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Hi Everybody,
The Devil (Lucifer: Satan's name) wants us to remain ‘confused’ and in sin; but YHVH wants us to STOP sinning!
How do these two verses [square] with each other, in English they may not appear to? but in Greek it's a snap!
Romans 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.To understand what (Shaool) the Apostle Paul is saying here we MUST look into the Greek.
In English we don’t have the word “righteousified”, which is what is being said in Greek!
Righteous Righteousness and Justified in English, but this is NOT the case in the Greek…(E) Righteous (Adjective) (G) δίκαιος (dikaios) dik'-ah-yos be righteous
(E) Righteousness (Noun) (G) δικαιοσύνη (dikaiosuné) dik-ah-yos-oo'-nay righteousness
(E) Justified (Verb) (G) δικαιόω (dikaioó) dik-ah-yo'-o shown to be righteous, (righteousified)It's Christ who initially cleanses us (Romans 6:1-2),
but the “HolySpirit” keeps us clean (Hebrews 10:26)!
In English we do NOT have a verb for Righteousness;
so one has been made up one for you: righteousified.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Everybody,
A man doesn’t get to decide whether or not he is a a sinner, any more than a
speaker can declare his own words to be truthful. They either are or they aren't.The bible teaches that all sinners declare themselves innocent, but then they
are found to be sinners by others. The record of a person’s actions speaks volumes
of their “Righteousness” or lack thereof (1John 3:10). It’s how others view you over time
that matters, not how a person declares themselves without “sin” or “fault” in their own thinking.What does perfection in Christ mean as it relates to Biblical Truth?
There is only one way to be perfect and that’s to stop sinning (Matt. 5:44)!
This can only be done with the Holy Spirit tabernacleing on the inside (Heb. 8:10).A progression away from the old sinful nature (Col.3:4-10):
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; For his seed
remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE), because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.comHi Everyone,
Rom.5:19: For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,
so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTo All,
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat
and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in THE HOLYSPIRIT.
Eph.4:6 One GOD AND FATHER of all, who is above all, and through all, and IN YOU ALL.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgED J…………….I agree with those last three posts, of your.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 04 2010,12:23) ED J…………….I agree with those last three posts, of your. peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Hi Gene,What's wrong with the first one?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,02:49) Hi Everybody, The Devil (Lucifer: Satan's name) wants us to remain ‘confused’ and in sin; but YHVH wants us to STOP sinning!
How do these two verses [square] with each other, in English they may not appear to? but in Greek it's a snap!
Romans 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.To understand what (Shaool) the Apostle Paul is saying here we MUST look into the Greek.
In English we don’t have the word “righteousified”, which is what is being said in Greek!
Righteous Righteousness and Justified in English, but this is NOT the case in the Greek…(E) Righteous (Adjective) (G) δίκαιος (dikaios) dik'-ah-yos be righteous
(E) Righteousness (Noun) (G) δικαιοσύνη (dikaiosuné) dik-ah-yos-oo'-nay righteousness
(E) Justified (Verb) (G) δικαιόω (dikaioó) dik-ah-yo'-o shown to be righteous, (righteousified)It's Christ who initially cleanses us (Romans 6:1-2),
but the “HolySpirit” keeps us clean (Hebrews 10:26)!
In English we do NOT have a verb for Righteousness;
so one has been made up one for you: righteousified.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J: Satan is a liar, I pay no attention to him!NOT hearers of the law are just but doers of the law…the law was all about works for salvation/justification.
knowing that former scripture is true…we conclude that NOW in this day of faith, a man is justified by faith….WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW…
It is true that Christ cleanses us (if we believe) and the Holy Spirit keeps us clean (by faith) That is true!
We agree! TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ July 04 2010,23:34) Ed J: Satan is a liar, I pay no attention to him! NOT hearers of the law are just but doers of the law…the law was all about works for salvation/justification.
knowing that former scripture is true…we conclude that NOW in this day of faith, a man is justified by faith….WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW…
It is true that Christ cleanses us (if we believe) and the Holy Spirit keeps us clean (by faith) That is true!
We agree! TK
Hi Tim,You seem to keep getting the story mixed up in your mind.
It is the faithing that saves us, by putting our trust in YHVH.
And as a result of faithing it produces works of Righteousness.
It's the works of righteousness that is the evidence of salvation.
But to just 'think' oneself to be pure is a 'delusion of one's mind',
because faith without works is dead! (James 2:20 / James 2:26)God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,03:58) Hi Everybody, A man doesn’t get to decide whether or not he is a a sinner, any more than a
speaker can declare his own words to be truthful. They either are or they aren't.The bible teaches that all sinners declare themselves innocent, but then they
are found to be sinners by others. The record of a person’s actions speaks volumes
of their “Righteousness” or lack thereof (1John 3:10). It’s how others view you over time
that matters, not how a person declares themselves without “sin” or “fault” in their own thinking.What does perfection in Christ mean as it relates to Biblical Truth?
