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Quote (terraricca @ July 26 2012,11:26) Quote (journey42 @ July 26 2012,17:19) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2012,09:33) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2012,16:24) Hi Pierre, Is this thread now open to all? – or do you
need to interrogate Devolution privately more?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
it seems that Devolution as gone and left to his relatif to do the works
It doesn't matter,
you will find all our answers the same.
The same truth.
Three witnesses in total agreement.You will not find any other three in agreement here.
And I don't see anyone backing you up
we have explained to you with scriptures,
and put them together for you
easy to understand and connect
this is how you seek, put everything together so
there are no contradictions, but perfect harmony in the scriptures.
The whole picture.And if you were really born again in the spirit,
a new man in Christ, this type of renewing of the mind
then you wouldn't carry on the way you do against your brethren,
so proud, and full of self righteousness
we always have to check and go over our works Pierre
and worship God with trembling and fear
before we can tick that salvation box
The scriptures are the final authority
and if we don't follow the simplest of rules,
the most basic commandment, which you overlook time and time again
then why would God give us the spirit to understand the harder things?
The holy spirit is a gift.
You can't take it by force.
Jn 2:23 Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name.
Jn 2:24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men.
Jn 2:25 He did not need man’s testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man.if what I have said is false then I have offended God and his son ,
but if I have said the truth from his word then let God give me glory NOT MEN,
Yes, good answer.
Just like the apostle Paul,
He really believed he was doing the right thing when he persecuted the christians, for in his heart he thought it right.
But Jesus showed him otherwise. Then he realised the mistake, and that's why he called himself the chief sinner, because he was the one who gave authority to murder his brethren, and was sore by this.
Today we don't have Jesus showing himself personally to wake us up, but he does work in mysterious ways, for those he loves.Quote (journey42 @ July 26 2012,22:51) Quote (terraricca @ July 26 2012,11:26) Quote (journey42 @ July 26 2012,17:19) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2012,09:33) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2012,16:24) Hi Pierre, Is this thread now open to all? – or do you
need to interrogate Devolution privately more?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
it seems that Devolution as gone and left to his relatif to do the works
It doesn't matter,
you will find all our answers the same.
The same truth.
Three witnesses in total agreement.You will not find any other three in agreement here.
And I don't see anyone backing you up
we have explained to you with scriptures,
and put them together for you
easy to understand and connect
this is how you seek, put everything together so
there are no contradictions, but perfect harmony in the scriptures.
The whole picture.And if you were really born again in the spirit,
a new man in Christ, this type of renewing of the mind
then you wouldn't carry on the way you do against your brethren,
so proud, and full of self righteousness
we always have to check and go over our works Pierre
and worship God with trembling and fear
before we can tick that salvation box
The scriptures are the final authority
and if we don't follow the simplest of rules,
the most basic commandment, which you overlook time and time again
then why would God give us the spirit to understand the harder things?
The holy spirit is a gift.
You can't take it by force.
Jn 2:23 Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name.
Jn 2:24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men.
Jn 2:25 He did not need man’s testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man.if what I have said is false then I have offended God and his son ,
but if I have said the truth from his word then let God give me glory NOT MEN,
Yes, good answer.
Just like the apostle Paul,
He really believed he was doing the right thing when he persecuted the christians, for in his heart he thought it right.
But Jesus showed him otherwise. Then he realised the mistake, and that's why he called himself the chief sinner, because he was the one who gave authority to murder his brethren, and was sore by this.
Today we don't have Jesus showing himself personally to wake us up, but he does work in mysterious ways, for those he loves.
J42And I must be shaken up ,right ,because it is obvious that you must be right and I must be wrong,because it absolutely can not be you ,right
I this is not new to me ,many. Religion use that way ,wen they can not prove that what they believe is found in scriptures,
Now is for time out ,conversation is dead
Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2012,09:33) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2012,16:24) Hi Pierre, Is this thread now open to all? – or do you
need to interrogate Devolution privately more?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
it seems that Devolution as gone and left to his relatif to do the works
Hello Pierre,Not so, i have been working away from home recently & will be doing so more & more in future.
Wakeup & J42 can speak in my place anytime they like, we see & hear the same Word.
We have answered all your questions, it is all there. We have many scriptures to back what we are saying, you have only a few, and even those you use i/we disagree with and see things you do not.
So there is no use going over the same thing over & over & over & over & over.Cheers.
Quote (Devolution @ July 27 2012,06:23) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2012,09:33) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2012,16:24) Hi Pierre, Is this thread now open to all? – or do you
need to interrogate Devolution privately more?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
it seems that Devolution as gone and left to his relatif to do the works
Hello Pierre,Not so, i have been working away from home recently & will be doing so more & more in future.
Wakeup & J42 can speak in my place anytime they like, we see & hear the same Word.
We have answered all your questions, it is all there. We have many scriptures to back what we are saying, you have only a few, and even those you use i/we disagree with and see things you do not.
