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Gene Balthrop,
I am implying that one should fear to make God jealous or for that matter wrathful.
This passage from Psalms also tells us about God. Do you agree with it that God will cause the wickedness of evil doers to return on their own heads?
Psalms 7:9-16(KJV) reads:
Quote Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.
My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.
God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready.
He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; he ordaineth his arrows against the persecutors.
Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.
He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.
Kerwin……..I absolutely believe what a man sows he will reap, both now and in the future, I have reaped some sorrow and Pain over some of the things I have done in my life also, but that cause me NO Fear, I just believe, God's way is the best way to live and experience Life and ALL his commandments are Holy Just and GOOD. They are given out of Gods Love For us and He wants us to enjoy life with him and Have love and peace with each other. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Nick…….So you might start to understand what you are reading for a Change. I have never added to scripture what was not already implied NICK. I might ask you why do your subtract from them so readily? Why do you try so hard to prevent Growth and maturity is it because you feel you already Know it all ? I am told in Scripture we only see in Part and as for Knowledge it will be done away with, for the very reason, and replaced by the full Knowledge when it comes, So there is lots of room fro growth for us all> IMO
peace and love…………………………gene
Gene Balthrop wrote:
Quote I absolutely believe what a man sows he will reap, both now and in the future, I have reaped some sorrow and Pain over some of the things I have done in my life also, but that cause me NO Fear,
Fear like anger can be healthy if used correctly but when not it becomes sinful. God gave us fear to protect us from harm. It protects us from harm by preventing us from doing those things that we perceive as harmful. Fear can become harmful if it is stems from lack of faith or it prevents us from doing God’s will.
Let us say that I grabbed a hot pan off the stove and burned my self. Because I have learned to fear doing so In the future I act to protect myself when handling hot pans be. If I felt no fear then I would keep grabbing hot pans off the stove and repeating burn myself.
If you really believe “what a man sows he will reap” then you sin is harmful and it is right to fear it because of the harm it causes. Yet you seem to contradict your own words by stating “but that cause me NO Fear”. The only solution I can think of that removes that conflict in your words is if you are using the word “fear” differently than it is used in the clause “fear of God“.
Gene Balthrop wrote:
Quote I just believe, God's way is the best way to live and experience Life and ALL his commandments are Holy Just and GOOD. They are given out of Gods Love For us and He wants us to enjoy life with him and Have love and peace with each other.
If this is true then you “fear God” as you know his commands are loving and disobeying them is harmful to you.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 26 2010,07:12) Nick…….So you might start to understand what you are reading for a Change. I have never added to scripture what was not already implied NICK. I might ask you why do your subtract from them so readily? Why do you try so hard to prevent Growth and maturity is it because you feel you already Know it all ? I am told in Scripture we only see in Part and as for Knowledge it will be done away with, for the very reason, and replaced by the full Knowledge when it comes, So there is lots of room fro growth for us all> IMO peace and love…………………………gene
GB,
You do not have full knowledge and as you loosen your attachment to what is written you have less and less. You have already fearlessly opposed the words of the master about satan and the domain of darkness and other matters.Abide in scripture if you wish to have fellowship with God and His son.[2Jn9]
Quote Let us say that I grabbed a hot pan off the stove and burned my self. Because I have learned to fear doing so In the future I act to protect myself when handling hot pans be. If I felt no fear then I would keep grabbing hot pans off the stove and repeating burn myself. Fear is and can be considered a 'phobia', fear of the dark, fear of birds flying over head, spiders, snakes. Although there are dangers in these caution will elevate them.
Being hurt to me is a learning process. Stove: hot, don't touch, fire: hot don't touch ect. ect.
You state that if I do not obey I will be harmed, I disagree, this is an ancient teaching, if you do not give the gods what they want your life will be harmed.
Nothing should be done out of fear, only love.
Quote (princess of the king @ April 27 2010,08:13) Quote Let us say that I grabbed a hot pan off the stove and burned my self. Because I have learned to fear doing so In the future I act to protect myself when handling hot pans be. If I felt no fear then I would keep grabbing hot pans off the stove and repeating burn myself. Fear is and can be considered a 'phobia', fear of the dark, fear of birds flying over head, spiders, snakes. Although there are dangers in these caution will elevate them.
Being hurt to me is a learning process. Stove: hot, don't touch, fire: hot don't touch ect. ect.
You state that if I do not obey I will be harmed, I disagree, this is an ancient teaching, if you do not give the gods what they want your life will be harmed.
Nothing should be done out of fear, only love.
pOKyou should ad also ,of understanding, because without it, we will always hurt our selfs .