There is only one way to be perfect and that’s to stop sinning (Matt. 5:44)!
This can only be done with the Holy Spirit tabernacleing on the inside (Heb. 8:10).A progression away from the old sinful nature (Col.3:4-10):
1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; For his seed
remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE), because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.com
Ed J: If all sinners already declare themselves innocent then how could there be a progression away from sin?I would not call a born again human being with the life force of God within him one that has an old sinful nature. Humans have the nature of their Father. Those who believe God is their father, have Gods nature, and are one together. Those who believe they have a sinful nature are full of sin and apart from God.
1John5:18 says, we know that whosoever is born of God SINNETH NOT yet you say you are born of God and sin all the time.
I make no declaration of myself. I am nothing without God. If God says he made me clean and whole then it is so.
Perfection in Christ means there is nothing to do to get better than what Christ has made you. The more you purify your mind with faith in that cleanliness created from God the stronger the flow of love is through you.
Stoping sin by good works is a lie. To stop sinning one must stop believing in his works. Purification is by faith.
We do know that whosoever is born of God, by faith, sinneth not! God Bless, TK
Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,23:49) Quote (Tim Kraft @ July 04 2010,23:34) Ed J: Satan is a liar, I pay no attention to him! NOT hearers of the law are just but doers of the law…the law was all about works for salvation/justification.
knowing that former scripture is true…we conclude that NOW in this day of faith, a man is justified by faith….WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW…
It is true that Christ cleanses us (if we believe) and the Holy Spirit keeps us clean (by faith) That is true!
We agree! TK
Hi Tim,You seem to keep getting the story mixed up in your mind.
It is the faithing that saves us, by putting our trust in YHVH.
And as a result of faithing it produces works of Righteousness.
It's the works of righteousness that is the evidence of salvation.
But to just 'think' oneself to be pure is a 'delusion of one's mind',
because faith without works is dead! (James 2:20 / James 2:26)God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J: You have come up with a cute new word, faithing. Whatever one has faith in he will evidence outside that is true. If you believe in Gods purification and love that is what you will produce in fruit. If you believe you are a sinner, with a sin nature, sin is what you will procuce. Thus we are known by the fruit produced. Not good and bad works. A person doesn't have to believe in God to do good works.Jesus said the work for today is to believe…. I follow him!
I totally agree that for someone to just think himself to be pure before God is a delusion. I am nothing without God. What I think doesn't mean a thing. What God says I'am is the truth. That is what I believe in, not my good or bad works. TK
Tim……….Good points brother, But if we do think that way then the fruit of the Spirit (will) be the outcome in our lives, I think ED J, may be meaning that. But i know what you are saying because some think (they) Must themselves form (themselves) produce a sinless life. That type of righteousness would not be of Faith in GOD but Faith in themselves. Am i following you both right here?
peace and love to you both……………………….gene
Quote (Tim Kraft @ July 04 2010,23:54) Ed J: 1) If all sinners already declare themselves innocent then how could there be a progression away from sin?
2) I would not call a born again human being with the life force of God within him one that has an old sinful nature. Humans have the nature of their Father. Those who believe God is their father, have Gods nature, and are one together. Those who believe they have a sinful nature are full of sin and apart from God.
3) 1John5:18 says, we know that whosoever is born of God SINNETH NOT yet you say you are born of God and sin all the time.
4) I make no declaration of myself. I am nothing without God. If God says he made me clean and whole then it is so.
5) Perfection in Christ means there is nothing to do to get better than what Christ has made you. The more you purify your mind with faith in that cleanliness created from God the stronger the flow of love is through you.
6) Stoping sin by good works is a lie. To stop sinning one must stop believing in his works. Purification is by faith.
7) We do know that whosoever is born of God, by faith, sinneth not! God Bless, TK
Hi Tim,1) First a person MUST realize they are a sinner.
2) Believing there is a God doesn't change anything, at least not until you change your behavior;
the definition of repenting is to change direction, not to say you feel bad and sorry or say you now feel right!3) Why are you putting 'spin' on what I said? The “HolySpirit” on the inside persuades us to not sin.
4) You are not whole until you stop sinning, until then you are only a work in process; KEEP FAITHING!
5) Christ sweeps away all the old sin, but the “HolySpirit” on the inside helps to keep us from retuning to former sins.
6) Faithing is what both stops us from sinning a AND produces works of righteousness(Spiritual fruit).
7) This is the ultimate goal and a guaranteed result through faithing!