So there is no use going over the same thing over & over & over & over & over.Cheers.
yeahQuote (journey42 @ July 26 2012,10:19) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2012,09:33) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2012,16:24) Hi Pierre, Is this thread now open to all? – or do you
need to interrogate Devolution privately more?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
it seems that Devolution as gone and left to his relatif to do the works
It doesn't matter,
you will find all our answers the same.
The same truth.
(1)Three witnesses in total agreement.You will not find any other three in agreement here.
And I don't see anyone backing you up
we have explained to you with scriptures,
and put them together for you
easy to understand and connect
this is how you seek, put everything together so
there are no contradictions, but perfect harmony in the scriptures.
The whole picture.(2)And if you were really born again in the spirit,
a new man in Christ, this type of renewing of the mind
then you wouldn't carry on the way you do against your brethren,
so proud, and full of self righteousness
we always have to check and go over our works Pierre
and worship God with trembling and fear
before we can tick that salvation box
The scriptures are the final authority
and if we don't follow the simplest of rules,
the most basic commandment, which you overlook time and time again
then why would God give us the spirit to understand the harder things?
The holy spirit is a gift.
You can't take it by force.
Hi Georgie,1) Wakeup believes he won't be born again until he is resurrected; do you believe differently? (based on point #2)
2) Is this comment for Pierre or me?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 27 2012,06:44) Quote (journey42 @ July 26 2012,10:19) Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2012,09:33) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2012,16:24) Hi Pierre, Is this thread now open to all? – or do you
need to interrogate Devolution privately more?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
it seems that Devolution as gone and left to his relatif to do the works
It doesn't matter,
you will find all our answers the same.
The same truth.
(1)Three witnesses in total agreement.You will not find any other three in agreement here.
And I don't see anyone backing you up
we have explained to you with scriptures,
and put them together for you
easy to understand and connect
this is how you seek, put everything together so
there are no contradictions, but perfect harmony in the scriptures.
The whole picture.(2)And if you were really born again in the spirit,
a new man in Christ, this type of renewing of the mind
then you wouldn't carry on the way you do against your brethren,
so proud, and full of self righteousness
we always have to check and go over our works Pierre
and worship God with trembling and fear
before we can tick that salvation box
The scriptures are the final authority
and if we don't follow the simplest of rules,
the most basic commandment, which you overlook time and time again
then why would God give us the spirit to understand the harder things?
The holy spirit is a gift.
You can't take it by force.
Hi Georgie,1) Wakeup believes he won't be born again until he is resurrected; do you believe differently? (based on point #2)
2) Is this comment for Pierre or me?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Wakeup truly believes that he was born of water and blood ones.
And that he is flesh.
He will be born once more time,not out of water and blood, but out of spirit,and he will be spirit.He believes that he can only be born twice,and not more than twice.ie 3x.
1. born of water and blood.(yes).
2.born in spirit whilst still in the flesh.(no).
begotten of the spirit (yes).
3.Born of the spirit in a spirit body(yes).
———————————————-And You and Terra, have simply ignored my question regarding the kingdom of God being now for 2000years.And others have not made any comments?
The question was: If the kingdom of God is already here for 2000years, then why in the last days men will be more evil,not better?
2TIM.3:1.2.3.4.5. ?wakeup.
wakeup
Quote If the kingdom of God is already here for 2000years, then why in the last days men will be more evil,not better?
2TIM.3:1.2.3.4.5. ?2Ti 3:1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.
2Ti 3:2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,
2Ti 3:4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—
2Ti 3:5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
2Ti 3:6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires,
2Ti 3:7 always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth.
2Ti 3:8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth—men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.
2Ti 3:9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone2Ti 3:10 You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance,
2Ti 3:11 persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them.
2Ti 3:12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,what are the last days or of what
when would be the last days people are people ,but why would it not be possible that the last days are in Paul s time
because Paul was the beginning of the preaching of God gospel and so he could not refer to his own time ,but to a time were the word of God would largely spread out to the world and that time comes with the invention of the printing machine 1400 AD + or – from now on the distribution of the word of God will be spread like lightening and fire,
but this also is only the second beginning were God will prepare things for what will be the end,because of all the work done 2 0r 3 hundred years ago we have received many blessings today,but that was only the start of it ,today I mean the passed good 10 years computer years the flow of information is so vast that it is impossible to one men to learn it all ,the knowledge available is so good and so multiple ,it as become a curse to those who seek the truth of God ,but not impossible because it is not the amount of knowledge that saves us but the attitude toward s God and his son Jesus Christ words ,true Christians will make their own live the focus of God s will this is what save us ,we must delete all men made opinions,ideas,in our mind and hearts ,we have to come to God and Christ with a pure heart .
Quote (terraricca @ July 27 2012,12:54) wakeup Quote If the kingdom of God is already here for 2000years, then why in the last days men will be more evil,not better?
2TIM.3:1.2.3.4.5. ?2Ti 3:1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.
2Ti 3:2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,
2Ti 3:4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—
2Ti 3:5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
2Ti 3:6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires,
2Ti 3:7 always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth.
2Ti 3:8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth—men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.
2Ti 3:9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone2Ti 3:10 You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance,
2Ti 3:11 persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them.
