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Quote However, I was supposedly in contact with my grandfather and I didn't realise that he swore like a trooper but that is how he communicated on the Ouija board. A little later I decided to pop in to a meeting at a hall near where I live. It was some kind of spiritualist thing. I got a message from the medium saying that it was my grandfather and the language was so colourful she wasn't going to repeat what he said, but suffice to say he was saying something like, “What are you doing here”. My mother told me later on that he swore all the time. Who was the other person holding the thingy? Did this person know your grandfather?
Quote Even at this stage I was still not convinced there was anything to this, until I conducted a seance with a personal friend of mine. We decided to break a few rules. One was to not use a crystal glass, but we used a normal glass. The next thing we did was not use a Ouija board, but placed the glass on a small table. We tried to make contact with the spirits, but none were answering and I was not surprised. We were just about to give up, and the glass moved. I said to my best friend “was that you” and he said “no, was it you” and I said no. So we started to abuse the spirit verbally and with only our small finger on top of the glass it raised into the air. As I was looking at the glass I could see my friends face behind with an expression of amazement. The glass then shattered in the middle of the air. We never did a seance again. That same year, I became a believer in God and committed my life to him. The experience had nothing to do with what I had been dabbling in, but based on a real search for truth.
It seems you believe in Gid, because of a oiji board.
Quote That is what I think based on my experiences. An hour ago I was watching a video on memory. It made the participants decide they could not trust their own memories, despite being so convinced and having dreamt up such details to surround events that were false memories.
Was your friend a magician or practical joker?
Isn't it Parker brothers or something like that that mak oiji boards. How do they inject demons into them?
Study ideomotor effect.
Over and over magicians have either:
1. Discredited oiji boards
2. Proved that they can trick demonsIt's the same experiment. The magician has two people get used to using the board. Asking questions. Them sliding the thing around. After a while, the magician blindfolds them. (But sneakily turns the board around without me knowing). He then asks more questions. They still always push the thingy to where they think the letters are, but of course there is nothing there.
Either
1. the demons have decided to play along, or,
2. demons can't see when the person is blindfolded or,
3. it's the ideomotor effect at work.Quote So we started to abuse the spirit verbally and with only our small finger on top of the glass it raised into the air. Was it a plastic cup?
Quote Even at this stage I was still not convinced there was anything to this, until I conducted a seance with a personal friend of mine. We decided to break a few rules. One was to not use a crystal glass, but we used a normal glass. The next thing we did was not use a Ouija board, but placed the glass on a small table. We tried to make contact with the spirits, but none were answering and I was not surprised. We were just about to give up, and the glass moved. I said to my best friend “was that you” and he said “no, was it you” and I said no. So we started to abuse the spirit verbally and with only our small finger on top of the glass it raised into the air. As I was looking at the glass I could see my friends face behind with an expression of amazement. The glass then shattered in the middle of the air. We never did a seance again. If you go take this routine to James randi, he will give you a million dollars if you can replicate it without trickery.
If you were dreaming this, why do you think your shoulder was actually tapped, and it wasn't just in the dream?
If there really is an afterlife, I'll bet the best way to contact it is through a plastic, mass-produced board game from Milton Bradley! –Mad Magazine
You can doubt all you like and that is fine. I know what I saw and so does my friend. It just shows me that you are not open to things outside your own limited experience, i.e., you are closed minded.
I have seen many other things that are far more outrageous than what I told you happened to me that came from God. Most think such things are impossible to have or to know because they are Atheist or don't believe in spirits or the spirit realm, because their minds are set on the things of the flesh or physical things. I mean I could take your same arguments and question whether Satan really appeared to Jesus to tempt him. If Jesus told you what happened to him, you would probably the doubting Thomas and I can just see you telling him that it was his memory playing tricks. I am sure a few of your fancy words could be used to discredit Jesus experience leading me to even wonder why you believe anything in the bible. Because to believe in the things written in the bible requires faith and a certain understanding of the unseen world.
Here is why I think you say what you say. Correct me if you think I am wrong.
You say what you say because your mind is full of doctrine that does not permit such things to happen. Because you believe this, you have eyes, but cannot see. This leads your insight, foresight, and hindsight to become saturated with doctrinal filters that become your reality.
Now don't get me wrong, I think it is healthy to question such things after all, people make all kinds of claims for all kinds of reasons, but you have demonstrated to me that you think such things are just plain impossible and it is not that you doubt me that I have a problem with, but that you doubt such things can happen at all. I think that this is one of the dangers of subscribing to any denomination. They dictate to you what is possible and what is not.
I find that Atheists and religiously bound people are the biggest non-believers of the things of the spirit because they have probably zero experience with such things. As Paul said, some are led by the flesh or the spirit. Where are you? That is a question you need to ask yourself.
Quote (david @ Nov. 20 2012,20:23) If you were dreaming this, why do you think your shoulder was actually tapped, and it wasn't just in the dream?
Don't know about you david, but usually when I dream I don't know it is a dream. This experience, like the ones I have from God, I am aware that I am dreaming or having a vision.As it is written, you shall dream dreams and have visions. It is not that hard to believe is it.
Too many questions david.
Give me 3 of those questions in a post and I will reply.