God bless
Ed J (Eccl.9:15-16)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Tim Kraft @ July 05 2010,00:03) Ed J: You have come up with a cute new word, faithing. Whatever one has faith in he will evidence outside that is true. If you believe in Gods purification and love that is what you will produce in fruit. If you believe you are a sinner, with a sin nature, sin is what you will procuce. Thus we are known by the fruit produced. Not good and bad works. A person doesn't have to believe in God to do good works. Jesus said the work for today is to believe…. I follow him!
I totally agree that for someone to just think himself to be pure before God is a delusion. I am nothing without God. What I think doesn't mean a thing. What God says I'am is the truth. That is what I believe in, not my good or bad works. TK
Hi Tim,In the Greek, Faithing is a verb (denoting action).
In English, Faith is a noun, but the Greek word is a verb, which means faithing.Faithing means: Action based on belief sustained by confidence.
So to be faithing is to have works, it's automatic, without a law that says do or don't do.We are made righteous by actions ONLY not by what you believe or don't believe,
quit spouting that Luciferian garbage! Works are the ONLY thing that matters, quit listening to Lucifer!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ July 05 2010,00:12) Tim……….Good points brother, But if we do think that way then the fruit of the Spirit (will) be the outcome in our lives, I think ED J, may be meaning that. But i know what you are saying because some think (they) Must themselves form (themselves) produce a sinless life. That type of righteousness would not be of Faith in GOD but Faith in themselves. Am i following you both right here? peace and love to you both……………………….gene
Hi Gene,Before God was in my life, all my acts of kindness had ulterior motives; thus filthy rags. (Is.64:6)
But now I can feel Good about doing things for others, and not expecting anything in return!Because you CANNOT out give God, whatever you give away more always comes back!
That's why Jesus confidently laid down his life, because he knew this God principal so well.
What you give away, God gives back more; it's action based on belief sustained by confidence.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd: “In religion, or man made indoctrinated knowledge, man is DRIVEN forward in the pursuit of God, powered by FEAR!!
In FAITH, revelation knowledge, man is ALLURED to find his Father of Love to BECOME MORE LIKE HIM.”
You say to me that I want total freedom so I can sin. I say my total freedom in Christ inhances my desire to express the love of my father to you and everyone else.
You have written previously that you believe you are still in sin and under the law. Or shall I change that statement to you say we are not sinless and must follow the law. One who says they are in sin and under the law have denied the work of Jesus which was to fulfill the law and put away sin forever. Jesus brought peace and joy to the new dispensation. Wrath and destruction are still on whosoever believes in the law and sin. There is no sin apart from the law. When the law came sin came. Jesus, the word of God, the holy spirit is here, now, as a two edged sword, cutting away the chaff(those who refuse salvation) to be gathered and burned, while leaving THE WHEAT TO BE KEPT & STORED!
Some body should look and see who remains on this earth. Every parable of Jesus says the good/righteous/believers/peacemakers will remain. There are some powerful doctrines being passed in religious circles that say different. The true Kingdom of God, the church made without hands, the body of Christ REMAIN ON THE EARTH!!! The meek inherit the earth. TKEd: “In religion, or man made indoctrinated knowledge, man is DRIVEN forward in the pursuit of God, powered by FEAR!!
In FAITH, revelation knowledge, man is ALLURED to find his Father of Love to BECOME MORE LIKE HIM.”
You say to me that I want total freedom so I can sin. I say my total freedom in Christ inhances my desire to express the love of my father to you and everyone else.
You have written previously that you believe you are still in sin and under the law. Or shall I change that statement to you say we are not sinless and must follow the law. One who says they are in sin and under the law have denied the work of Jesus which was to fulfill
the law and put away sin forever. Jesus brought peace and joy to the new dispensation. Wrath and destruction are still on whosoever believes in the law and sin. There is no sin apart from the law. When the law came sin came. Jesus, the word of God, the holy spirit is here, now, as a two edged sword, cutting away the chaff(those who refuse salvation) to be gathered and burned, while leaving THE
WHEAT TO BE KEPT & STORED!
Some body should look and see who remains on this earth. Every parable of Jesus says the good/righteous/believers/peacemakers will remain. There are some powerful doctrines being passed in religious circles that say we fly away. The true Kingdom of God, the churchmade without hands, the body of Christ REMAIN ON THE EARTH!!! The meek inherit the earth. TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 11 2010,00:49) Ed: “In religion, or man made indoctrinated knowledge, man is DRIVEN forward in the pursuit of God, powered by FEAR!! In FAITH, revelation knowledge, man is ALLURED to find his Father of Love to BECOME MORE LIKE HIM.”
You say to me that I want total freedom so I can sin. I say my total freedom in Christ inhances my desire to express the love of my father to you and everyone else.
