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Quote (terraricca @ July 21 2012,09:03) devo 1 Corinthians 15
23 >But every man in his own order, Christ the firstfruits, afterward they that are Christs AT HIS COMING.1Co 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
1Co 15:24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.so who is the FIRST FRUITS
144K THEN THOSE WHO BELONG TO HIM AND THEN THE END WILL COME Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.so now the end is come ;;
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
PierreThat doesn't quite show us what you are saying.
Can you be more clear?You talk about the first fruits, then jump straight to judgement day which is 1000 years later?
There are gaps missing
1 Corinth 15:23 – 24 is condensed.
We know Christ has to rule for a thousand years first, right?
then he will hand back the kingdom to his Father.The books are opened on JUDGEMENT DAY,
a 1000 years after Christ's reign.
Even after the battle of God and Magog,
when they attack the holy camp (kingdom on earth, in JERUSALEM)
when Satan is released, and finally destroyed…not locked up.You have to search the scriptures for the missing bits
GO TO REVELATIONS. >It reveals.
When his job is done,
and he has destroyed the last enemy….
DEATHYou do also realise that more than just the 144,000 will meet with Christ in the air? The 144,000 are just FIRST.
Then the rest come interraricca,July wrote:[/quote]
Pierre,Quote Daniel 7:26
But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.I have explain to you that the judgement is the judgement of the POWER (ruling the world);not of men ,that it is given to Gods king ,Jesus Christ and his saints
*Pierre, Jesus has been given power over the earth YES….but He has not yet come to enforce that power over the nations yet.
*You said that the end of the statue was with the Roman empire.
*You said that meant that Christ had already set up His kingdom.
*That would mean that Christ is now exercising His power over the world & has been doing so since the end of the Roman Empire.
*I understood everything you meant all along Pierre.
*So that would mean that all the other prophecies which i just laid out for you have to happen too & at the same time that Christ begins exercising His POWER over the earth
*Because as soon as Satan is stripped of his power over the nations, Jesus takes control.
*There is no “lingo” period where men rule themselves free of Satan or free of Jesus Pierre.
*Either Satan rules over the nations of the earth, or Jesus rules, no in between okay…none at all…one rules then the Other. That's it.
*And when Jesus finally exercises His power over the world, scripture is clear as to what happens at that very point of takeover…
*Satan gets locked up.
*Which, by your interpretation, means that Christs kingdom must right now be inhabited with His SAINTS if Christs kingdom is already set up as you say.
*But His saints are not yet resurrected, that happens at the 2nd coming.
*Not forgetting then, that since you say Christ has already set up His kingdom, that every nation on earth since the end of the statue (Roman Empire) must be obeying Christ in every single decision/action that they do, but this is not happening.
*Not happening at all.
*Therefore, your interpretation on this whole subject has to be wrong.
*That is not mocking you, that is pointing out what the scriptures say.
*Which leads us to the very next verse which verse goes hand in hand with this one and explains what happens next, which is what i have been saying all along….Daniel 7:27
And the kingdom and dominion and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and ALL DOMINIONS shall SERVE and OBEY Him.*Where is the power of the saints over the nations then Pierre?
*The saints have no power over anything except who they worship.
*And where is the below scripture happening if the kingdom is already set up then Pierre:Psalm 149
5 > Let the saints be joyful in glory, let them sing aloud on their beds.
6 > Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two edged sword in their hand;
7 > To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people.
8 > To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron.
9 > To execute upon them the judgment written, this honor have all His saints. Praise ye the Lord.Pierre, there are hundreds of prophecies related to this subject of the kingdom and its being set up. None of them match with the kingdom already being set up, none, because if the kingdom was already set up, then hundreds of prophecies must be WRONG.
YES, Christ has been given power over the nations, He just hasn't come to take that power here on earth YET…Satan is still very much in control over the kingdoms that he has been allowed to rule…for now. And when Satan gets locked up, is when Satan loses rule over the earths nations. And not before.
