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These are a list of questions I compiled while I was contemplating whether or not the JW were the TRUE faith..Non-JW chime in also…if this thread needs to be deleted and assimilated into the other JW threads..moderators..please do so
QUESTIONS
-If the bible, Gods word, is unchanging, why does our understanding change?
-Why do we say that Proverbs 4:18 is talking about an increase in knowledge when the bible is talking about a Christians walk with Christ?
-Why do we except blood fractions if the bible says abstain from blood?
-If the prohibition against blood includes the storage of it, why do we accept fractions and products that are derived from massive amounts of stored blood?
-Why are dialysis machines and autologus machines a conscience matter, when the machines, albiet for a brief moment have to store your blood in order for it to be re-routed back into your body?
-Why are blood transfusions considered “eating” when blood is not a nutrient that can be absorbed into the body?
-Science has said medically that a blood transfusion is identical to an organ transplant, therefore it is labeled medically as a tissue transplantation, which is why the body will reject the wrong type. Why are blood transfusions prohibited and organ transplants accepted.
-Is not the accepting of blood fractions the same as engaging in “a little fornication” or “a little idolatry”. Since you can't do that how can you take a little bit of the blood or a portion of it?
-Why do we say that the great crowd have an earthly hope when the bible at Revelation 7 and 14 says that they are in heaven? Why does the society say that they are in the courtyard of the temple when the bible says that they are in the sanctuary or the holy of holies with the 144,00? “Hieron” which is the word that would have to be used in those scriptures to prove this, is not used once in the whole book of revelation. Revelation says that the Jehovah did not want anything out of the courtyard, he wanted only what was in the sanctuary.
Why does the society say that Jesus is mediator only for the anointed when the bible says he is mediator for all men? Where does the bible say that Jesus is mediator only for the great crowd when it comes to prayer? (i.e. The reason we don't pray thru the anointed)
Why are do beards stop someone in the congregation from having exemplary privileges?
Why is a family allowed to have limited contact with a disfellowshipped relative when the bible lays out no such distinction?
Why do use 2 John 9-11 to show that we should not speak or eat with disfellowshipped ones, when the bible here is clearly referring to “anti-christs”?
-Where in the bible does is say that we can't encourage, study with, or pray with a disfellowshipped one?
Where in the bible does it say that only the elders can speak to a disfellowshipped one about spiritual matters and …only once a year?
If the bible says that a disfellowshipped one is to be treated as a tax collector or a man of the world, why do we totally shun such ones? Is not a tax collector or man of the world merely “bad associations”, especially in the light of 1 Cor 15:33? Did not Jesus eat with and minister to, Tax collectors, Harlots, and degenarents?Why do we say that the “governing body” is a divinely instituted part of Jehovahs arrangement and has a biblical precedence, when Acts Chapter 15 is the only mention of a group of men meeting together in like fashion? Why is there no other mention of this group in the bible? Why do we never see any of the apostles, bible writers, or named persons in the New Testament mention or reference the “governing body”?
Why did Paul say at Gal 1:16- 2:2 that he never went to Jerusalem before the meeting at Acts 15 or after, and when he did go it was because of divine revelation? Does this not show that there was not a precedence or practice of looking for guidance in some governing body at jerusalem?Why does the Gov Body/ Faithful discreet slave say that we can only learn and be fed the good news thru them when the Apostle Paul said clearly at Gal 1:1 and Gal 1:11-12 that that good news is given by Christ not by any man or persons?
Why does the society say that thru the dark ages, they were obvious witnesses of Jehovah but do not hold out the possibility that today there are people, who although, not Jehovah's Witnesses, are obvious witnesses of Jehovah?
Why do we say that when Jesus examined the earth in 1918/1919 that he saw only the Witnesses giving food at the proper time and in due season? Were we not venerating the cross, celebrating Christmas, saying that the faithful ones of old would be resurrected in 1925, involved in Pyramidology, saying that vaccines were animal puss, and so on? What made Jesus pick us?
Why does the Society claim that the holy spirit moved them to establish the date of 1914 as the end of the gentile times, when Russell simply adopted the teachings of his mentor N.H. Barbour? Is it not true that quite a few others from various religions also arrived at that date? E.B. Elliot, Robert Seeley, Joseph Seiss, Nelson Barbour, Wilford Woodruff, William Redding, Dr. Gratan Guiness, T.H. Salmon, Bernard Nicklin, David Davidson, Blanton Duncan? Does this not prove that the holy spirit works with all who ask of it, not just JW's?