You have written previously that you believe you are still in sin and under the law. Or shall I change that statement to you say we are not sinless and must follow the law. One who says they are in sin and under the law have denied the work of Jesus which was to fulfill the law and put away sin forever. Jesus brought peace and joy to the new dispensation. Wrath and destruction are still on whosoever believes in the law and sin. There is no sin apart from the law. When the law came sin came. Jesus, the word of God, the holy spirit is here, now, as a two edged sword, cutting away the chaff(those who refuse salvation) to be gathered and burned, while leaving THE WHEAT TO BE KEPT & STORED!
Some body should look and see who remains on this earth. Every parable of Jesus says the good/righteous/believers/peacemakers will remain. There are some powerful doctrines being passed in religious circles that say different. The true Kingdom of God, the church made without hands, the body of Christ REMAIN ON THE EARTH!!! The meek inherit the earth. TK
Hi Tim,Did you even read this thread or better yet,
do you even consider what I tell you? (John 15:18-22)John 15:18: If the world hate you(Ed J), ye know that it hated me(Jesus) before it hated you.
If ye(Ed J) were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye(Ed J) are not
of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Remember The Word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord.
If they have persecuted me(Jesus), they will also persecute you(Ed J); if they have
kept my saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do unto you
for my name's sake, because they know not Him (YHVH) that sent me. If I had not
come and spoken unto them, they had not [known] sin: but now they have no cloak
for their sin.Faithing (in Greek) is a verb, rather than a Noun.
The ADC's of Faithing are…A) Action
B) Based upon belief
C) Sustained by confidenceGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2010,07:07) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 11 2010,00:49) Ed: “In religion, or man made indoctrinated knowledge, man is DRIVEN forward in the pursuit of God, powered by FEAR!! In FAITH, revelation knowledge, man is ALLURED to find his Father of Love to BECOME MORE LIKE HIM.”
You say to me that I want total freedom so I can sin. I say my total freedom in Christ inhances my desire to express the love of my father to you and everyone else.
You have written previously that you believe you are still in sin and under the law. Or shall I change that statement to you say we are not sinless and must follow the law. One who says they are in sin and under the law have denied the work of Jesus which was to fulfill the law and put away sin forever. Jesus brought peace and joy to the new dispensation. Wrath and destruction are still on whosoever believes in the law and sin. There is no sin apart from the law. When the law came sin came. Jesus, the word of God, the holy spirit is here, now, as a two edged sword, cutting away the chaff(those who refuse salvation) to be gathered and burned, while leaving THE WHEAT TO BE KEPT & STORED!
Some body should look and see who remains on this earth. Every parable of Jesus says the good/righteous/believers/peacemakers will remain. There are some powerful doctrines being passed in religious circles that say different. The true Kingdom of God, the church made without hands, the body of Christ REMAIN ON THE EARTH!!! The meek inherit the earth. TK
Hi Tim,Did you even read this thread or better yet,
do you even consider what I tell you? (John 15:18-22)John 15:18: If the world hate you(Ed J), ye know that it hated me(Jesus) before it hated you.
If ye(Ed J) were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye(Ed J) are not
of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Remember The Word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord.
If they have persecuted me(Jesus), they will also persecute you(Ed J); if they have
kept my saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do unto you
for my name's sake, because they know not Him (YHVH) that sent me. If I had not
come and spoken unto them, they had not [known] sin: but now they have no cloak
for their sin.Faithing (in Greek) is a verb, rather than a Noun.
The ADC's of Faithing are…A) Action
B) Based upon belief
C) Sustained by confidenceGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed: If you care to know the truth of the scriptures you quoted you would see that “the world” that Jesus is talking about is the Jewish, religious world order of that time. He wastalking about the Jews/church under the law. Your not chosen out of the church order of that time, you demand to be in the law and sin. If you were out of the religious order of that time or the
law and sin then the religious world would hate you like it hated Jesus.
If the religious ones persecuted Jesus for his new ageteachings, then they will persecute you.
I have kept the saying of Jesus and held fast to them. It is you that percutes me, calling me stupid and other things. Ijust agree with Jesus, he came to save the world from sin, he did that, he took away the sin of the world, he did that. You are the one that says sin is still here. You are the one that
say the law is still in effect.
If you will go on over to John 15:25 you will see who the world is that Jesus is talking about. “It is written in their law”!And again in 16:2,—“They shall put you out of the synagogues”—that was the religious hierarchy not the outside world.
Where do you get the idea that you are not of the Jewish religion with the law and the prophets and sin still in effect? Do you now deny you are under the law. Do you now agree you have no sin or you do sin. Which is it?
Your not being persecuted for righteousness sake. Youdisagree that we are righteous, holy, perfect, unblemished, and sinless before God through Jesus. Your doctrines are commonly accepted among church goers. Universal sin
consciousness. TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 11 2010,00:49) Ed: You have written previously that you believe you are still in sin…
TK
Hi Tim,What is your purpose in spouting LIES?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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