You need to examine those scriptures i pointed out in that big post, because they speak for themselves.Quote (terraricca @ July 21 2012,08:55) devo Zec 14:1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided among you.
Zec 14:2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle.Lk 23:27 A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him.
Lk 23:28 Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children.
Lk 23:29 For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’
Lk 23:30 Then
“ ‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!”
and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’
Lk 23:31 For if men do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?”the allusion of Christ to the green tree ;mean when he was free and start to gather his pen of sheep, the allusion to dry tree;means when the day comes that their is no longer any one worth for the kingdom in Jerusalem, then Jerusalem would be destroyed (70 AD)
Pierre,*Don't you realize that when Israel was smashed in 70 ad, that it was only Israel that was destroyed?
*Only Israel was punished
*All other nations continued & prospered
*So where was the fighting Jesus was going to do against all those nations?
*It didn't happen!!!
*ONLY ISRAEL WAS FOUGHT AGAINST
*But Jesus said He would there and then go out and fight those nations ATTACKING ISRAEL…ALL the NATIONS
*Did Jesus STOP Rome destroying Jerusalem? NO.
*Didn't you pick up in Zechariah that there would still be inhabitants in Jerusalem when the Lord begins to fight & punish all the nations that came against her?
*Didn't you notice in Zechariah that only half of the city goes into captivity???
*Didn't you read the testimony of official eyewitness records that Jerusalem was totally devoid of inhabitants after being razed to the ground?
*Don't you realize that not just half of the city was destroyed, but all of it, everything in Jerusalem except for one Roman garrison stationed there was RAZED to the ground???
*BESIDES, Didn't you notice in Zechariah that the city, & only half of it, is not actually destroyed, but instead, goes into captivity…not destroyed Pierre..captive!!!
*Don't you realize that it was only Rome that attacked Israel?
*NOT by the will of ALL THE NATIONS was Israel attacked??
*Didn't you read historic accounts of how the inhabitants of the other nations who saw the ruins over time were shocked at how Rome razed such a beautiful city and how the other nations had no part in it at all?
*Pierre, you are making many mistakes here. I extend my hand humbly if only you would accept….then we could fix that one thing that makes you make all these mistakes….that one thing of when the kingdom was set up. Fix that, and your knowledge on this will be refined much greater than what it is right now….ONE THING Pierre, is that so hard for you to redefine? Heck, we've all made mistakes bro
Quote (terraricca @ July 21 2012,09:03) devo 1 Corinthians 15
23 >But every man in his own order, Christ the firstfruits, afterward they that are Christs AT HIS COMING.1Co 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
1Co 15:24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.so who is the FIRST FRUITS
144K THEN THOSE WHO BELONG TO HIM AND THEN THE END WILL COME Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.so now the end is come ;;
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
Pierre,You are mixing two events here again.
You have to realize that God generalizes a lot. A LOT.
Generalizing in Gods prophetic regard, is compressing a long explanation(s) into a small explanation containing the main points rolled into one overall declaration.
This is where so many people go wrong.Quote so who is the FIRST FRUITS 144K THEN THOSE WHO BELONG TO HIM AND THEN THE END WILL COME Here see if you can see what i am trying to tell you before i tell you okay?:Revelation 7:1-3…all the clues you need are right here to begin with…
devo
before going any further please explain to me what this verse says, and what you understand ok
Daniel 7:27
And the kingdom and dominion and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and ALL DOMINIONS shall SERVE and OBEY Him.Quote (terraricca @ July 22 2012,01:56) devo before going any further please explain to me what this verse says, and what you understand ok
Daniel 7:27
And the kingdom and dominion and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and ALL DOMINIONS shall SERVE and OBEY Him.
Why don't you quote the verses before itDaniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Daniel 7:26 But the judgement shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, [/b]shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High[/b], whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Now it makes more sense.
The false prophet will wear out the saints for 3 1/2 years.
