Reincarnation

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,06:38)

Hi ED, You spoke of rebellious angels. Do you not think EVIL should be applied to them?

Hi Nick,

That is the question I have been asking you?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,06:38)

Hi ED, What do you mean?

This…

Preexistence: To exist in spirit form before becoming incarnated as a human.

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Then lets withdraw the word EVIL and us yours REBELLIOUS.

[GeneBalthrop]

ED j………..My point was that the PREFECTS (RE) and (PRE) both can show a Past state of existence. For instance if i say I re-connected the plug that implies it already per-existed plugged in before. What you are saying is the a SOUL DOES NOT (INCLUDE a BODY) Like a SPIRIT outside of a BODY as a BEING would be, but both are false conclusions becasue there exist not SOUL outside of a BODY, and a SPIRIT is NOT a BEING of any KIND, It is an attribute or Aspects of a “BEING” so no Spirit exist as BEING of any kind (ITSELF). It must be put in a VESSEL (BODY) in order to exist as a “LIVING BEING” or a “LIVING SOUL” The whole idea us Preexisting before out Berths is Just not a true Doctrine Edj. IMO

While GOD may have Foreknow us in (HIS) MIND but that does not mean we preexisted as “BEINGS” of any kind before our berth on this earth. You have no Proof of any scriptures that show we did preexisted and I certainly have no recollection of any Preexistence. To draw conclusions not based on CLEAR SCRIPTURAL documentation is just a assumption. IMO

peace and love…………………………………………………………………….gene

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ April 09 2012,12:30)

Hi Nick, So we can have a cohesive dialog, it therefore becomes necessary to know what “exactly” we are discussing.  Defining the terms… Reincarnation:  The belief that the soul, upon death of the body,                           comes back to earth in another body or form. Preexistence:  To exist in spirit form before becoming incarnated as a human. I therefore need to know what you are calling 'an Evil Angel', so I can be clear as to what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Nick,

Do you agree with the terms that I have given?

עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,07:05)

Hi ED, Then lets withdraw the word EVIL and us yours REBELLIOUS.

NO DEAL!

                              'This is a dichotomy'.  
                   
You started this thread because you claim that  you are against making assumptions,  yet you
want me  to make an assumption  as to what a term means that I have never heard before?

                             
           

I need to know what you are calling 'an Evil Angel',
so I can be clear as to what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

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Do you know what the meaning of a 'hypocrite' is, Nick?
You declare I should not make assumptions,
yet you insist that I make one.

This is PROOF that you are indeed a 'hypocrite'!
You can prove that you really do not want to be one,
by simply defining the term YOU used: 'an Evil Angel'?

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,09:08)

Quote (Ed J @ April 07 2012,20:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,19:55) Hi ED, You indicated previously that you sought to find agreement and avoid contention . What has changed your approach? Surely a simple explanation of how REBELLIOUS angels can become men would suffice. Your diversion has given you the time to find one surely? Hi Nick, Do you consider “rebellious Angels” to be synonymous with what you have labeled as 'an evil Angel' ? God bless Ed J Hi ED, Rebellion is only one sin. Does sin make one evil?

Hi Nick,

(Leverage) Are you trying to get me to define THE TERM YOU USED?

Or

(Help) Are you giving me hints to the differences between
what is “a rebellious Angel” and what is 'an evil Angel'?

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Jesus gave a parable that I would like to share with you, Nick:    

(Help) “A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.

(Leverage) And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
Whether of them twain did the will of his father?” (Matt 21:28-31)

(PS> Angels are called “Son's of God” see Job.38:7)

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You “CAN” tell me which one is your approach! Leverage or help.

“For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor,
that, when I asked (Help) of them, could answer a word .  (Isaiah 41:28-29)
Behold, they are all vanity; their (Leverage) works are nothing:“

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,18:16)

Hi Ed, Despite our differences your light is encouraging. Keep up the good work.

<hr
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,12:32)

Hi Ed, So you say But it never related directly to your post. It is plain you will not preach these views readily so they must be unimportant to you.

Hi Nick,

I do agree in that the belief in “preexistence” is unimportant.
But if this is something you want to discuss,
I'm certainly willing to do so.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 09 2012,01:57)

ED j……….. What you are saying is the a SOUL DOES NOT (INCLUDE a BODY)

NO, that is what YOU are saying!

