to protect yourself.Next, the years 2008 through 2012 are explained in precise detail. Referred to by Nostradamus as the Time of Troubles, this period is full of war, despair, and evil, but also of hope and promise. Use this book to enlighten yourself, your loved ones, your world, and your future.”
So perhaps their are other witnesses or perhaps this is just something we see every couple of years as an attempt by some to profit off of fear mongering.
Perhaps Weinland based his predictions from a number of things.6000 year age which we seems to be near the end of, Nastrodamus and others, 7 year peace treaties, who knows.
I personally think that he is using head knowledge with his predictions. I do not believe that God gave him this revelation to share with the world.
But it seems we have a year to wait. A pity there wasn't a more recent prediction to prove his words. That way less time would be wasted by some of you guys.
Who talks about Yisrayl Hawkins now that his predictions didn't come to pass. The sooner that Weinland is shown to be the same the better.
That said, I know that there are enough people out there to keep these sorts of guys in business for many ears to come. There just doesn't seem to be any shortage of naive people who follow false prophets.
Jesus said:
and many false prophets will appear and deceive MANY people.So when can everyone here know for sure that Weinland is a false prophet. Can we have a date that will prove that he is false? Someone mentioned April 2009. Is there a closer date that will prove or disprove his words?
Thanks for your time.
Hi Everyone,
I'm back for now. I'm so glad to see more Sabbath keepers here. So refreshing. I haven't the slightest idea what the book is all about, but I also have been given revelations from our Father in heaven that I should build a bomb shelter. I had this in mt head for a couple years now. There is specific info in the OT reguarding the nukes and Iran. I have written the US Gov. to warn them about Iraq. That was about two years ago I think.Well wouldn't you know, now it's in the news!
I am going to spend a while reading the end time book tonight so I can make some “educated” comments on this topic.
Another man whom I do believe is a prophet, although he has never claimed it, is Michael Rood. He has a web site called MichaelRoodMinistries.com
His end time predictions are based on the “Creator's Calander.”
In 2002 the Creator's Calander was “restored.” Michael's prediction about the beginning of Jacob's trouble and the end of the seven year treaty with death vame true. His calculations from what I have read here are close to RW's. I put MR in the lead simply because he actually was a part of planting the barley crop in Jerusalem and published and does publish the first restored, agricultually, Biblically correct calander.
Well I'm going off to read. PS Thanks Theo for the heads up. I appreciate your writing to me.
Laurel
Oh, I just want to say HAPPY SHABBAT!!!!
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 29 2008,23:10) Quote (Cato @ Feb. 29 2008,23:04) Weinland is not the only one predicting WWIII this year. Evidently Nastrodamus did too according to a new book mentioned on the History Channel recently. It's called, The Nastrodamus Code WWIII 2008-2012:
“Drawing on newly discovered Nostradamus manuscripts, a startling new view of the world is revealed. With a total of eight chapters, The Nostradamus Code: World War III opens with an overview of the bewildering events currently unfolding on the world stage. You will find out why they are happening, and what you can do about them to protect yourself.Next, the years 2008 through 2012 are explained in precise detail. Referred to by Nostradamus as the Time of Troubles, this period is full of war, despair, and evil, but also of hope and promise. Use this book to enlighten yourself, your loved ones, your world, and your future.”
So perhaps their are other witnesses or perhaps this is just something we see every couple of years as an attempt by some to profit off of fear mongering.
Perhaps Weinland based his predictions from a number of things.6000 year age which we seems to be near the end of, Nastrodamus and others, 7 year peace treaties, who knows.
I personally think that he is using head knowledge with his predictions. I do not believe that God gave him this revelation to share with the world.
But it seems we have a year to wait. A pity there wasn't a more recent prediction to prove his words. That way less time would be wasted by some of you guys.
Who talks about Yisrayl Hawkins now that his predictions didn't come to pass. The sooner that Weinland is shown to be the same the better.
That said, I know that there are enough people out there to keep these sorts of guys in business for many ears to come. There just doesn't seem to be any shortage of naive people who follow false prophets.
Jesus said:
and many false prophets will appear and deceive MANY people.So when can everyone here know for sure that Weinland is a false prophet. Can we have a date that will prove that he is false? Someone mentioned April 2009. Is there a closer date that will prove or disprove his words?
Thanks for your time.
Ehm, no, you seem to have misunderstood what was said earlier. Not April 2009, April 2008! The date you wish to prove Ron Weinland to be false with is just 2 months away.Quote (t8 @ Mar. 01 2008,09:10) Quote (Cato @ Feb. 29 2008,23:04) Weinland is not the only one predicting WWIII this year. Evidently Nastrodamus did too according to a new book mentioned on the History Channel recently. It's called, The Nastrodamus Code WWIII 2008-2012:
“Drawing on newly discovered Nostradamus manuscripts, a startling new view of the world is revealed. With a total of eight chapters, The Nostradamus Code: World War III opens with an overview of the bewildering events currently unfolding on the world stage. You will find out why they are happening, and what you can do about them to protect yourself.Next, the years 2008 through 2012 are explained in precise detail. Referred to by Nostradamus as the Time of Troubles, this period is full of war, despair, and evil, but also of hope and promise. Use this book to enlighten yourself, your loved ones, your world, and your future.”
So perhaps their are other witnesses or perhaps this is just something we see every couple of years as an attempt by some to profit off of fear mongering.
Perhaps Weinland based his predictions from a number of things.6000 year age which we seems to be near the end of, Nastrodamus and others, 7 year peace treaties, who knows.
I personally think that he is using head knowledge with his predictions. I do not believe that God gave him this revelation to share with the world.
But it seems we have a year to wait. A pity there wasn't a more recent prediction to prove his words. That way less time would be wasted by some of you guys.
Who talks about Yisrayl Hawkins now that his predictions didn't come to pass. The sooner that Weinland is shown to be the same the better.
That said, I know that there are enough people out there to keep these sorts of guys in business for many ears to come. There just doesn't seem to be any shortage of naive people who follow false prophets.
Jesus said:
and many false prophets will appear and deceive MANY people.So when can everyone here know for sure that Weinland is a false prophet. Can we have a date that will prove that he is false? Someone mentioned April 2009. Is there a closer date that will prove or disprove his words?
Thanks for your time.
Greetings t8…..RWs books sure have stirred up alot of
controversy….My observation is that from a time line standpoint we don't have long to wait …The time in which noticable events of a catastrophic proportion would probly
start in April of 08.
I can't help but notice the amount of anamous directed at
this messenger, it is a natural human reaction to resist a message of this type.
Having said that,lets not “kill the messenger because we don't
like the message”And I mean this metaphorically.
Lets examine the message at a risk of simplyfing things….
RWs message simply says God is going to bring judgement
on this country first and then the rest of the world for a
period of 31/2 years.
In addition he says that christianity as we know it today is
routed in the catholic church and we are worshipping in vain
because of the adherence to dogma and doctrine that stems from paganism.
He urges all to repent and keep God s sabbaths and to tithe
so as to support the work.
He has declared himself a prophet of the God of Abraham
along with being the spokesmen for the two witnesses as
well as being one.
I find the scriptual basis for his prognostications sound…..
What we have a problem with is we believe things and we
don't know why….
We always revert back to isolated bits of scripture to dismiss
this mans assertions.( Only God Knows…….)
If you read the scriptures RW references you will see that clearly Jesus and the angelic host know…
Having said that let remind you that we were promised a
prophet before any judgements…
RW could very well be that prophet….After All didn't everyone
think Noah a fool until it started to rain.
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