Quote (terraricca @ April 27 2010,08:23) Quote (princess of the king @ April 27 2010,08:13) Quote Let us say that I grabbed a hot pan off the stove and burned my self. Because I have learned to fear doing so In the future I act to protect myself when handling hot pans be. If I felt no fear then I would keep grabbing hot pans off the stove and repeating burn myself. Fear is and can be considered a 'phobia', fear of the dark, fear of birds flying over head, spiders, snakes. Although there are dangers in these caution will elevate them.
Being hurt to me is a learning process. Stove: hot, don't touch, fire: hot don't touch ect. ect.
You state that if I do not obey I will be harmed, I disagree, this is an ancient teaching, if you do not give the gods what they want your life will be harmed.
Nothing should be done out of fear, only love.
pOKyou should ad also ,of understanding, because without it, we will always hurt our selfs .
Thank you T, I agree understanding needs to be added. As always T, take care.Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2010,06:29) Gene Balthrop wrote: Quote I absolutely believe what a man sows he will reap, both now and in the future, I have reaped some sorrow and Pain over some of the things I have done in my life also, but that cause me NO Fear,
Fear like anger can be healthy if used correctly but when not it becomes sinful. God gave us fear to protect us from harm. It protects us from harm by preventing us from doing those things that we perceive as harmful. Fear can become harmful if it is stems from lack of faith or it prevents us from doing God’s will.
Let us say that I grabbed a hot pan off the stove and burned my self. Because I have learned to fear doing so In the future I act to protect myself when handling hot pans be. If I felt no fear then I would keep grabbing hot pans off the stove and repeating burn myself.
If you really believe “what a man sows he will reap” then you sin is harmful and it is right to fear it because of the harm it causes. Yet you seem to contradict your own words by stating “but that cause me NO Fear”. The only solution I can think of that removes that conflict in your words is if you are using the word “fear” differently than it is used in the clause “fear of God“.
Gene Balthrop wrote:
Quote I just believe, God's way is the best way to live and experience Life and ALL his commandments are Holy Just and GOOD. They are given out of Gods Love For us and He wants us to enjoy life with him and Have love and peace with each other.
If this is true then you “fear God” as you know his commands are loving and disobeying them is harmful to you.
Kerwin…….You have not learned to fear not to touch a hot object, you have learned that it will burn you if you do, fear has nothing to do with it. You don't touch a hot pan because of fear but because of Knowledge and understanding. FEAR produces Phobias and all kind of terrors and is a destructive force and should only come to play in life and death situations. It causes adrenaline to be released in our bodies for self protection. The word fear used in scripture should be rendered , reverence and respect, ( not fear and trembling) Remember it says “we have NOT come unto that Mountain to FEAR as THEY DID”.Peace and love…………………gene
Gene Balthrop, Princess of the King, and Terraricca;
You need to familarize yourself with the English language and how the words “fear” and “phobia” are used is used.
merriam-webster.com reads:
Quote Main Entry: pho·bia
Pronunciation: \ˈfō-bē-ə\
Function: noun
Etymology: -phobia
Date: 1786
: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situationand
merriam-webster.com reads:
Quote Main Entry: fear
Pronunciation: \ˈfir\
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English feren, from Old English fǣran, from fǣr
Date: before 12th century
transitive verb
1 archaic : frighten
2 archaic : to feel fear in (oneself)
3 : to have a reverential awe of
4 : to be afraid of : expect with alarm
intransitive verb
: to be afraid or apprehensive— fear·er noun
As you can see you by comparing them that they are not even the same part of speech though phobia is the name of a particular type of fear.
A phobia would be if instead of just being afraid of burning myself on hot pans I became fearful of burning myself on any pan.
I am stating that fear of God means to be afraid of the results of sin. If you believe in God that is a completely reasonable fear.
Hi KW,
You cannot be led by the Spirit while living in fear of sin.
Either you are in control or God's Spirit is.
Man prefers the fantasy of control.Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2010,16:34) Gene Balthrop, Princess of the King, and Terraricca; You need to familarize yourself with the English language and how the words “fear” and “phobia” are used is used.
merriam-webster.com reads:
Quote Main Entry: pho·bia
Pronunciation: \ˈfō-bē-ə\
Function: noun
Etymology: -phobia
Date: 1786
: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situationand
merriam-webster.com reads:
Quote Main Entry: fear
Pronunciation: \ˈfir\
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English feren, from Old English fǣran, from fǣr
Date: before 12th century
transitive verb
1 archaic : frighten
2 archaic : to feel fear in (oneself)
3 : to have a reverential awe of
4 : to be afraid of : expect with alarm
intransitive verb
: to be afraid or apprehensive— fear·er noun
As you can see you by comparing them that they are not even the same part of speech though phobia is the name of a particular type of fear.
