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Why in the world would a Christian tell a Muslim not to Worship God directly when God has always wanted man to worship Him directly.
It is really amazing that Christians don't know what they are supposed to believe themselves what did Jesus finish?
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:3-5Now Christians today go out of their way to prevent Muslims from GLORIFYING GOD ALMIGHTY on earth. Saying they must glorify others with God
Hi B,
I'm not sure what you're saying, but Jesus' work isn't completed yet. When God and the Lamb live among mankind in New Jerusalem, his work is done. That's not to say he won't have other tasks even then. But until then, we can not approach God directly; we must go through Jesus Christ.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2010,11:28) Hi B, I'm not sure what you're saying, but Jesus' work isn't completed yet. When God and the Lamb live among mankind in New Jerusalem, his work is done. That's not to say he won't have other tasks even then. But until then, we can not approach God directly; we must go through Jesus Christ.
peace and love,
mike
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:3-5Was Jesus saying that incorrect?
Also if you believe that Jesus reconciled you with God why wouldn't you be able to go to God direct?
BD,
There is no magic salvation by the death of Jesus but you must be reborn
Jesus could glorify his God because he was found a clean vessel and filled with God's Spirit.
The sons of God glorify him in their body temple but the carnal men of the world have temples to other gods.Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2010,11:32) I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:3-5
Hi B,That's like me telling my boss, I'm finished at this job site, I've completed my task. It doesn't mean I'm not going to a different jobsite tomorrow. The Scriptures give a glimpse of some of the tasks still in store for Jesus in Revelation.
You said:
Quote Also if you believe that Jesus reconciled you with God why wouldn't you be able to go to God direct? Jesus was a sin sacrifice, similar to the animals that were previosly used for the atonement of sins. Of course, Jesus was much more that that (read Hebrews 7 and 8). Here's Hebrews 7:18;
Quote 18The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. You notice that Jesus is the “hope” by which we draw near to God. We're not there yet. Mankind's sins had gotten to the point that God couldn't be righteous in ever calling any of us righteous. Jesus' sacrifice made it possible for us to have a direct relationship with God. But only those who Jesus judges acceptable will actually get to claim that prize.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2010,13:21) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2010,11:32) I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:3-5
Hi B,That's like me telling my boss, I'm finished at this job site, I've completed my task. It doesn't mean I'm not going to a different jobsite tomorrow. The Scriptures give a glimpse of some of the tasks still in store for Jesus in Revelation.
You said:
Quote Also if you believe that Jesus reconciled you with God why wouldn't you be able to go to God direct? Jesus was a sin sacrifice, similar to the animals that were previosly used for the atonement of sins. Of course, Jesus was much more that that (read Hebrews 7 and 8). Here's Hebrews 7:18;
Quote 18The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. You notice that Jesus is the “hope” by which we draw near to God. We're not there yet. Mankind's sins had gotten to the point that God couldn't be righteous in ever calling any of us righteous. Jesus' sacrifice made it possible for us to have a direct relationship with God. But only those who Jesus judges acceptable will actually get to claim that prize.
peace and love,
mike
Jesus said he finished the work God gave him to do BEFORE the cross, why is that?Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 09 2010,10:40) Jesus said he finished the work God gave him to do BEFORE the cross, why is that?
Hi B,I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't count being crucified as “work” he had to do. Maybe he was meaning he finished all that God had required of him before his death. Like I said, Jesus still has work to do.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2010,09:31) Why in the world would a Christian tell a Muslim not to Worship God directly when God has always wanted man to worship Him directly. It is really amazing that Christians don't know what they are supposed to believe themselves what did Jesus finish?
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:3-5Now Christians today go out of their way to prevent Muslims from GLORIFYING GOD ALMIGHTY on earth. Saying they must glorify others with God
Christians who believe that no one comes to the Father, but by his son Jesus Christ (Yeshua) believe correctly.Of course we should honour the son just as we honour the Father. That is not saying that they get the same honour or worship (as God), but that as we honour the Father, so we should honour the one whom he has sent. Surely if we do not honour his representive, then how can we honour God?
The same kind of thinking can be seen on other verses, such as “If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?”.
