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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2012,14:22) Hi T,
Satan is called the serpent in rev 12 yet the serpent was his vessel.
Nstill don't get it
Terricca………..The word SERPENT is a symbolization , You have to understand it is referencing a “NATURE” a SPIRIT, That works in People that turns them from GOD and his words. It was (IN) Adam and EVE and caused them to disobey GOD , (IT )was (IN) Peter and caused him to resist Jesus, (IT) was (IN) Judas and caused him to betray Jesus, (IT) was(IN) the Pharisees who resisted the words of GOD and (IT) is (IN) Many now who also change and resist Gods word and the truth> Satan is not a “BEING” (IT) is a SPIRIT that work in all flesh and must be MASTERED as GOD told CAIN. It is like a LION that Crouches at all men DOORS (HEARTS) ready to leap and kill them. We can overcome it with the POWER of GOD Just as Jesus also did. IMO
peace and love……………………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 16 2012,09:52) Terricca………..The word SERPENT is a symbolization , You have to understand it is referencing a “NATURE” a SPIRIT, That works in People that turns them from GOD and his words. It was (IN) Adam and EVE and caused them to disobey GOD , (IT )was (IN) Peter and caused him to resist Jesus, (IT) was (IN) Judas and caused him to betray Jesus, (IT) was(IN) the Pharisees who resisted the words of GOD and (IT) is (IN) Many now who also change and resist Gods word and the truth> Satan is not a “BEING” (IT) is a SPIRIT that work in all flesh and must be MASTERED as GOD told CAIN. It is like a LION that Crouches at all men DOORS (HEARTS) ready to leap and kill them. We can overcome it with the POWER of GOD Just as Jesus also did. IMO peace and love……………………………………………..gene
Gquite right
No GB,
Satan is a being that will be cast into the everlasting fire.
But his dominion of darkness is via his evil spirits that made their abode in men.
Adam and Eve were part of the very good creation of God and only became unclean by obedience to the serpent.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2012,07:14) Hi ED,
Can you judge?
“He that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.” (1 Cor 2:15)Hi Ed,
But a spiritual man must check his teachings by the Word and by witnesses.
Line by line…Our freedom is not licentiousness but service
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2012,14:00) Hi KW,
Where is Satan spoken of in Ez 28?
Any witnessing verses?Yes the serpent vessel was cursed and still slithers over the ground.
Nick,Satan was also cursed for the seed of Satan has bit the heel of the seed of the woman in crucifying Jesus; and his head will be crushed under her feet even as it is written:
Romans 16:20
King James Version (KJV)20And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
Both the serpent and the woman are used in Revelations.
As you stated Satan; a guardian cherub was in Eden; and sin was found in him when he chose to tempt Eve to do evil. He is the Archetype of king of Tyrus and others; and therefore God uses Ezekiel to address the king as such.
Hi KW,
Your quote of my words is inaccurate.Satan was a murderer from the beginning and that was before he tempted Eve.
Satan now is subject to the adopted sons of God and they raid his fiefdom.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,05:07) Hi KW,
Your quote of my words is inaccurate.Satan was a murderer from the beginning and that was before he tempted Eve.
Satan now is subject to the adopted sons of God and they raid his fiefdom.
Nick,He murdered the truth when he tempted Eve.
He became a murder of men when Cain slew Abel.
Both those events happened in the beginning of the world.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,06:39) Hi KW,
Do you think he decided to become evil at the beginning of genesis?
Nick,According to Genesis the Heavens were created at the same time earth was and the Sky was not created till the Second Day. Satan was not created before the Heavens.
Job 38
King James Version (KJV)4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?Satan was one of those that sang and shouted with joy when foundations of the foundation of the world were set.
The first time he is recorded as sinning is when he used the serpent to tempt Eve.
As I pointed out, Ezekiel used him as a type to rebuke a king.
HI KW,
The laying of the foundations preceded Genesis.
The earth was there but formless and voidAre you sure he could sing?
Nick……….There is NO SATAN “BEING” there is a deceptive “SPIRIT” INTELLECT) that works in the childern of Disobedience it was working in Adam and Eve and IN Jesus also and Jesus mastered it in the Wilderness by the WORDS of GOD. This was not a separate “BEING” But a SPIRIT at work (IN) Him and He by the SPIRIT of GOD OVERCAME OR MASTERED IT> It was Cain who was the first “BORN” Human BEING to be overcome by that EVIL WORKING SUBTLE SPIRIT and was MARKED as such, He was the first Murder and also a LIER. That is who Jesus was talking about it was CAIN>a human being, who was in the beginning. IMO
peace and love…………………………………………..gene
Hi Gb,
Yes you have always maintained this odd view despite scripture.
No point in offering any help to those trapped in the swamp of their own ideas.Nick……… It is not ODD just p[ut the scriptures together. Who has seen a Satan “BEING” Lately. in fact who has seen ANY SPIRIT “BEINGS” lately, Mystery religion turn a lot of things that are spiritual Perceptions or intellects or attributes into “BEINGS” as WISDOM and SATAN, and DEMONS, and JESUS and on and on it goes. But unfortunately no one seems to see those SPIRIT “BEINGS” ONLY those who take Scriptures that are not meant to be taken literally but symbolically or as a Personification come up with all kinds of false meanings of Spirits change them to meaning “SPIRIT BODIES” . WE must believe what Jesus himself said about spirits and what they are. IMO and No where did he say they were Beings with BODIES of any kind.
peace and love…………………………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,09:30) HI KW,
The laying of the foundations preceded Genesis.
The earth was there but formless and voidAre you sure he could sing?
Nick,The heavens is listed first and then the earth so the heavens may well have existed when the foundation of earth was laid.
Why would you think Satan, who was an angel of light before his fall, cannot sing?
His first sin recorded in Scripture is the temptation of Eve. Do you know of an earlier one mentioned?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 17 2012,07:47) Hi KW,
Just because our recording of history begins at Gen 1 does not mean it began then.
Nick,I cannot say for sure as that is speculation I can say that Satan was a covering cherub decked out in more than Salomon's glory. I also know he was in Eden and that inequity was found in him when he tempted Eve by murdering the truth. The curses that fell on the serpent; fell on Satan as well; as while the serpent was cursed to crawl on the ground, Satan fell from heaven.
It is plausible that Satan committed an inequity prior to tempting Eve; but doubtful as he is the accuser of the brethren, Revelations 12:10.
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