A phobia would be if instead of just being afraid of burning myself on hot pans I became fearful of burning myself on any pan.
I am stating that fear of God means to be afraid of the results of sin. If you believe in God that is a completely reasonable fear.
KWsorry ,but i have to say that the fear of God is only in the beginning of wisdom and the reason of it is that wen you acquire knowledge of God the fear goes away and love moves in to replace it.
just as with the pan wen you have learned to use it properly you respect it and enjoy cooking without that fear because of your now acquired knowledge.
Terraricca,
I still believe you do not properly understand how the word “fear” is used in the English language.
I can assure you that one can be afraid of burning oneself and yet enjoy cooking. The fear merely leads you to take the necessary precautions to prevent you from being burned.
Fear is part of knowing God. When you fear God you know that what he commands you is beneficial and that disobedience is harmful.
Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2010,17:01) Terraricca, I still believe you do not properly understand how the word “fear” is used in the English language.
I can assure you that one can be afraid of burning oneself and yet enjoy cooking. The fear merely leads you to take the necessary precautions to prevent you from being burned.
Fear is part of knowing God. When you fear God you know that what he commands you is beneficial and that disobedience is harmful.
KWi understand what you are saying ,but i think you did not understand what i said.
knowledge and understanding remove fear but it does not remove the possibility of being burned.
you just walk with more confidence knowing that there is no danger providing you take some precaution.
To Gene Balthrop, Princess of the King, and Terraricca;
Here is a scripture that uses the word “afraid” in the sense I am using the word “fear”.
Matthew 10:28(KJV) reads:
Quote And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Kwewin………..Look up the Word translated there for Fear, and you will find it means reverence and respect. Jesus was telling us to basically not to be worried about them that can kill our bodies and can do no More to Us, But have respect and reverence to him that can destory BOTH BODY and SOUL In the GRAVE.
Here is something for you to deal with, “NOTHING IS PERFECTED (IN) FEAR, FOR FEAR HAS TORMENT”. LOVE CASTS (OUT) fear. So I would ask you what are you casting (IN) is it not fear you preach. WE are told GOD Is LOVE, NOT FEAR.
Your example of fear of something Hot is pure nonsense , none of us (FEAR) to touch something HOT, we simply KNOW Wat the RESULTS would be, and Chose not to injure or harm ourselves. Fear does not even enter into it. Now if someone was going to brand me with a hot Iron i might then fear , because i know what the heat would do to me, But that is only if my life is in threat of being forcefully subject to it. All who live their life in FEAR are FAITHLESS, and UNBELIEVING as Scripture says. Fear-mongers will have their part in the lake of fire.
Don't try to deceive us with what a Phobia is either, It is a terror induced by fear. It restricts and constricts normal behavior and is very damaging to anyone who is plagued with them. Ask and psychologist .
There is also an example you might consider to read in scripture , that is when Israel sent out the spies to spy out the land and when they came back they were so fear full they detoured Israel from going in to the promised Land and they were turned back to the wilderness for forty years, But Caleb and Joshua had a different spirit in them and were not fear full as the rest were , and they only were allowed to enter the promised land along with those below 20 yrs of age. All the rests carcases fell in the Wilderness, because of their unbelief we are told. They were the fearful and unbelieving ones.
Here is also something for you ” FOR YOU HAVE (NOT) COME UNTO THAT MOUNTAIN TO (FEAR) AS THEY DID” , “BUT UNTO THAT HEAVENLY CITY WHOSE BUILDER AND MAKER IS GOD”. Kerwin think about it.
peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
G,
So you are needed here to translate fear as worry?
You should not add to nor take away from scriptureNick…………Look up the word used there < you will find it should be rendered (respect or reverence) , Fear is (NOT) the proper wording there. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand Jesus was telling us Not to Worry about some who could Kill our bodies and after that do nothing else.
So let me rephrase it for you in proper translations…… Jesus said (respect or reverence) not him who can Kill the body and after that can do nothing else , But (respect and reverence) Him who can destory (BOTH) Body and Soul in Hell or the (grave). Nick before you argue with me check it out first. It might save us both some frustration here. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Gene Balthrop,
So we Jesus is teaching us not to give “means reverence and respect” to those who would kill the body.
That certainly seems to contradict scriptures that tells you to obey the authorities God placed over you.
Why did he bother mentioning “kill the body” or “destroy both soul and body in hell” if he did not mean fear?
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