However, I am not sure that it would be productive for you, nevertheless, I will answer 3 questions for you.
I dont think that I said that the pyschic had predicted
Sorry if I gave that impression
I think on the run and fire off questions
I was asking ,if they could
The girl in acts appeared to have the ability becauseshe made moneyI am not sure what to believe, hence my appeal for help
Yeah sure G, totally comprehend what you are saying.
My personal opinion is that they can't see the future just as Jesus did not know the day he would come back, but only the Father.
I guess if I was to look at a way that they might know something about the future, then my best guess would be that fallen angels were once angels and who knows what they were privy to when they were angels.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 20 2012,16:04) Actually if you look at the video before it is played, you can clearly see the man is looking for something in the water perhaps to stand on.
It is possible that the whole thing, including the boat and kayaks has been set up.But how would you explain, when his hand went through the glass counter to pick up the bracelet,and how he went through the glass window.
wakeup.
Quote (david @ Nov. 20 2012,12:44) Quote They can also predict something bad will happen, and then make it happen –WAKEUP
WAKEUP, I predict you will read this sentence.
(Is it really a prediction if I say your face is about to hurt and then I punch you?)
David.If a fortune teller tells you that you will have an accident,the spirit could make it happen,maybe a few days or weeks later.
How did that magician get that phone in that bottle?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2012,18:33) Quote (david @ Nov. 20 2012,12:44) Quote They can also predict something bad will happen, and then make it happen –WAKEUP
WAKEUP, I predict you will read this sentence.
(Is it really a prediction if I say your face is about to hurt and then I punch you?)
David.If a fortune teller tells you that you will have an accident,the spirit could make it happen,maybe a few days or weeks later.
How did that magician get that phone in that bottle?
wakeup.
is any one has heard the story about the fortune teller that told a man that he will die in a train accident
?Quote (david @ Nov. 20 2012,15:55) WAKEUP, one of my hobbies for the past 3 decades has been figuring out how supposedly im possible things are actually done. If there are any specific tricks you want explained, this is your chance to ask someone who probably knows the answers.
David.1.How do you read some ones mind?
2.How do you walk through a shop window with the crowd
watching.3.How do you put your hand through the glass,in view of the camera.
4.How do you make a coin go through the glass.
wakeup.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 20 2012,16:03) You are thinking of the colour red right now.
I was thinking of the magicians in egypt.wakeup.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 20 2012,16:59) Quote (david @ Nov. 20 2012,18:55) WAKEUP, one of my hobbies for the past 3 decades has been figuring out how supposedly im possible things are actually done. If there are any specific tricks you want explained, this is your chance to ask someone who probably knows the answers.
Actually I witnessed physical levitation of an object with my own eyes.This was not a trick.
Back in the day when I was an Atheist and was at school, some school friends & I got involved in seances. At first I was an absolute skeptic and when glass appeared to implode or shoot out from the Ouija board, I just believed it was someone doing that. When questions were answered, I thought it was a bit like a horoscope, in that you could read into the answers what you wanted.
However, I was supposedly in contact with my grandfather and I didn't realise that he swore like a trooper but that is how he communicated on the Ouija board. A little later I decided to pop in to a meeting at a hall near where I live. It was some kind of spiritualist thing. I got a message from the medium saying that it was my grandfather and the language was so colourful she wasn't going to repeat what he said, but suffice to say he was saying something like, “What are you doing here”. My mother told me later on that he swore all the time.
Even at this stage I was still not convinced there was anything to this, until I conducted a seance with a personal friend of mine. We decided to break a few rules. One was to not use a crystal glass, but we used a normal glass. The next thing we did was not use a Ouija board, but placed the glass on a small table. We tried to make contact with the spirits, but none were answering and I was not surprised. We were just about to give up, and the glass moved. I said to my best friend “was that you” and he said “no, was it you” and I said no. So we started to abuse the spirit verbally and with only our small finger on top of the glass it raised into the air. As I was looking at the glass I could see my friends face behind with an expression of amazement. The glass then shattered in the middle of the air. We never did a seance again.
That same year, I became a believer in God and committed my life to him. The experience had nothing to do with what I had been dabbling in, but based on a real search for truth.
A little time after that, I returned to this place where I use to live to visit a friend and I stayed over the night. Before falling asleep I started to think about the seances I did here and what it really meant now that I was a believer in God and the spiritual realm too. I then found my spirit sinking down a hole and I couldn't wake up or stop the experience. I kept plummeting but didn't fight it as first thinking it might be of God. It kept happening until I panicked and then I could hear voices below me as if I was descending into some kind of place. At that point I was thinking I was entering Hades or something and when I tried to open my mouth and pray, I couldn't speak. So in desperation I cried out to God in Jesus name and rebuked the experience all in my mind, and immediately I felt 3 pronounced taps on my shoulder. I immediately awoke to find my body positioned lying down but against the wall and realised that whatever tapped my shoulder did so through a wall.
So yes, I believe that most magic is pulleys and ropes, but I also think that there is a spiritual dimension that some can tap into to do things.
That is what I think based on my experiences.
It is God that draws his people,and he does it through mysterious ways. I was drawn to the scriptures through such supernatural experiences too.wakeup.
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