Then Judgement for him, and his dominion taken away
Now the kingdom is given to the saints,
then all dominions (nations) shall serve him
In that order Pierre.Quote (terraricca @ July 22 2012,01:56) devo before going any further please explain to me what this verse says, and what you understand ok
Daniel 7:27
And the kingdom and dominion and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and ALL DOMINIONS shall SERVE and OBEY Him.
Pierre…first:Luke 21
25 > And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars, and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
26 > Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven shall be shaken
27 > And then shall they see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory
28 > And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draweth nigh.
…Jesus gives a parable & continues…
31 > So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand
It matters not what is written before these verses i gave, nor after these verses. Because verse 31 sums up all those previous verses in one grand statement….that when ye see (all) these things come to pass…that includes Jesus coming in the clouds, for that was in the description of all the SIGNS to expect leading UP TO THAT EVENT, even seeing Him NEARING/APPROACHING/COMING/2nd COMING, then know that the kingdom of God is nigh AT HAND.
Christ laid it all out plainly for us.
That the kingdom comes with His 2nd coming.
When we see Christ coming/approaching in the clouds, know that the kingdom is AT HAND…at hand = NEAR/SOON/ABOUT TO HAPPEN.
And where is it coming to?
EARTH.
Also note:2 Timothy 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom.
His appearing & His kingdom come to be set upQuote before going any further please explain to me what this verse says, and what you understand ok Daniel 7:27
And the kingdom and dominion and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and ALL DOMINIONS shall SERVE and OBEY Him.FIRST: Notice that the kingdom is under the whole heaven, not above heaven/the heavens, not in heaven/the heavens, but under heaven/the heavens. Either interpretation of heaven or heavens…it is UNDER them. And what is under the heaven/heavens? Earth is. So it is a earthly kingdom where ALL DOMINIONS shall SERVE and OBEY Him. So this kingdom is under the heaven, therefore to be set up, it first needs to be built here on earth…set up on earth, not set up in heaven, but prepared from heaven to set up on earth.
Anyway…Pierre, Below….It looks big, but is pretty quick to read for a generalization, pleas read it all.
As i said, it's a generalization, so I will generalize.
*Christ has been promised a kingdom and has likewise promised His own (disciples) a kingdom also
Luke 22:29
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as My Father has appointed unto Me.
*Christ is in heaven at the moment preparing this kingdom.
John 13:2
In My Father's house are many mansions, if it were not so, I would not have told you, I go to prepare a place for you.
*And this preparation required that Jesus be preparing the kingdom from heaven for a very special reason:
Luke 16:7
Nevertheless, I tell you the truth, It is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you
*And this Comforter is the Spirit of Truth (the Holy Spirit).
John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of Truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of Me.
And with this Spirit, Christ is preparing/building something
Zechariah 6:12
And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Ephesians 2:21
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
And it is by that Spirit that we are being framed/fashioned ready to be set into place permanently within this temple that is still being built, we are growing to be ready to be put into place for when we have finally “matured” (Changed into spirit). And this temple is only finished being built when all the pieces are eventually fixed into place at the same time to form that very temple we are at this moment being shaped to fit into. You can not have a finished temple until ALL the “pieces are ready to be fitted”. And since that temple being built is made up of living “stones”, and that temple is for the kingdom/makes up the kingdom, and since you can not have a kingdom without inhabitants, the kingdom can thus only be set up when the temple is finally built
Zechariah 6:13
Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
And since Christ sits on His own throne in His kingdom, no longer at the right hand of His Father, so to speak, with His temple/church/inhabitants ruling with Him, them being appointed a kingdom also, then this is fulfilled:
Matthew 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
And where is His throne of glory to be?
Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
On Davids throne & KINGDOM which is in ISRAEL/JERUSALEM
Psalms 132:11
The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.
And this place is know by another name
Psalms 132:13
For the Lord has chosen Zion; He hath desir
ed it for His habitation.
