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Quote (davidbfun @ July 28 2010,04:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 27 2010,18:29) Hi DBF,
God has an EARTHLY body because he sits on a throne??
Hi Nick,When did I say an earthly body?
Hi Nick,Do you misquote to mislead?
The concept is that he has a “body”.
And God is spirit.
You got the prince and king right, what about this?
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 27 2010,15:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2010,05:37) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 26 2010,15:34) Hi SF,
That is from catholic theology not scripture.
God does not live in sinners.
Hi Nick,Thanks for that. I here the omnipresence thing alot, but don't ever remember seeing it in scripture.
mike
paslms 139
I read that God's spirit can be anywhere the psalmist goes. I don't read “omnipresent”.mike
Hi dbf
You said
“God is sitting on a throne (means He has a physical body”What is you concept of PHYSICAL?
Visible or palpable?
Does it contrast with spiritual?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2010,09:10) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 27 2010,15:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2010,05:37) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 26 2010,15:34) Hi SF,
That is from catholic theology not scripture.
God does not live in sinners.
Hi Nick,Thanks for that. I here the omnipresence thing alot, but don't ever remember seeing it in scripture.
mike
paslms 139
I read that God's spirit can be anywhere the psalmist goes. I don't read “omnipresent”.mike
Wow, so you believe that God is not omnipresent.
That is very Good to know.Quote (davidbfun @ July 27 2010,04:22) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 26 2010,22:31) Quote (davidbfun @ July 22 2010,06:26) Quote (JustAskin @ July 21 2010,06:05) SF, This is coincidental that I was speaking with my cousin about this late Sunday evening.
Jesus is said to be on the righthand of God. But God is also said to be on the righthand of Jesus…find it in the Scriptures!
How can this be, I quipped?
He made some questionable responses.
The facts are these:
God is Spirit
Spirit is omnipresent
Omnipresent is not left, right, up, down, centre (Center) or in any other Earthly Minded physicalbased position, or orientation.Therefore, the 'Righthand' of God, the Righthand of Spirit, means, 'In the RIGHT', in the RIGHTNESS, in the RIGHTeousNESS.
So, Jesus is in the Righteousness of God, his Father, and God his Father, is in the Righteousness of Jesus, His Son.
Further, Facing God…only the righteous can 'face' God, look upon the 'face' of God, and God only looks upon the 'face' of the Righteous.
Stand in front of, and facing, your partner but slightly to one side. Are you not on the righthand of your partner, and your partner on the righthand of you?
Hello JA,As I understand what you are saying is that God does not have a body? Is this correct? Is this true?
David
You do understand that God is ominpresent,Which means that he cannot be limited into one space, he is everywhere at once.
So…..to just be a body, is a limitation.
Hi SF,Thanks for responding. Without knowing how you thought I couldn't reply.
First of all, the Scriptures were excellent when pointing out the “Right hand of God”.
And then came the problem:
God is sitting on a throne (means He has a physical body).
IF sitting on a throne THEN He can't be everywhere (omnipresent).How to reconcile or explain this problem?
God is everywhere!
AND
God is in Heaven sitting on a throne.
Both are true ONLY if you have TWO essences within ONE God.
YHVH = sitting on the throne and is King
Holy Spirit = everywhereIf Holy Spirit is everywhere then “it” can't be a force of YHVH because it is unlimited whereas YHVH is limited. (Not better or greater; different).
What't the whole purpose of the Bible telling us information and then not listening to it?
Jesus' body was not in the tomb when the Marys went. He bodily resurrected and everyone watched him go up in the clouds. He SITS next to God at His right hand (yes this is the most powerful position next to the King).
Why deny what is written? Jesus is not spirit and the person to his left is not spirit.
Let me ask this, “When does Jesus become “spirit”?
How is Jesus “Prince of Peace” and then “King of kings?” Why the two? Prince,,,King.
The fact that God is eternal, means he is within eternity.
Eternity which means forever.Which means since he is above time,
And since God is the same yesturday, today, and forever means he is not limited.God is love? is love limited? The God who cant be seen? How can you love someone who you cannot see, and be with someone who cant not be seen.
Quote God is sitting on a throne (means He has a physical body).
IF sitting on a throne THEN He can't be everywhere (omnipresent).
Its says he has a throne, however it does not say he has a phyiscal body. thats a conjecture to assume such a thing. You can believe that all you want though.
What is his true throne? if not everywhere.Quote How to reconcile or explain this problem? God is everywhere!
AND
God is in Heaven sitting on a throne.
both.Quote If Holy Spirit is everywhere then “it” can't be a force of YHVH because it is unlimited whereas YHVH is limited. (Not better or greater; different). What't the whole purpose of the Bible telling us information and then not listening to it?
So YHVH is limited? in what sense? The All mighty God is limited?Quote Jesus' body was not in the tomb when the Marys went. He bodily resurrected and everyone watched him go up in the clouds. He SITS next to God at His right hand (yes this is the most powerful position next to the King).
Yet Jesus says he will never leave us?Quote Why deny what is written? Jesus is not spirit and the person to his left is not spirit. Let me ask this, “When does Jesus become “spirit”?