How can an organization who is , spirit led, god appointed, and god anointed be wrong in its understanding of the bible? Why does the society refer to abandoned teachings as “old truth”? Is there not only 1 truth? If use the societies current explanation of Prov 4:18 and apply it to increased understanding, that means that the light only gets brighter, it never dims, meaning we never revert back to old truth or light. Then is not our new understanding of jesus words at Matt 24 concerning “this generation” reverting back to our original understanding of those words circa 1925? Would this not be considered “old light”?
Why did we change the baptismal questions? Why does the 2 question essentially baptize and dedicate us into the organization when our baptism is a dedication to god with a realization and repentance of our sins? Why a need to mention the organization then?
Why does the society never feel a need to apologize when its unscriptual decisions dramatically affect the lives of its members in a horrible way? Alternative Service, Vaccines, Organ Transplants, Anal/ Oral Sex between husband and wife grounds for divorce, beastiality/homosexual acts not grounds for divorce, woman does not scream when being raped guilty of fornication, blood fractions/ no blood fractions?
When the society becomes dogmatic about who will or won't be resurrected or destroyed, are not they elevating themselves into a position above God? Sodom Gemorah, Adam/ Eve, Cain, miscarried babies
disfellowshipped ones, etcCan a person believe as JW believe and live as a JW live but not be a JW and be saved?
Where in the bible does it say that being a JW is necessary for survival?
What things must a person do to be saved? If those are the only things we need to do, then why does the society condemn people who believe those essential things?
Will the fact that we are a JW play any bearing at all in our survival at Armageddon?
Why do we call ourselves JW's when Acts says that it was by divine providence that we were to be called Christians? Is it proper to call ourselves JW when Jehovah said to call ourselves Christians? Why do we rely on a name to distinguish us from other “groups”? Should not our actions and the way we live our lives speak for themselves?
The bible says that all who are led by Gods spirit are his sons, and if you are his sons you are joint heirs with christ, if there is one spirit that bears witness and one baptism and we are all baptized under that one spirit does that not mean that we are joint heirs with
christ?Why does the society say that when it comes to things that have a pagan origin (pinatas/ wedding rings
luas) its not the origin that matters its how its looked upon today? If that is the case, which I believe it is, why do they then condemn the celebrating of birthdays and holidays, when they clearly do not hold the same meaning today? Is this not a case of speaking on things that God has not spoken about and then attributing it to him as his words? Does not the bible say such ones are to be cursed?Hi dk
Our understanding changes because our understanding increases.
Walking with Christ is allegorically; when you read the gospel of Christ, you walk with Christ, reading his word will increase you knowledge and understanding.
Blood represents life, all life belongs to God, that is why, when you kill an animal you are supposed to drain the blood onto the ground. Having just a few drops of blood left is not the same as drinking it or making something out of it.
Mainly because this command was given to the Israelites, and most people don't pay attention to God's command.
I don't know of any command were God restricts a physician to use his knowledge to heal the sick, although personally I draw the line when it comes body-parts transplants.
Blood transfusions is only considered as eating blood by certain groups.
There are those that will argue that blood transfusion is the same as an organ transplant, I don't see it that way because you don't cut out anything, and transplant anything; you redirect life giving cells to a body that otherwise would die.
God said, drain the blood on the ground, he didn't say you have to flush it.
If you notice, the 144000 have the Fathers name written in their forehead, again, allegorically speaking, they have received the Fathers name. When does a child take on the fathers name who is not the biological father? when he is adopted. These 144000 are the adopted sons of God, and coheirs with Christ who will sit on thrones reigning with Christ on the earth. The great crowed are all the other saints. Remember, this was just a vision.
Jesus is the only mediator between God and men, all men.
I don't understand your question on “beards”.
Christ never disfellowshipped any one.
You should avoid those that do not believe in the word of God, so that you are not drawn away.
Jam 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jam 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
I don't know of any such scripture.
There is no governing body set over believers, that idea is man made. Man always wants to be in control over others; Jesus ask us to follow him.
I only know of the JW as the self claimed discreet slave.
During the dark and middle ages they were more easily recognized because they were persecuted and killed for their faith.
That is what the JW claim without any biblical prove.
1914 is in fact the end of the gentiles. Israel was under a seven time punishment period.
Lev 26:18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. —Seven times means, seven years of 360 days, a year for a day = 2520 years. This punishment started with the invasion of the kingdom of Judah by the Babylonians in BC 606. The end of this punishment has nothing to do with the JW.