2Ti 3:12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,what are the last days or of what
when would be the last days people are people ,but why would it not be possible that the last days are in Paul s time
because Paul was the beginning of the preaching of God gospel and so he could not refer to his own time ,but to a time were the word of God would largely spread out to the world and that time comes with the invention of the printing machine 1400 AD + or – from now on the distribution of the word of God will be spread like lightening and fire,
but this also is only the second beginning were God will prepare things for what will be the end,because of all the work done 2 0r 3 hundred years ago we have received many blessings today,but that was only the start of it ,today I mean the passed good 10 years computer years the flow of information is so vast that it is impossible to one men to learn it all ,the knowledge available is so good and so multiple ,it as become a curse to those who seek the truth of God ,but not impossible because it is not the amount of knowledge that saves us but the attitude toward s God and his son Jesus Christ words ,true Christians will make their own live the focus of God s will this is what save us ,we must delete all men made opinions,ideas,in our mind and hearts ,we have to come to God and Christ with a pure heart .
Yes Terra,as we now have computers,we also have many false teachings floating in the air.When He said ,in the last days,he means the last days just before the coming,this is obvious.
And this world has not improved at all, but has gone spiritually down the drain. So my question is; how come; when we suppose to be in the kingdom for 2000years now?What good is this kingdom,with Christ ruling? Its getting worse,not better.(we need an election for another king?).
Is Christ not worthy to be ruler? can he not manage?Or is there something wrong with our interpretation of his kingdom being now,today for 2000 years now?
I need the answer;why?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 27 2012,10:37) Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2012,06:44) Hi Georgie, Wakeup believes he won't be born again until he is resurrected; do you believe differently? (based on point #2)
God bless
Ed J
EDJ.Wakeup truly believes that he was born of water and blood ones.
And that he is flesh.
He will be born once more time,not out of water and blood, but out of spirit,and he will be spirit.He believes that he can only be born twice,and not more than twice.ie 3x.
1. born of water and blood.(yes).
2.born in spirit whilst still in the flesh.(no).
begotten of the spirit (yes).
3.Born of the spirit in a spirit body(yes).wakeup.
Hi Wakeup, I suggest that you consider this verse…“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,
if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.” (Romans 8:9) …well, does he dwell in you or not?Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ July 27 2012,10:37) (1)You and Terra, have simply ignored my question regarding the kingdom of God being now for 2000years.And others have not made any comments? (2)The question was: If the kingdom of God is already here for 2000years, then why in the last days men will be more evil,not better?
2TIM.3:1.2.3.4.5. ?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,1) How so?
2) Answer – Rev.22:11God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgwakeup
Quote So my question is; how come; when we suppose to be in the kingdom for 2000years now? who says so
JN 12:32 “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men(true believers) to Myself.”
MT 24:9 “ Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
Mt 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Mt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Mt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Mt 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
Mt 5:10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
Mt 5:12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.all the above words of Christ are addressed to the 144k that will be redeemed from the earth
Mt 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.
if a true disciple of Christ make a new disciple He bring that disciple to God and his son ,because all their deeds are made for the glory of God and his son ,so religion can not do this because they serve themselves first and do not deliver the light .
each one of those verses can turn into a question ;like verse 8; what is having a pure heart
Pierre,
Though that may be how you believe, yet
it is “NOT” an answer to Wakeup's question.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 27 2012,23:31) Pierre, Though that may be how you believe, yet
it is “NOT” an answer to Wakeup's question.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjI agree but there is a part of his answer in it ,so I wait that he comes back to me ,on this
Pierre, (you too Ed)
Lets be clear one last time:
Because the disciples were given power, you say this is the proof that the promised kingdom is now set up on earth?I await.
Quote (Devolution @ July 28 2012,18:29) Pierre, (you too Ed) Lets be clear one last time:
Because the disciples were given power, you say this is the proof that the promised kingdom is now set up on earth?I await.
DevoWere did I say this
Quote (Devolution @ July 28 2012,11:29) Pierre, (you too Ed) Lets be clear one last time:
Because the disciples were given power, you say this is the proof that the promised kingdom is now set up on earth?I await.
Hi Devolution; No, I didn't say that, but what I do say is…“The kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness,
and peace, and joy in the HolySpirit.” (Romans 14:17)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,12:17) Quote (Devolution @ July 28 2012,11:29) Pierre, (you too Ed) Lets be clear one last time:
Because the disciples were given power, you say this is the proof that the promised kingdom is now set up on earth?I await.
Hi Devolution; No, I didn't say that, but what I do say is…“The kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness,
and peace, and joy in the HolySpirit.” (Romans 14:17)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
“he showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs,
being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things
pertaining to the kingdom of God:” (Acts 1:3)Quote (Ed J @ July 28 2012,12:23) 2,000 years plus into the future? NO… Pentecost!
EdJ.You also have not addressed my question.
Why are people worse today according to 2 Tim.:3.
Spirit or no spirit people are worse in spirit today.
Is Jesus incapable of ruling for 2000 years now:
Do we need a new king?wakeup.
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