How is Jesus “Prince of Peace” and then “King of kings?” Why the two? Prince,,,King.
I never said he was.
Because he is. >Anyways,
God in revelations is presented to be the source of light that there wont even be a shadow existing. That means that even from his throne, he will be everywhere at one time. Why do i say this, because since there is no need of the sun, and God will be our light, than even within our bodys there will be Light and all around us.As the Scriptures claim him to be the God who maybe all in all.
the God of everything.
Its very simple logic. to believe that he his totality is limited is strange.I see it like this. You know an expression of who i am, to know every detail of my life, thoughts, personality, everything about me, would probably kill you. to know everything abuot God, his full personality will killl you, i.e. his throne. his FULLNESS.
Thats why just a touch of him was enough to scare the people from the mountain where Moses met up with him.The Totality of God is not limited but eteranal.
There is no fixed place to limit God into.just like love is not limited to a throne, it is expressed through out our daily life, having an omnipresence of its own.
You can never love to much. the more you love, the more it grows.Psalms 139 does speak of Gods spirit. Where you can run away from it? even the darkness he see's you, i b
elieve the context, even though most will cliam it speaks of the holy spirit, i strongly believe that the verse speaks of God, and how we can never runaway from him.
How can we escape?
This very same God that created the worlds only from the throne?
oh ya i forgot that was Jesus… whoops. =PAnyways,
No one has seen God,
God is called invisble by the way by Paul.Jesus is the image of the INVISIBLE GOD.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2010,09:10) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 27 2010,15:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2010,05:37) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 26 2010,15:34) Hi SF,
That is from catholic theology not scripture.
God does not live in sinners.
Hi Nick,Thanks for that. I here the omnipresence thing alot, but don't ever remember seeing it in scripture.
mike
paslms 139
I read that God's spirit can be anywhere the psalmist goes. I don't read “omnipresent”.mike
Your avatar is omnipresentQuote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 01 2010,17:52) Wow, so you believe that God is not omnipresent.
That is very Good to know.
Like I said to Nick, this is just a concept I've seen posted many times, but I have never looked into it.The Bible talks of angels on horses roaming the earth to prepare a report for God on the state of the earth.
We read of children's angels seeing God's face daily to report.
We read about God not knowing about Cain murdering Abel until he comes looking for them.
What do you think about these scriptures, Dennison? Like I said, this is new to me. I haven't even looked into it.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 01 2010,23:22) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 01 2010,17:52) Wow, so you believe that God is not omnipresent.
That is very Good to know.
Like I said to Nick, this is just a concept I've seen posted many times, but I have never looked into it.The Bible talks of angels on horses roaming the earth to prepare a report for God on the state of the earth.
We read of children's angels seeing God's face daily to report.
We read about God not knowing about Cain murdering Abel until he comes looking for them.
What do you think about these scriptures, Dennison? Like I said, this is new to me. I haven't even looked into it.
peace and love,
mike
What do you mean when you say new to you?
like literally you never discussed this?The bible does speak of angels and that they are roaming the earth.
chlidrens angels? is this biblical?
Did God really not know about Cain and Abel?
I think im going to steal one of your points that i have commonly heard you use.
God can do anything correct? simply because he wanted to he could saved the world a different way, even though he chose to do it a specfic way, than i can also say that God is so power to be everywhere at once.
Why is this so hard to believe? Can the Totality of the eternal power of God be limited to a physical body?
Can God have a literal Right hand?
In other words when the bible says that we are in the likeness of the image of God we can almost replace the word likeness with proportional.
think abuot it.
compare our right arm that can reach a certain distance, compared to God who can reach ANY distance?
And Which Scriptures do you speak of Mike?
I cannot possibly phanthom that God is limited into a body.
if that were true, than your only helping the Trinitarians in their cause to make Jesus God.Much love Mikey
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 02 2010,19:17) The bible does speak of angels and that they are roaming the earth. chlidrens angels? is this biblical?
Matthew 18:10
“See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.Zech 1:10-11
10Right away, the man standing among the myrtle trees said, “These are the ones the LORD has sent to find out what's happening on earth.”11Then the riders spoke to the LORD's angel, who was standing among the myrtle trees, and they said, “We have gone everywhere and have discovered that the whole world is at peace.”
Good enough?
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2010,09:20) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 02 2010,19:17) The bible does speak of angels and that they are roaming the earth. chlidrens angels? is this biblical?
Matthew 18:10
“See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.Zech 1:10-11
10Right away, the man standing among the myrtle trees said, “These are the ones the LORD has sent to find out what's happening on earth.”11Then the riders spoke to the LORD's angel, who was standing among the myrtle trees, and they said, “We have gone everywhere and have discovered that the whole world is at peace.”
Good enough?
mike
oh ok cool, i never thought about Children having angels, but thats great to know. but i assumed that Cheribums are the only angels that can be in the presence of God in the throne, from what i learned, but idk, how the whole angel thing works anyways, i have learned alot about the subject, and about their roles and stuff, but it can get confusing.
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