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Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2012,10:34) Quote (david @ Nov. 19 2012,18:09) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 19 2012,09:25) david, I agree that there is much deception in these kinds of ministries. Even some preachers look at the attendance list before speaking and are able to say, “there is a person here called david and he has had a death in his extended family”. This is likely to have happened to that person and if not, then he would just think that it was another david.
Like a horoscope, it can relate to nearly anyone if you read it.
Before I was a Christian I read a horoscope once (I didn't believe in such things back then either) and it was totally accurate to me at that time. I then realised that the date on the paper or magazine was quite old and was talking about the week when it was written.
The ministers that put their hands on people's heads and push them over and magically seem to now their name and their ailments…They have earpieces in their ear.
The people in the audience write their name and any problems they may want fixed on a sheet of paper when they first arrive. It's not really even a good magic trick. But for many watching on tv, or even many in the audience, it's a miracle.And ailments sometimes do go away. Sometimes they get a bit better. Sometimes they don't. But when they do get better, trumpets are blown and their is follow up stories. When nothing happens, people forget about that person.
Much like eds numbers patterns–false positives, the hits are made a big deal of while the misses are silently forgotten.Check out this man;I think he is more than just a magician.
wakeup.
NOPEThis is a magic trick. Anyone with 500$ can buy it. You can make it yourself. I've seen the blueprints. Combination of Michael Jackson's shoe and a metal bracket support that bends at the knee and goes down the back. I can't remember exactly but there was something about the knee connection that made this support ingenious.
Anyway, ask yourself questions: if it was real, why didn't he lift his other leg?
One secret to figuring this out is watch the same guy do it opinion many different clips. You will notice the similarities. Those similarities in. Performance are important. They give away where the secret is.
Doing this on the sidewalk makes it appear impromptu
But really, he had to nail a nail into the sidewalk. Or some similar support that he could use to hook into the Michael Jackson type shoe. (Michael had a patent on that shoe, and this method isn't exactly like that)
David copperfields “flying” is much more impressive.
Here is where”appeal to ignorance” comes n:
“I don't know the HOW, therefore it must be either God Or demons.”
But, lacking knowledge does not mean that you can insert whatever answer you ant, as though it were obviously that answer.
Quote (david @ Nov. 20 2012,12:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2012,10:34) Quote (david @ Nov. 19 2012,18:09) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 19 2012,09:25) david, I agree that there is much deception in these kinds of ministries. Even some preachers look at the attendance list before speaking and are able to say, “there is a person here called david and he has had a death in his extended family”. This is likely to have happened to that person and if not, then he would just think that it was another david.
Like a horoscope, it can relate to nearly anyone if you read it.
Before I was a Christian I read a horoscope once (I didn't believe in such things back then either) and it was totally accurate to me at that time. I then realised that the date on the paper or magazine was quite old and was talking about the week when it was written.
The ministers that put their hands on people's heads and push them over and magically seem to now their name and their ailments…They have earpieces in their ear.
The people in the audience write their name and any problems they may want fixed on a sheet of paper when they first arrive. It's not really even a good magic trick. But for many watching on tv, or even many in the audience, it's a miracle.And ailments sometimes do go away. Sometimes they get a bit better. Sometimes they don't. But when they do get better, trumpets are blown and their is follow up stories. When nothing happens, people forget about that person.
Much like eds numbers patterns–false positives, the hits are made a big deal of while the misses are silently forgotten.Check out this man;I think he is more than just a magician.
wakeup.
NOPEThis is a magic trick. Anyone with 500$ can buy it. You can make it yourself. I've seen the blueprints. Combination of Michael Jackson's shoe and a metal bracket support that bends at the knee and goes down the back. I can't remember exactly but there was something about the knee connection that made this support ingenious.
Anyway, ask yourself questions: if it was real, why didn't he lift his other leg?
One secret to figuring this out is watch the same guy do it opinion many different clips. You will notice the similarities. Those similarities in. Performance are important. They give away where the secret is.
Doing this on the sidewalk makes it appear impromptu
But really, he had to nail a nail into the sidewalk. Or some similar support that he could use to hook into the Michael Jackson type shoe. (Michael had a patent on that shoe, and this method isn't exactly like that)
David copperfields “flying” is much more impressive.
Here is where”appeal to ignorance” comes n:
“I don't know the HOW, therefore it must be either God Or demons.”
But, lacking knowledge does not mean that you can insert whatever answer you ant, as though it were obviously that answer.
http://www.easterngeek.com/2008/02/replicating-criss-angels-levitation.htmlOk. It's only $20.00
This isn't the diagram I saw originally. This seems much more crude and seems to be someone mutating the effect. The one I originally saw was a little more complex.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2012,12:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2012,11:17)
These are all just magic tricks. He is a magician.The suspensions he does (like a levitation, but with some body part touching the ground or some structure) are nothing new.
Robert houdin (from which Houdini took his name) invented the broom suspension. They are all just different versions of that basic effect/principle.
The last levitation he did by the statue, the people you saw, were stooges, in on it. Yes, it happens. “Wanna be on tv? Act surprised.” It works. For the actual flying, Same principle as copperfields flying but much much much more basic. And, he just used a crane with very very thin wires basically. He had a slight swing motion in the one clip, which is an obvious and annoying give away. (You can also find a patent on copperfields flying device).
