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Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2012,08:05) Quote (Stu @ July 10 2012,18:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 10 2012,02:33) Hi Stuart, You cannot see your mind, only it's effects.
You cannot see God, you can only see his effects.
You cannot see God mind like you cannot see your mind.Hope this helps,
Ed J
You hope it helps what?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Your understanding through comparative analysis.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj,Doesnt' your proof come by numbers? What is the difference when Stuart wants to see something too?
Or did I miss something along the way.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 11 2012,10:16) Quote (Stu @ July 08 2012,22:56) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2012,03:42) Quote (Stu @ July 08 2012,05:30) It is a good question to ask what a god looks like, and no one should accept the answer that it is invisible / shy / “outside time” or any other nonsense.
And can you see an atom with the naked human eye, Stu? Hmmm…………… since you can't, I guess they don't really exist.
Surely you don't believe that the only things that exist are the things we can see with our eyes, do you?
We can see atoms with our eyes, there they are.
My naked human eye was not seeing a platinum atom, but an image produced from a very powerful electron microscope.
An STM microscope, in fact. But what is the problem with that? Would you discount all the people who need strong glasses to see things? What is the difference?You've seen atoms with your eyes, that's all you requested. In fact you are still seeing atoms right now, it's just you can't resolve them as individual particles at the wavelengths you are using to see. That's not my fault.
Quote Shall I draw a picture of God and tell you, We can see God with our eyes, there He is?
I didn't show you a drawing of atoms, I showed you a video image of atoms. So, no I don't want your drawings, I either want a photograph (like I gave you) or a consistent and plausible explanation for why you cannot provide a photograph.Quote Can you look at a piece of platinum with your naked eye and see the atoms that comprise it? NO. Does that mean those atoms don't exist?
Please see above. I showed you a photograph, and explained what I would accept as an alternative to a photograph, and you have provided neither.Why did you even reply?
Quote I only commented because of the weak statement you made. Surely you are more intelligent than to say, We can't SEE it, therefore it doesn't exist, right?
It's not my claim that is the weak one.Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2012,08:05) Quote (Stu @ July 10 2012,18:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 10 2012,02:33) Hi Stuart, You cannot see your mind, only it's effects.
You cannot see God, you can only see his effects.
You cannot see God mind like you cannot see your mind.Hope this helps,
Ed J
You hope it helps what?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Your understanding through comparative analysis.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Understand what?Stuart
Quote (princess @ July 12 2012,12:27) Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2012,08:05) Quote (Stu @ July 10 2012,18:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 10 2012,02:33) Hi Stuart, You cannot see your mind, only it's effects.
You cannot see God, you can only see his effects.
You cannot see God mind like you cannot see your mind.Hope this helps,
Ed J
You hope it helps what?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Your understanding through comparative analysis.
God bless
Ed J
Edj,Doesnt' your proof come by numbers? What is the difference when Stuart wants to see something too?
Or did I miss something along the way.
Hi Princess,Stuart has made it clear that he really doesn't want to see proof.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 13 2012,15:37) Quote (princess @ July 12 2012,12:27) Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2012,08:05) Quote (Stu @ July 10 2012,18:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 10 2012,02:33) Hi Stuart, You cannot see your mind, only it's effects.
You cannot see God, you can only see his effects.
You cannot see God mind like you cannot see your mind.Hope this helps,
Ed J
You hope it helps what?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Your understanding through comparative analysis.
God bless
Ed J
Edj,Doesnt' your proof come by numbers? What is the difference when Stuart wants to see something too?
Or did I miss something along the way.
Hi Princess,Stuart has made it clear that he really doesn't want to see proof.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You've made it clear you don't understand what your numbers mean.Stuart
Can you look at a piece of platinum with your naked eye and see the individual atoms that comprise it in their microscopic forms? YES or NO?
If “NO”, then your original statement on this thread is null and void. No further questions. You may take your seat.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2012,05:01) Can you look at a piece of platinum with your naked eye and see the individual atoms that comprise it in their microscopic forms? YES or NO? If “NO”, then your original statement on this thread is null and void. No further questions. You may take your seat.
I didn't say anything about platinum atoms in the initial point I made. I asked why the bible doesn't have a picture of the deity on the front cover, in the manner of Origin of Species or other books dealing with things that really exist. You were the one that mentioned atoms, and I don't see what it has to do with my question. What you are attempting here is the logical fallacy of red herring.Do you have an explanation for why there is no photograph of your god on the front of the bible? Looks like the answer is no.
Christianity: the religion for people who aren't that good at joined-up thinking.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 15 2012,17:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2012,05:01) Can you look at a piece of platinum with your naked eye and see the individual atoms that comprise it in their microscopic forms? YES or NO? If “NO”, then your original statement on this thread is null and void. No further questions. You may take your seat.
I didn't say anything about platinum atoms in the initial point I made. I asked why the bible doesn't have a picture of the deity on the front cover, in the manner of Origin of Species or other books dealing with things that really exist. You were the one that mentioned atoms, and I don't see what it has to do with my question. What you are attempting here is the logical fallacy of red herring.Do you have an explanation for why there is no photograph of your god on the front of the bible? Looks like the answer is no.
