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- September 21, 2011 at 10:57 pm#259085ProclaimerParticipant
I thought we had a topic for quotes.
Couldn't find one, so will start one.September 21, 2011 at 11:04 pm#259087ProclaimerParticipant“To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson
”Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, …..give him power.” – Abraham Lincoln.
“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” – Albert Einstein
“Everyone is a Genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.” – Albert Einstein
September 22, 2011 at 12:19 am#259102mikeboll64Blockedt8, who is the author of your signature line? That's one of the best I've ever heard.
September 22, 2011 at 2:04 am#259115ProclaimerParticipantDunno. I just know it wasn't me.
Even a Google search doesn't give the answer immediately.September 22, 2011 at 6:13 am#259144ProclaimerParticipantJean-Jacques Rousseau
Tranquility is found also in dungeons; but is that enough to make them desirable places to live in?
The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society.
Money is the seed of money, and the first guinea is sometimes more difficult to acquire than the second million.
Man is born free; and everywhere he is in chains.
In the strict sense of the term, a true democracy has never existed, and never will exist. It is against natural order that the great number should govern and that the few should be governed.
Never exceed your rights, and they will soon become unlimited.
An honest man nearly always thinks justly.
All that time is lost which might be better employed.
Nature never deceives us; it is always we who deceive ourselves.
Although modesty is natural to man, it is not natural to children. Modesty only begins with the knowledge of evil… Blushes are the sign of guilt; true innocence is ashamed of nothing.
September 23, 2011 at 4:28 am#259221terrariccaParticipantOn Teaching
Kahlil GibranNo man can reveal to you aught but that which already lies half asleep in the dawning of your knowledge.
The teacher who walks in the shadow of the temple, among his followers, gives not of his wisdom but rather of his faith and his lovingness.
If he is indeed wise he does not bid you enter the house of his wisdom, but rather leads you to the threshold of your own mind.
The astronomer may speak to you of his understanding of space, but he cannot give you his understanding.
The musician may sing to you of the rhythm which is in all space, but he cannot give you the ear which arrests the rhythm nor the voice that echoes it.
And he who is versed in the science of numbers can tell of the regions of weight and measure, but he cannot conduct you thither.
For the vision of one man lends not its wings to another man.
And even as each one of you stands alone in God's knowledge, so must each one of you be alone in his knowledge of God and in his understanding of the earth.
September 23, 2011 at 4:34 am#259223terrariccaParticipantOn Freedom
Kahlil GibranAt the city gate and by your fireside I have seen you prostrate yourself and worship your own freedom,
Even as slaves humble themselves before a tyrant and praise him though he slays them.
Ay, in the grove of the temple and in the shadow of the citadel I have seen the freest among you wear their freedom as a yoke and a handcuff.
And my heart bled within me; for you can only be free when even the desire of seeking freedom becomes a harness to you, and when you cease to speak of freedom as a goal and a fulfilment.You shall be free indeed when your days are not without a care nor your nights without a want and a grief,
But rather when these things girdle your life and yet you rise above them naked and unbound.And how shall you rise beyond your days and nights unless you break the chains which you at the dawn of your understanding have fastened around your noon hour?
In truth that which you call freedom is the strongest of these chains, though its links glitter in the sun and dazzle your eyes.And what is it but fragments of your own self you would discard that you may become free?
If it is an unjust law you would abolish, that law was written with your own hand upon your own forehead.
You cannot erase it by burning your law books nor by washing the foreheads of your judges, though you pour the sea upon them.
And if it is a despot you would dethrone, see first that his throne erected within you is destroyed.
For how can a tyrant rule the free and the proud, but for a tyranny in their own freedom and a shame in their own pride?
And if it is a care you would cast off, that care has been chosen by you rather than imposed upon you.
And if it is a fear you would dispel, the seat of that fear is in your heart and not in the hand of the feared.Verily all things move within your being in constant half embrace, the desired and the dreaded, the repugnant and the cherished, the pursued and that which you would escape.
These things move within you as lights and shadows in pairs that cling.
And when the shadow fades and is no more, the light that lingers becomes a shadow to another light.
And thus your freedom when it loses its fetters becomes itself the fetter of a greater freedom.September 23, 2011 at 4:36 am#259224terrariccaParticipantOn Religion
Kahlil GibranHave I spoken this day of aught else?
Is not religion all deeds and all reflection,
And that which is neither deed nor reflection, but a wonder and a surprise ever springing in the soul, even while the hands hew the stone or tend the loom?
Who can separate his faith from his actions, or his belief from his occupations?
Who can spread his hours before him, saying, “This for God and this for myself; This for my soul, and this other for my body?”
All your hours are wings that beat through space from self to self.
He who wears his morality but as his best garment were better naked.
The wind and the sun will tear no holes in his skin.
And he who defines his conduct by ethics imprisons his song-bird in a cage.