You get the drift.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 09 2010,13:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2010,09:31) Why in the world would a Christian tell a Muslim not to Worship God directly when God has always wanted man to worship Him directly. It is really amazing that Christians don't know what they are supposed to believe themselves what did Jesus finish?
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:3-5Now Christians today go out of their way to prevent Muslims from GLORIFYING GOD ALMIGHTY on earth. Saying they must glorify others with God
Christians who believe that no one comes to the Father, but by his son Jesus Christ (Yeshua) believe correctly.Of course we should honour the son just as we honour the Father. That is not saying that they get the same honour or worship (as God), but that as we honour the Father, so we should honour the one whom he has sent. Surely if we do not honour his representive, then how can we honour God?
The same kind of thinking can be seen on other verses, such as “If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?”.
You get the drift.
Quote Of course we should honour the son just as we honour the Father. That is not saying that they get the same honour or worship (as God), but that as we honour the Father, so we should honour the one whom he has sent. Surely if we do not honour his representive, then how can we honour God? No disagreement there
Quote The same kind of thinking can be seen on other verses, such as “If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?”. Again, No disagreement.
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Christians who believe that no one comes to the Father, but by his son Jesus Christ (Yeshua) believe correctly.Disagreement in context, Of course we know many have come to God before Christ and after Christ. The context really is that Jesus is speaking to those people to whom he was sent. Moses very well meant the same thing, you either followed Moses or you were being disobedient to God and those who didn't listen to John the Baptist didn't get to the Father either. In-fact Jesus acknowledge that he himself had to go through John The Baptist.
Hi BD,
No grace towards men except through Jesus.
He was full of grace and truth.You on the other hand are rather full of empty words
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2010,20:00) Hi BD,
No grace towards men except through Jesus.
He was full of grace and truth.You on the other hand are rather full of empty words
What about all the people before Jesus was sent Nick which was thousands of years? Do you have any sense?Hi BD,
Those from the time of Moses before Jesus had the words of Moses and the prophets [Lk15] and Jesus showed they could find righteousness.
But you have rejected the Spirit that inspired all of God's servants and cling to a weak man.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2010,05:18) Hi BD,
Those from the time of Moses before Jesus had the words of Moses and the prophets [Lk15] and Jesus showed they could find righteousness.
But you have rejected the Spirit that inspired all of God's servants and cling to a weak man.
So you admit my point is correct, thanks!By the way, how is clinging to ALLAH (God Almighty) clinging to a man? God is not a man, nor a son of man.
Hi BD,
So without the holy Spirit and without the holy scriptures you plan to try to beat a path to God's door?
Your leader did not know our God so why follow him into a pit?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2010,06:34) Hi BD,
So without the holy Spirit and without the holy scriptures you plan to try to beat a path to God's door?
Your leader did not know our God so why follow him into a pit?
even if you were right (you are not)You must don't know the power of God:Behold, the LORD’s hand is not shortened,That it cannot save; Nor His ear heavy, That it cannot hear.
Isaiah 59:1-3I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
Isaiah 65:1-3You have always seemed to want to alter or define the power of God, may HE have mercy on you.
Hi BD,
Those that climb into the kingdom by some other way are thieves and robbers.
Jesus is the door.[Jn10]Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2010,07:44) Quote Hi BD,
Those that climb into the kingdom by some other way are thieves and robbers.
Jesus is the door.[Jn10]If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
Genesis 4:6-8John 10:8-10 (King James Version)
8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
John 10
1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Was not the door opened for Muhammad and did not he call those who heard his voice Muslims(submitters to God) and lead those who were pagans and polytheist out of ignorance. He has followed the Way and has asserted the truth that the Jews denied i.e That Jesus is Christ. The Quran is a true testimony that backs up what the Gospel says.
Hi BD,
It is fantasy to think your leader has any relationship to the God of Israel.
Your religion is of the world and it's god.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2010,09:29) Hi BD,
It is fantasy to think your leader has any relationship to the God of Israel.
Your religion is of the world and it's god.
The proof is in the pudding who's voice has been heard and heeded more than Muhammad other than Jesus?How is it that you call following the path of God worldly and what are Christians prohibited to do that Muslims can do?
I understand your ambition but it should not lead you into foolish thinking.
Islam and Muslims are keeping with the Promises that God made to Abraham so look and tell me who else qualifies?
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