And in Zion, in the kingdom that gets set up is where this finally occurs:
Psalms 132:14
This is my rest forever, here will I dwell, for I have desired it.
Only in this kingdom will the promised rest begin
1 Chronicles 22:10
He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever
And this kingdom will rule over Israel with Jesus and His saints who are resurrected into spirit and ruling over the flesh Jews for 1000 years, of who these Jews will in turn will teach all the survivors of the nations outside of this kingdom area.
Isaiah 16:5
And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.
Luke 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
This is why Jerusalem must be purged of all the wicked men & wicked angels when Christ comes to claim His kingdom. It is physically set up when it is finally claimed & cleansed:
Matthew 13:41
The Son of Man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity
And it is spiritually set up when the temple is completed and born into new buildings that make up the whole nation of spiritual Zion ruling over physical Zion ruling over the world
Isaiah 66
7 > Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child,
8 > Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children
Spiritual Zion will be born in one day. Gods Zion/nation/temple/city/church will be raised and changed into spirit in one day, and set up in Jerusalem to rule over the human Jews dwelling in the now restored physical kingdom of David of whom Jesus will directly rule over from that throne which will be restored as promised…just as scripture declared above.
And from the kingdom Christs rule will cover the whole earth, and every knee shall bow to Him and acknowledge Him as King of Kings. And this kingdom area is called Paradise. Paradise restored within her boundaries only. Outside, the survivors of the nations are to learn Christs laws, are to come up once a year to keep the feast of tabernacles and worship the King until the 1000 years is up & Satan is released for a short time before his final destruction & before the final judgment. This kingdoms inhabitants are both spirit & flesh, resurrected Christians teaching restored Jews teaching the outsiders till all things are to be accomplished before the Father will come down and dwell amongst everybody who will by then ALL be spirit after the 2nd resurrection has happened and ALL will be completed. Amendevo
Quote Pierre, Below….It looks big, but is pretty quick to read for a generalization, pleas read it all. As i said, it's a generalization, so I will generalize.
*Christ has been promised a kingdom and has likewise promised His own (disciples) a kingdom also
Luke 22:29did Christ promised a kingdom to his disciples
what sort of kingdom would that be Quote (journey42 @ July 22 2012,11:32) Quote (terraricca @ July 22 2012,01:56) devo before going any further please explain to me what this verse says, and what you understand ok
Daniel 7:27
And the kingdom and dominion and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and ALL DOMINIONS shall SERVE and OBEY Him.
Why don't you quote the verses before itDaniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Daniel 7:26 But the judgement shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, [/b]shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High[/b], whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Now it makes more sense.
The false prophet will wear out the saints for 3 1/2 years.
Then Judgement for him, and his dominion taken away
Now the kingdom is given to the saints,
then all dominions (nations) shall serve him
In that order Pierre.
devoQuote Why don't you quote the verses before it you quoted that verse by it self ,and so I ask but it seems you turn the table on me
Quote (terraricca @ July 22 2012,09:25) devo Quote Pierre, Below….It looks big, but is pretty quick to read for a generalization, pleas read it all. As i said, it's a generalization, so I will generalize.
*Christ has been promised a kingdom and has likewise promised His own (disciples) a kingdom also
Luke 22:29did Christ promised a kingdom to his disciples
what sort of kingdom would that be
When Christ returns, those who are alive will be caught up in the air to meet Him, and changed into spirit in the twinkling of an eye, and the dead also, only dead Christians, will be resurrected into spirit also to meet Him in the air. You have read these scriptures before, so i don't not need to quote them. So here is one group who are changed into everlasting spirit to be with Christ. These inherit the kingdom and reign with Christ on the earth just as He promised them a kingdom also. That is one group, and these are now spirit.And there is another group also. And this other group is not changed into spirit and caught up in the air to meet Christ at His 2nd coming like Christians were. Instead, this 2nd group is gathered out of the nations, and make their own way to Jerusalem.