Christianity: the religion for people who aren't that good at joined-up thinking.
Stuart
You are forbidden to try to create an image of God and no one could have taken an image of God so your point is mootQuote (TimothyVI @ July 15 2012,19:09) I saw a picture of Jesus. He has blond hair and blue eyes.
Tim
At last, someone has made progress on this.So, by the principle of the Trinity, presumably it would be safe to put the same photograph of a blue-eyed blond European on the front of the bible over the caption “The Judeo-christian deity”.
Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 15 2012,17:51) You are forbidden to try to create an image of God and no one could have taken an image of God so your point is moot
Hilarious.Tell us another.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 13 2012,14:36) Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2012,08:05) Quote (Stu @ July 10 2012,18:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 10 2012,02:33) Hi Stuart, You cannot see your mind, only it's effects.
You cannot see God, you can only see his effects.
You cannot see God mind like you cannot see your mind.Hope this helps,
Ed J
You hope it helps what?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Your understanding through comparative analysis.
God bless
Ed J
Understand what?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Why you can't see God of course.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 15 2012,21:18) Quote (Stu @ July 13 2012,14:36) Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2012,08:05) Quote (Stu @ July 10 2012,18:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 10 2012,02:33) Hi Stuart, You cannot see your mind, only it's effects.
You cannot see God, you can only see his effects.
You cannot see God mind like you cannot see your mind.Hope this helps,
Ed J
You hope it helps what?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Your understanding through comparative analysis.
God bless
Ed J
Understand what?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Why you can't see God of course.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You wrote this in your attempt to “help me understand” why I can't see god (remember the question is about why there isn't a picture of your god on the front of its bloodthirsty autobiography):“You cannot see your mind, only it's effects.”
A red herring, I'm not asking about my mind.
“You cannot see God, you can only see his effects.
You cannot see God mind like you cannot see your mind.”You are just asserting that you can't see this god thing and making an analogy for your parroted assertion, you aren't doing what I asked, which is to explain why.
Christianity: the religion for those whose attempts at explanation are the clanging bell that has no love of curiosity.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,
Spirit occupies the same space as other material objects, like your mind is within your brain.
And in comparison God tabernacles within Christian believers, so you will see God through us.Hope this helps,
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 15 2012,22:27) Hi Stuart, Spirit occupies the same space as other material objects, like your mind is within your brain.
And in comparison God tabernacles within Christian believers, so you will see God through us.Hope this helps,
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No picture of a god on the front of the bible. Why not?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 16 2012,01:27) No picture of a god on the front of the bible. Why not? Stuart
Hi Stuart,They didn't have photography, but for about the last 100 years.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ July 15 2012,00:02) I asked why the bible doesn't have a picture of the deity on the front cover, in the manner of Origin of Species or other books dealing with things that really exist.
Exodus 33:20
But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”Deuteronomy 4
15 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape…………John 1:18
No one has ever seen God………John 6:46
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God…1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God……….Does this answer your question, Stu? Human beings cannot see God, therefore we don't know what He looks like, therefore we would not be able to draw or form an image of Him – even if it wasn't forbidden for us to do so.
But on a side note, thousands of people have seen Jesus, ergo, Jesus is not the invisible God whom no man has ever seen.
Does the fact that we are not, in human form, able to see our Creator mean He doesn't exist?
^^^^
Then why did all of these people lie about seeing God?
Genesis 32:30
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Genesis 35:9
And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him.
Exodus 24:9-11
Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel … They saw God, and did eat and drink.
Exodus 33:11
And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.
Exodus 33:23
And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts.
Numbers 14:14
For they have heard that thou Lord art among this people, that thou Lord art seen face to face.
Deuteronomy 5:4
The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire.
Deuteronomy 34:10
And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face.
Judges 13:22
And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
Job 42:5
I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
Isaiah 6:1
In the year that King Ussiah died, I saw, also, the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up.
Isaiah 6:5
For mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
Ezekiel 20:35
And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
Amos 9:1
I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake.Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ July 15 2012,12:52) ^^^^ Then why did all of these people lie about seeing God?
Genesis 32:30
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.Judges 13:22
And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
Hosea 12
2 The LORD has a charge to bring against Judah;
he will punish Jacob according to his ways
and repay him according to his deeds.
3 In the womb he grasped his brother’s heel;
as a man he struggled with God.
4 He struggled with the angel and overcame him;
he wept and begged for his favor.Jacob did not wrestle with or see God. He wrestled with and saw an angel of God. Many times in the OT, the angel God sent is called by the name YHWH, because he is a vice-regent of YHWH. You'll notice that even though Hosea knows it was an angel Jacob struggled against, he still says in verse 3 that Jacob struggled against “God”, or possibly “a god” (as angels were sometimes called).
It is similar with Judges 13:22. It is clear from verse 21 that Manoah realized it was an angel of God. It is hard to tell if, in verse 22, he is saying “we have seen God” – applying the title “God” to God's vice-regent……………. or if he meant “we have seen a god” – referring to the mighty spiritual being they had seen.
Shall I continue with some of the other verses you posted?
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