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 09 2012,01:57)

ED j………..My point was that the PREFECTS (RE) and (PRE)  both can show a Past state of existence. For instance if i say I re-connected the plug that implies it already per-existed plugged in before.  What you are saying is the a SOUL DOES NOT (INCLUDE a BODY) Like a SPIRIT outside of a BODY as a BEING would be,  but both are false conclusions becasue there exist not SOUL outside of a BODY, and a SPIRIT is NOT a BEING of any KIND, It is an attribute or Aspects of a “BEING” so no Spirit exist as BEING of any kind (ITSELF). It must be put in a VESSEL (BODY) in order to exist as a “LIVING BEING” or a “LIVING SOUL” The whole idea us Preexisting before out Berths is Just not a true Doctrine Edj. IMO While GOD may have Foreknow us in (HIS) MIND but that does not mean we preexisted as “BEINGS” of any kind before our berth on this earth. You have no Proof of any scriptures that show we did preexisted and I certainly have no recollection of any Preexistence. To draw conclusions not based on CLEAR SCRIPTURAL documentation  is just a assumption. IMO peace and love…………………………………………………………………….gene

Hi Gene,

So we can have a cohesive dialog, it therefore becomes necessary
to know what “exactly” we are discussing.  Defining the terms…

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Reincarnation:  The belief that the soul, upon death of the body,
                          comes back to earth in another body or form.

Preexistence:  To exist in spirit form before becoming incarnated as a human.

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Your definitions are “NOT” acceptable as you have proven
to not even know what the meaning of “Free Will” is!

To proceed with discourse, I therefore need to know:
Do you agree with the terms that I have given?
As this will be the bases for our discussion?

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org        

[NickHassan]

Quote (Ed J @ April 08 2012,06:48)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,06:38) Hi ED, What do you mean? This… Preexistence:  To exist in spirit form before becoming incarnated as a human.

Hi ED,
I agree that is a reasonable definition.
But it is not written.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Ed J @ April 08 2012,06:47)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,06:38) Hi ED, You spoke of rebellious angels. Do you not think EVIL should be applied to them? Hi Nick, That is the question I have been asking you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi ED,
Does evil behaviour make one evil?

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ April 09 2012,13:36)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,09:08) Quote (Ed J @ April 07 2012,20:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,19:55) Hi ED, You indicated previously that you sought to find agreement and avoid contention . What has changed your approach? Surely a simple explanation of how REBELLIOUS angels can become men would suffice. Your diversion has given you the time to find one surely? Hi Nick, Do you consider “rebellious Angels” to be synonymous with what you have labeled as 'an evil Angel' ? God bless Ed J Hi ED, Rebellion is only one sin. Does sin make one evil? Hi Nick, (Leverage) Are you trying to get me to define THE TERM YOU USED? Or (Help) Are you giving me hints to the differences between what is “a rebellious Angel” and what is 'an evil Angel'? Jesus gave a parable that I would like to share with you, Nick:     (Help) “A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. (Leverage) And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. Whether of them twain did the will of his father?” (Matt 21:28-31) (PS> Angels are called “Son's of God” see Job.38:7) You “CAN” tell me which one is your approach! Leverage or help. “For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor, that, when I asked (Help) of them, could answer a word .  (Isaiah 41:28-29) Behold, they are all vanity; their (Leverage) works are nothing:“ Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,18:16) Hi Ed, Despite our differences your light is encouraging. Keep up the good work. <hr Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Please answer this post; OK?

Is your approach one of Leverage or help?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,16:27)

Quote (Ed J @ April 08 2012,06:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,06:38) Hi ED, You spoke of rebellious angels. Do you not think EVIL should be applied to them? Hi Nick, That is the question I have been asking you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi ED, Does evil behaviour make one evil?

Please answer my previous post; OK?

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
If evil behaviour like rebellion does not make one evil then rebellious angels are not evil angels
if it does they are.
What do you think?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,16:26)

Quote (Ed J @ April 08 2012,06:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,06:38) Hi ED, What do you mean? This… Preexistence:  To exist in spirit form before becoming incarnated as a human. Hi ED, I agree that is a reasonable definition. But it is not written.

Great!   …we now know what we will be discussing once we get past two hurdles.

The two hurdles are:

1. Is your approach one of help or leverage.
2. How exactly do YOU define 'an evil Angel'.

Once we get past these two hurdles,
we will be in a position to begin
our Preexistence discussion.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,16:52)

Hi Ed, If evil behaviour like rebellion does not make one evil then rebellious angels are not evil angels if it does they are. What do you think?

Is your approach one of leverage or help?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,16:52)

Hi Ed, If evil behaviour like rebellion does not make one evil then rebellious angels are not evil angels if it does they are. What do you think?

What do you think?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,16:27)

Quote (Ed J @ April 08 2012,06:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,06:38) Hi ED, You spoke of rebellious angels. Do you not think EVIL should be applied to them? Hi Nick, That is the question I have been asking you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi ED, Does evil behaviour make one evil?

What do you think?

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
With men there is always hope of salvation but when angels rebel they have no remaining hope.
They are condemned. Perhaps they are evil?

But the eyes of God may not be as ours and the only evil angels shown in the bible are those who obediently cause harm

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