Isaiah 2:3
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob, and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths, for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.And survivors of the nations will beg this group to take them with them to Jerusalem. They could not beg them if they were caught up into the clouds now could they, so again, this 2nd group is still flesh.
Isaiah 4:1
And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel, only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.And this all takes place after Jesus destroys Satan and mans rule over the earth and brings forth judgment to the world. And there shall be no war at all in the earth whilst Jesus reigns for that 1000 years.
Isaiah 2:4
And He shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people, and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks, nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.And in this kingdom, which is paradise restored only within that kingdom area, there will be no killing, even the animals will harm no person, no sinning, no fear, no repression, no confusion, but peace and stability will be the effect of His reign. And this will be a holy nation, a nation of priests and kings, and every human inhabitant in that kingdom will have resurrected spirit saints to help guide them in the Lords way.
Isaiah 11
6 > The wolf also shall with the Lamb, and the Leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them.
7 > And the cow and the bear shall feed, their young ones shall lie down together, and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 > And the suckling child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice's den.
9 > They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
It will be a peaceful kingdom with no violence of any sort from any inhabitant, be they spirit or human or animal.Isaiah 65
19 > And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in My people, and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 > There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days, for the child shall die and hundred years old, but the sinner (outside the kingdom area) being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 > And they shall build houses, and inhabit them, and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 > They shall not build and another inhabit, they shall not plant, and another eat, for as the days of a tree are the days of My people, and Mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 > They shall not labor in vain, nor bring forth trouble, for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 > And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer, and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 > The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock, and dust shall be the serpents meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, saith the Lord.
And the human inhabitants within this kingdom area will no more do anything in vain. No oppressor will be there to tax them, nor to make a profit out of them, nor to control them, nor to harm either them or harm any animal. And these human inhabitants will live a long full peaceful life before they die.Isaiah 30:20
And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers.
And after all the afflictions these Jews have gone through for their disobedience, this kingdom will finally be their rest that God promised so long ago. And in this kingdom, these restored Jews will finally heed their teachers and be taught the truth. And when they are not being being taught by Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, they will be able to not only see their teachers metaphorically (eyes to see/ears to hear), but their resurrected Christian teachers will appear before them as angels can and teach them pure truth of the Lord, and they will not brush these teachings aside anymore as in days past.
Isaiah 30:21
And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
And these Jews will have the resurrected Christians present with them, invisibly guiding them in all manner of scenarios. Their teachers will ever be present to assist them in the Lord.Isaiah 35
8 > And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called, The way of Holiness, the unclean shall not pass over it, but it shall be for those, the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
9 > No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there, but the redeemed shall walk there;
10 > And the ransomed of the Lord shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads, they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.
And there shall be a highway leading to this kingdom, and outside this kingdom where survivors live, and wild animals, none shall harm any that walk this highway, whether they be the redeemed walking thereon, or the foolish outsiders walking thereon…no outside w
ild animal or human will do any harm to any whilst on this holy highwayIsaiah 61:6
But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord, men shall call you the Ministers of our God, ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, ye shall boast yourselves.
And when these human redeemed are out in the world teaching, they will be supplied by the Gentiles (outsiders) all their wants. And they will be acknowledged by the survivors as Ministers of the Lord.Isaiah 61:9
And their seed shall be know among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people, all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the Lord hath blessed.
And there will be no more curse upon these redeemed Jews. Wherever they go when they are out in the world, they will no more be cursed by men, but instead will be acknowledged as blessed by the Lord.Isaiah 62:4
Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken, neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate, but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and they land Beulah, for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.
And these redeemed will live in a delightful kingdom and will be married to the Lord, never to be divorced ever again.Notice these redeemed human Jews will be living all the promises in the flesh that God made to them & their fathers.
Notice there are outsiders, and wild animals still roaming outside the kingdom area.
Notice God never promised this group He would change them into spirit at Christs 2nd coming like He did for Christians.