If you want to see something that might seem more impressive for you, YouTube “David copperfield Grand Canyon” or “criss angel Luxor levitation.”
Both are magic tricks/fake. But I'd say more impressive than this guy.
No. I was right the first time
The mateix suspension costs about $700 for the good one.
forums.theory11.com/archive/index.php?t-11596.html
(Magicians discussing it)so the delusion of God can also be in the magician ,I do not see much use for it be side entertainment and make man glory at is best ,
Yes, “entertainment” is what it is. That is the use for it.
But, many of the same principles can be used for “exploitive magic” frauding the gullible of their money, usually preying on people when they are their weakest and desperately wanting to believe.
Quote (Guncher @ Nov. 16 2012,20:55) I would value some help with an issue that I have no answer to
A friend went to a party where she met a physchic ,who proceeded to reveal to her so much personal information that only my friend could have knownMy natural reaction was to blame evil spirits. I can understand that spirits can know the past, but can they see the future. If these spirits can see the future , does this mean that the future has already taken place.
Surely only God knows the future
This area is one which crops up when I am with non believers So I need an answer
Thank you to everyone who has already answered my other questions
Guncher, here is a question:You say that the psychic revealed to her personal Information (which is what “psychics” are good at, telling people what they want to hear, telling people so much that some of it is true, etc
But then, you make the jump to predicting the future, which is different than telling someone that they are secretive and outgoing and like people, but also don't, and have someone who cares for them, etc
So, my question is: WHAT FUTURE EVENT DID THIS PSYCHIC PREDICT?
(I'm not saying the psychic didn't predict many future things, some of which may vaguely come true or be bent in the mind to come true. But I'm asking what specifically the psychic predicted that has come true?)
WAKEUP, one of my hobbies for the past 3 decades has been figuring out how supposedly im possible things are actually done. If there are any specific tricks you want explained, this is your chance to ask someone who probably knows the answers.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2012,13:43) wakeup.
If you put a bridge just under the water, you can appear to walk on water. Could have been an old jetty there or something.In scripture there will be lying wonders. I guess that means they are just wonders that are achieved with ropes, pulleys, holograms, and anything else that can be used.
Actually if you look at the video before it is played, you can clearly see the man is looking for something in the water perhaps to stand on.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Xswt8B8-UTM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DXswt8B8-UTM
Richard Dawkins asking Darren brown (a magician) to explain how psychics work.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 20 2012,16:04) Actually if you look at the video before it is played, you can clearly see the man is looking for something in the water perhaps to stand on.
Ya, I was going to mention that too.Quote (david @ Nov. 20 2012,10:46) Have no idea what you are trying to say.
Both believe that they do the right thing ,but for some reasons only one will be vindicate ,Don't you agree
Quote (david @ Nov. 20 2012,18:55) WAKEUP, one of my hobbies for the past 3 decades has been figuring out how supposedly im possible things are actually done. If there are any specific tricks you want explained, this is your chance to ask someone who probably knows the answers.
Actually I witnessed physical levitation of an object with my own eyes.This was not a trick.
Back in the day when I was an Atheist and was at school, some school friends & I got involved in seances. At first I was an absolute skeptic and when glass appeared to implode or shoot out from the Ouija board, I just believed it was someone doing that. When questions were answered, I thought it was a bit like a horoscope, in that you could read into the answers what you wanted.
However, I was supposedly in contact with my grandfather and I didn't realise that he swore like a trooper but that is how he communicated on the Ouija board. A little later I decided to pop in to a meeting at a hall near where I live. It was some kind of spiritualist thing. I got a message from the medium saying that it was my grandfather and the language was so colourful she wasn't going to repeat what he said, but suffice to say he was saying something like, “What are you doing here”. My mother told me later on that he swore all the time.
Even at this stage I was still not convinced there was anything to this, until I conducted a seance with a personal friend of mine. We decided to break a few rules. One was to not use a crystal glass, but we used a normal glass. The next thing we did was not use a Ouija board, but placed the glass on a small table. We tried to make contact with the spirits, but none were answering and I was not surprised. We were just about to give up, and the glass moved. I said to my best friend “was that you” and he said “no, was it you” and I said no. So we started to abuse the spirit verbally and with only our small finger on top of the glass it raised into the air. As I was looking at the glass I could see my friends face behind with an expression of amazement. The glass then shattered in the middle of the air. We never did a seance again.
That same year, I became a believer in God and committed my life to him. The experience had nothing to do with what I had been dabbling in, but based on a real search for truth.
A little time after that, I returned to this place where I use to live to visit a friend and I stayed over the night. Before falling asleep I started to think about the seances I did here and what it really meant now that I was a believer in God and the spiritual realm too. I then found my spirit sinking down a hole and I couldn't wake up or stop the experience. I kept plummeting but didn't fight it as first thinking it might be of God. It kept happening until I panicked and then I could hear voices below me as if I was descending into some kind of place. At that point I was thinking I was entering Hades or something and when I tried to open my mouth and pray, I couldn't speak. So in desperation I cried out to God in Jesus name and rebuked the experience all in my mind, and immediately I felt 3 pronounced taps on my shoulder. I immediately awoke to find my body positioned lying down but against the wall and realised that whatever tapped my shoulder did so through a wall.
So yes, I believe that most magic is pulleys and ropes, but I also think that there is a spiritual dimension that some can tap into to do things.
That is what I think based on my experiences.
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