Simply put, they are not. This generation is Israel, and it started when Israel became a nation again in 1948. There is no old truth, only the Old Testament; truth never gets old.
That is a false doctrine, you are to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, period.
If they were to admit they are wrong, that would put doubt in the minds of their members.
They certainly do.
No, why would any one with a true understanding, wont to be a member of that organization?
It doesn't.
You are saved by faith in Jesus Christ.
No.
The organization adopted the name because the bible says, those who are called by my name. And yes, you are absolutely right.
Only if you are in the first resurrection.
We enjoy celebrating the birth of a child, however, later on in life that child will develop an attitude of greed and selfishness, what do I get; other than that I can see nothing wrong with it. Although there are pagan holidays that have been Christianized that I do stay away from.I hope this has helped some.
Georg
Quote david are you there? Will you answer these questions?
How do you know that the bible is REALLY God's word?….
I am serious questioning the validity and authenticity of the bible…..
And these are just a couple of MANY, MANY examples of inconsistency of the GOD of the bible…
Not to mention GOD in the OT was a murderous, venegeful, GOD..who allowed the RAPE, MURDER, and PILLAGE of millions of innocent civilians and children…–Dirt
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….50;st=0From the second “Dirty” came on here, I knew he would only be trying to turn people away from the God of the Bible. People kept getting on me for not embracing him and for not believing he was a JW. Well, I’m sorry, but he’s about as close to an anti-Christ as I can imagine. And he’s not a JW today and really wasn’t one when he originally came on here pretending to be. He is doing all the things I expected of him, and all the things the Bible says such ones do when they turn against their brothers.
His ultimate goal seems to be to turn people away from the Bible. If you’re a JW, he attacks what he perceives to be incorrect beliefs. If you’re not a JW, he’ll just call your God a …..well, see quote above. As far as I can tell, I am done with “Dirt.” He is as unclean as his name, which he chose because he’s “fithy” in his words. He might as well have a stamp on his forhead saying “I love Satan.” So no, I won’t answer his questions.
But as you know T8, I’d be happy to answer any of your questions, one at a time, in any appropriate threads. Pick one of the other JW threads.David
David,
I have been interested in the JW religion for quite some time. I think that DK brings some very valid questions regardless of his character. If you could answer the questions for those of us who are interested in the answers, and not the politics between you two, I'd appreciated it very much. If not, I understand that as well.
Thanks,
MandyQuote (david @ Feb. 17 2009,18:56) Quote david are you there? Will you answer these questions?
How do you know that the bible is REALLY God's word?….
I am serious questioning the validity and authenticity of the bible…..
And these are just a couple of MANY, MANY examples of inconsistency of the GOD of the bible…
Not to mention GOD in the OT was a murderous, venegeful, GOD..who allowed the RAPE, MURDER, and PILLAGE of millions of innocent civilians and children…–Dirt
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….50;st=0From the second “Dirty” came on here, I knew he would only be trying to turn people away from the God of the Bible. People kept getting on me for not embracing him and for not believing he was a JW. Well, I’m sorry, but he’s about as close to an anti-Christ as I can imagine. And he’s not a JW today and really wasn’t one when he originally came on here pretending to be. He is doing all the things I expected of him, and all the things the Bible says such ones do when they turn against their brothers.
His ultimate goal seems to be to turn people away from the Bible. If you’re a JW, he attacks what he perceives to be incorrect beliefs. If you’re not a JW, he’ll just call your God a …..well, see quote above. As far as I can tell, I am done with “Dirt.” He is as unclean as his name, which he chose because he’s “fithy” in his words. He might as well have a stamp on his forhead saying “I love Satan.” So no, I won’t answer his questions.
But as you know T8, I’d be happy to answer any of your questions, one at a time, in any appropriate threads. Pick one of the other JW threads.David
The truth accuses the spirit I see…
David……….Why attack DK's Character , He posted Honest and sincere question to you , we would all like to hear you answers to them. I could even ad more, but i won't. Why is it the Most “RELIGIOUS” here attack a persons character and try to put them on the subject of their Character, is it a trick to change the subject, because they don't have a good answer, so they start a personal attack. David you represent your JW teachings here and have admitted it here many times so the questions DK posted are legitimate one. Let's all stop personal attacks and stick to the Subjects. In DK's posting I did not see Your Character or for that matter your Name even mentioned Once. These are legitimate questions brother. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene
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