Notice there are two promises to be upheld.
One for Christians, one for non Christian Jews.
Notice these redeemed have to first live out the promises God swore would come to pass.
And in this kingdom is where they will get to learn of Christ, and finally accept their Messiah and receive the Holy Spirit which is used to change them into a new creature.
These have to basically go through the same process of spiritual growth as we did, for it is that Spirit that is given which is used to resurrect us.Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in youThese redeemed Jews from times past never had the Holy Spirit sent by Christ, the Comforter that only came into the world after Jesus was resurrected.
So how can Romans be fulfilled in them unless they are first raised in the flesh to receive this Spirit which is used to quicken them (change them into Spirit).devo
Quote Pierre, *Don't you realize that when Israel was smashed in 70 ad, that it was only Israel that was destroyed?
*Only Israel was punished
*All other nations continued & prospered
*So where was the fighting Jesus was going to do against all those nations?
*It didn't happen!!!
*ONLY ISRAEL WAS FOUGHT AGAINST
this is the point ;what does Israel as in common with God
up to 70 AD,and what did the gentiles nations had in common with God
Nothing beside being against him,and still do.after Christ dead the his new kingdom was set up and so the call to all nations was made by Gods king to whoever wanted to be part of that kingdom can be as long that they follow Gods will,this is still going on today ,so it is those world powers that loses his member for the profit of Gods kingdom ,and so prove his power over all other ,because every member of Gods kingdom go to the kingdom of his own free will, what on the other hand the world kingdom members are subdue by force ,corruption,or rejection of God and so voluntary chose to reject their creator.
now out of all those that chose the kingdom of God Christ picks those who will be part of the 144k that will be redeemed from the earth ,so in this way all nations on earth have lost their powers and can not control anything ,because the time to collect their corruption on their on heads has come,this is what the seven seals are all about .and their i mean the world powers CAN NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BESIDE FEELING POWERLESS ,and suffer the power of Gods king.
Quote (terraricca @ July 23 2012,01:04) devo Quote Pierre, *Don't you realize that when Israel was smashed in 70 ad, that it was only Israel that was destroyed?
*Only Israel was punished
*All other nations continued & prospered
*So where was the fighting Jesus was going to do against all those nations?
*It didn't happen!!!
*ONLY ISRAEL WAS FOUGHT AGAINST
this is the point ;what does Israel as in common with God
up to 70 AD,and what did the gentiles nations had in common with God
Nothing beside being against him,and still do.after Christ dead the his new kingdom was set up and so the call to all nations was made by Gods king to whoever wanted to be part of that kingdom can be as long that they follow Gods will,this is still going on today ,so it is those world powers that loses his member for the profit of Gods kingdom ,and so prove his power over all other ,because every member of Gods kingdom go to the kingdom of his own free will, what on the other hand the world kingdom members are subdue by force ,corruption,or rejection of God and so voluntary chose to reject their creator.
now out of all those that chose the kingdom of God Christ picks those who will be part of the 144k that will be redeemed from the earth ,so in this way all nations on earth have lost their powers and can not control anything ,because the time to collect their corruption on their on heads has come,this is what the seven seals are all about .and their i mean the world powers CAN NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BESIDE FEELING POWERLESS ,and suffer the power of Gods king.
Terra.So where is Christ ruling today?
And where are are the saints ruling with Christ for 2000yrs now?
Is he in jerusalem? Or is he ruling in space?Zech.2:12. And the lord shall inherit judah his portion IN THE HOLY LAND, and shall CHOOSE JERUSALEM AGAIN.
Where is it then, and today? please explain.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 23 2012,10:33) Quote (terraricca @ July 23 2012,01:04) devo Quote Pierre, *Don't you realize that when Israel was smashed in 70 ad, that it was only Israel that was destroyed?
*Only Israel was punished
*All other nations continued & prospered
*So where was the fighting Jesus was going to do against all those nations?