The freest song comes not through bars and wires.
And he to whom worshipping is a window, to open but also to shut, has not yet visited the house of his soul whose windows are from dawn to dawn.Your daily life is your temple and your religion.
Whenever you enter into it take with you your all.
Take the plough and the forge and the mallet and the lute,
The things you have fashioned in necessity or for delight.
For in revery you cannot rise above your achievements nor fall lower than your failures.
And take with you all men:
For in adoration you cannot fly higher than their hopes nor humble yourself lower than their despair.And if you would know God be not therefore a solver of riddles.
Rather look about you and you shall see Him playing with your children.
And look into space; you shall see Him walking in the cloud, outstretching His arms in the lightning and descending in rain.
You shall see Him smiling in flowers, then rising and waving His hands in trees.September 25, 2011 at 8:01 am#259345StuParticipant“It was of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
Albert Einstein
September 25, 2011 at 8:03 am#259346StuParticipant“Millions long for immortality who don't know what to do on a rainy afternoon.”
Susan Ertz
September 25, 2011 at 8:23 am#259347StuParticipant“The splendour of human life, I feel sure, is greater to those who are not dazzled by the divine radiance.”
Bertrand Russell
September 25, 2011 at 10:07 am#259350ProclaimerParticipantQuote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2011,19:01) “It was of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”Albert Einstein At least he sees structure and order I suppose.If I remember, you deny design and cause for the universe. But everyone is blind to something I suppose. Albert included. Here are a few quotes from the (arguably) greatest physicist of all time. Sir Isaac Newton.
- I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.
- The Christian ministry is the worst of all trades, but the best of all professions.
- If I have seen further… it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants.I like the last one.
I am sure that Albert stood on Isaac’s shoulders, and am equally sure that Isaac never stood on Albert’s shoulders. But then again, neutrinos might go faster than light, so I won’t say that for sure…I guess when a man devotes much time to the personal God and another doesn’t, then the outcomes are no surprise. If you asked Isaac, “how much time did you devote to searching out God (personal God)”, he probably would have said, “60% of my study time as that is what the estimates are, with 40% for science”.If you asked Albert, the same question, he probably would have answered, “none or 5 minutes”. If so, then no surprises there with his lack of knowledge on a personal God. However, Einstein still said, “Science without religion is lame” and I did try to convince you that you had religion because your Atheistic view was a belief system with no proof and thus you needed to take it on faith. But you denied it all the way, so I guess all that is left is to say that you are lame according to Albert Einstein. I did try Stu.
September 25, 2011 at 10:12 am#259351ProclaimerParticipantQuote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2011,19:23) “The splendour of human life, I feel sure, is greater to those who are not dazzled by the divine radiance.” Bertrand Russell
That's rich coming from a man who was never dazzled by divine radiance.
How would he know the difference if he only ever experienced one of those two points.
He obviously had nothing but blind faith in this idea. No experience. Not a scientific statement.I have been privileged to have both, so I guess I am in a better position to answer which is better.
I guess it also needs to be pointed out that human life was given by God, so the splendor of human life is a gift. You still have it even if you don't say thanks of course.
September 26, 2011 at 5:06 am#259412StuParticipant“We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.”
Gene Roddenberry
September 26, 2011 at 5:15 am#259413StuParticipant“George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd.”
Anon
September 26, 2011 at 5:16 am#259414StuParticipant“People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs.”
Anon
September 26, 2011 at 5:18 am#259415StuParticipant“Which is it, is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's?”
Friedrich Nietzsche
September 26, 2011 at 1:38 pm#259428terrariccaParticipantstu
Quote “Which is it, is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's?” this comment is seen because the refusal to take full responsibility of our actions and so keep blaming the others for our own mistakes and behavior ,ask for what we have already FREEDOM,but accept to sacrifice it for the good of liberty what ever this means,man has not changed much since the beginning the basics philosophies are all there ,even though one as become more generalist is that freedom means stupidity and stupidity means freedom,
a look at what happen recently on the world market ,the elites of the world have created MULTICULTURALISM,add to that DEREGULATION,and what do we have ? unstable economy ,the uprising of national liars that bring their own country to the brings of bankruptcy ,not forgetting the political correctness that allows the scientist to evolve to his climax by using the trouble world for a new starting point,
but the real truth is that we are just where we have always been REBELS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS AND WISDOM OF TRUTH ,
men as always chosen the illusion of truth instead of the real truth that bring true benefits.but we you and I are divided by our believes I in God and you in your science of the world,this can not be united,
some thing to think about
Pierre
September 26, 2011 at 3:18 pm#259439princessParticipant'Familiarity breeds contempt'
September 27, 2011 at 5:50 am#259480StuParticipant“We must conduct research and then accept the results. If they don't stand up to experimentation, Buddha's own words must be rejected.”
Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama
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