*It didn't happen!!!
*ONLY ISRAEL WAS FOUGHT AGAINST
this is the point ;what does Israel as in common with God
up to 70 AD,and what did the gentiles nations had in common with God
Nothing beside being against him,and still do.after Christ dead the his new kingdom was set up and so the call to all nations was made by Gods king to whoever wanted to be part of that kingdom can be as long that they follow Gods will,this is still going on today ,so it is those world powers that loses his member for the profit of Gods kingdom ,and so prove his power over all other ,because every member of Gods kingdom go to the kingdom of his own free will, what on the other hand the world kingdom members are subdue by force ,corruption,or rejection of God and so voluntary chose to reject their creator.
now out of all those that chose the kingdom of God Christ picks those who will be part of the 144k that will be redeemed from the earth ,so in this way all nations on earth have lost their powers and can not control anything ,because the time to collect their corruption on their on heads has come,this is what the seven seals are all about .and their i mean the world powers CAN NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BESIDE FEELING POWERLESS ,and suffer the power of Gods king.
Terra.So where is Christ ruling today?
And where are are the saints ruling with Christ for 2000yrs now?
Is he in jerusalem? Or is he ruling in space?Zech.2:12. And the lord shall inherit judah his portion IN THE HOLY LAND, and shall CHOOSE JERUSALEM AGAIN.
Where is it then, and today? please explain.
wakeup.
wakeupthe world power have lost their power in favor of Christ kingdom ,as soon that he gain that kingship,now all what his foretold can come trough but not for men ,but for Gods will to come in full powers ;the world powers are becoming less and less relevant and so will be destroyed ,with all of Satan organization ,but not before Gods appointed time and fulfillment of his word ,
to the true Christians that means that it is still a time for accepting Gods will as our own and do what is pleasing him ,so we can benefit from his grace and be saved by his king and son,
if you read scriptures you have to read them in the spirit of truth ,not trough the eyes of men ,big difference
wakeup
Quote So where is Christ ruling today? I know it is their and see it ,what I do not know is why you do not see it ,it could be because you look for it among the dead
wakeup
Quote Zech.2:12. And the lord shall inherit judah his portion IN THE HOLY LAND, and shall CHOOSE JERUSALEM AGAIN. Where is it then, and today? please explain.
Jerusalem or zion his now in heaven ,but in time wen Christ will have drained all what is to drain out of the world of men, and destroy dead ; then we will see it ;
REV 3:12 ‘ He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.
REV 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride(144k) adorned for her husband.
REV 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,wakeup
you did not answer my question ;here it is again ;this is the point ;what does Israel as in common with God up to 70 AD,???
Quote (terraricca @ July 23 2012,14:44) wakeup you did not answer my question ;here it is again ;this is the point ;what does Israel as in common with God up to 70 AD,???
Terra.I dont quite understand your question,but I will answer you anyway.
After israel is destroyed by babylon, some are taken to babylon to serve the king of babylon,but the rest are scattered through out the earth. They are the bad basket of figs.
Jesus came when the Romans were in power,israel as a sovereign nation does not exist.
Jesus came for the jews,but they rejected him;so he sends Paul to preach to the gentiles,and the converted gentiles are called spiritual israel. But God is not finish with israel,he will come back to israel again To give them another chance.
This will happen in the 1000yr reign when the resurved of israel will be brought back from the grave and taught for a 1000yrs.
As of today God is concerned with the spiritual israelites(gentile true followers).
So after 70ad christ is only dealing with the spiritual israelites.
But he will bring back again the nation israel in the flesh,and they will go through Christ in the kingdom.They will consist of the resurved ones only; from the past generation before Christ to this generation.God has not given up israel; the natural olive branch will be grafted back on to the tree,and they will be better than the grafted wild olive brach.
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ July 23 2012,03:54) Quote (Wakeup @ July 23 2012,10:33) Quote (terraricca @ July 23 2012,01:04) devo Quote Pierre, *Don't you realize that when Israel was smashed in 70 ad, that it was only Israel that was destroyed?
*Only Israel was punished
*All other nations continued & prospered
*So where was the fighting Jesus was going to do against all those nations?
*It didn't happen!!!
*ONLY ISRAEL WAS FOUGHT AGAINST
this is the point ;what does Israel as in common with God
up to 70 AD,and what did the gentiles nations had in common with God
Nothing beside being against him,and still do.after Christ dead the his new kingdom was set up and so the call to all nations was made by Gods king to whoever wanted to be part of that kingdom can be as long that they follow Gods will,this is still going on today ,so it is those world powers that loses his member for the profit of Gods kingdom ,and so prove his power over all other ,because every member of Gods kingdom go to the kingdom of his own free will, what on the other hand the world kingdom members are subdue by force ,corruption,or rejection of God and so voluntary chose to reject their creator.
now out of all those that chose the kingdom of God Christ picks those who will be part of the 144k that will be redeemed from the earth ,so in this way all nations on earth have lost their powers and can not control anything ,because the time to collect their corruption on their on heads has come,this is what the seven seals are all about .and their i mean the world powers CAN NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BESIDE FEELING POWERLESS ,and suffer the power of Gods king.
Terra.So where is Christ ruling today?
And where are are the saints ruling with Christ for 2000yrs now?
Is he in jerusalem? Or is he ruling in space?Zech.2:12. And the lord shall inherit judah his portion IN THE HOLY LAND, and shall CHOOSE JERUSALEM AGAIN.
Where is it then, and today? please explain.
wakeup.
wakeupthe world power have lost their power in favor of Christ kingdom ,as soon that he gain that kingship,now all what his foretold can come trough but not for men ,but for Gods will to come in full powers ;the world powers are becoming less and less relevant and so will be destroyed ,with all of Satan organization ,but not before Gods appointed time and fulfillment of his word ,
to the true Christians that means that it is still a time for accepting Gods will as our own and do what is pleasing him ,so we can benefit from his grace and be saved by his king and son,
if you read scriptures you have to read them in the spirit of truth ,not trough the eyes of men ,big difference
Terra.Where are the saints ruling today?
You say the world will lose its power:
But this is not what the scriptures say.
jesus says that in the last days iniquity shall increase,and evil will reach the top and then the end will come.In the last days the love of many will go cold,and shall heap up to themslves doctrine of devils.
God also said that he will send great delusions.So how can you say the opposite;that the world will lose its power because of the kingdom of God?
wakeup.
wakeup
my question ;what does Israel as in common with God up to 70 AD,???
Quote Terra. I dont quite understand your question,but I will answer you anyway.
After israel is destroyed by babylon, some are taken to babylon to serve the king of babylon,but the rest are scattered through out the earth. They are the bad basket of figs.
Jesus came when the Romans were in power,israel as a sovereign nation does not exist.
all your answers are wrong ,Israel until its final destruction ad the temple of God and the law of Moses ,but when the temple was totally destroyed Israel had NOTHING LEFT OF WHAT WAS OF GOD ,IT WAS SO TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM,AND BECAME LIKE THE NATIONS AROUND THEM ,AND SO NOW GOD TAKES AN NATION OUT OF ALL NATION.FOR HIS NAME
WAKEUP
Quote As of today God is concerned with the spiritual israelites(gentile true followers). So after 70ad christ is only dealing with the spiritual israelites.
But he will bring back again the nation israel in the flesh,and they will go through Christ in the kingdom.They will consist of the resurved ones only; from the past generation before Christ to this generation.God has not given up israel; the natural olive branch will be grafted back on to the tree,and they will be better than the grafted wild olive brach.
wakeup.
if you can tell me ; WHAT IS A NATURAL BRANCH
AND WHAT WAS THE STEM AND WHAT WAS THE FRUIT OF THE OLIVE TREE
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