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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2008,22:23) Hi CO,
Did you miss my reply?God saves everyman everyday.
But eternal salvation is not for all.
The lake of fire is stoked for the goats.
Nick God not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that through Him all might be saveth.
We have a very loving God and He send His Son to save us not to condemn us.
All will have a chance in the Mileinium, all in due order. Only the truth will be taught by Jesus and the elect. Then Satan will be loosed and all will be tested, if then mankind will rebell they will get the Lake of Fire, not before.
Peace and Love IreneHi Irene,
All get a second chance in the millenium?
When most are still buried and awaiting the second resurrection??two all……….the Millennium period (IN MY OPINION) is only to prove a point and shut every ones mouth in the future, Lets look at it…> The advesaries are bound for a thousand years
So no more resistance to Good is in the earth, the saints rule with Jesus , the Animals natures are even changed and the word of God goes out into all the earth and People of all the earth will respond and begin to live perfect lives and God commandments will all be kept, you might say a perfect world . No more Evil influence (UTOPIA) so to speak. a thusand years of God's word and teachings and no rsistence to it. But what Happens at the end Advesarys are released back into the earth and the whole earth goes that way and forces the saints back to Jerusalem and they gather a great army to attack Jerusalem and fire comes down from heave and deviors them all. What happened to all the perfect people to cause them to do that they were taught God's laws for a thousand years and in Just a short time they all try to kill the Saints of God and Jesus. was there a point to all of this that God is getting across ?. Yes there is it a very simple point You see what happens when a person who doesn't have God's spirit in then to (KEEP) them from trunning to Evil no matter how good the enviorment is, with out God being in you and continually guiding and keepin you you will turn when evil comes Just as the whole world does at the end of the Millennium period. Even Jesus and the Saints and a perfect world could not Keep itself right. Point is a big one that God wants every one to learn so no one can say (I) could have Not failed by My (OWN) so-called Free WILL. And the thousand years proves that point once and for ever. No matter who perfect the situation is GOD the Father Must be in you or you will never maintain righteousness for ever, the only we can He must indwell us, and guide our minds and keep us.May the lord bless you and (KEEP) you the words are true……….gene
Hi GB,
Of course only the saints will have been resurrected.
You show well the influence of THE ADVERSARYRev20
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Ps 2 shows the revolt well
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 02 2008,05:29) two all……….the Millennium period (IN MY OPINION) is only to prove a point and shut every ones mouth in the future, Lets look at it…> The advesaries are bound for a thousand years
So no more resistance to Good is in the earth, the saints rule with Jesus , the Animals natures are even changed and the word of God goes out into all the earth and People of all the earth will respond and begin to live perfect lives and God commandments will all be kept, you might say a perfect world . No more Evil influence (UTOPIA) so to speak. a thusand years of God's word and teachings and no rsistence to it. But what Happens at the end Advesarys are released back into the earth and the whole earth goes that way and forces the saints back to Jerusalem and they gather a great army to attack Jerusalem and fire comes down from heave and deviors them all. What happened to all the perfect people to cause them to do that they were taught God's laws for a thousand years and in Just a short time they all try to kill the Saints of God and Jesus. was there a point to all of this that God is getting across ?. Yes there is it a very simple point You see what happens when a person who doesn't have God's spirit in then to (KEEP) them from trunning to Evil no matter how good the enviorment is, with out God being in you and continually guiding and keepin you you will turn when evil comes Just as the whole world does at the end of the Millennium period. Even Jesus and the Saints and a perfect world could not Keep itself right. Point is a big one that God wants every one to learn so no one can say (I) could have Not failed by My (OWN) so-called Free WILL. And the thousand years proves that point once and for ever. No matter who perfect the situation is GOD the Father Must be in you or you will never maintain righteousness for ever, the only we can He must indwell us, and guide our minds and keep us.May the lord bless you and (KEEP) you the words are true……….gene
Hi brother Gene,
That's really a wonderful post. I am blessed by that. Now I can get the clear picture of how wrong we are when we say we have 'free will' to coose God and good. A 1000 years period was not sufficient to prove this blunder for even at the point of view of saints of God?May God continue to reveal more truth through you.
Peace to you.
AdamHi Nick,
You don't impress people by just copy and paste of so many verses. Why don't you explain some thing in your simple words what you understood.
Sorry to point out this.
Thanks
AdamAdam…….So you see the thousand year peroid that hopefully we will be in whit our brother the King is Just to Prove a very Bug Point to all man Kind so no one can say there own (free wills) can keep them in righteousness, The Father must be indwelling us for that to happen, notice Jesus and the Saints did not follow the Adversaries when they were released.
There is another scripture where it says they shall wear out the Saints of the Most High, I believe the are the self righteous at the end of the thousand year period, when the Saints are going to be pleading with them not to rebel. The Saint's will be telling they need the spirit of God in then to be truly righteous but they will say we keep all of God laws and commandment and the do until the adversaries are released and begin to influence their minds and the immediately they go along with them. Big lesson that needs to be learn by all.
Our Father is (SOVEREIGN) over all things. And without him nothing will remain right for ever, but with him working His will in us All and Through Us All it will work.Peace to you and yours……………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 02 2008,15:07) Adam…….So you see the thousand year peroid that hopefully we will be in whit our brother the King is Just to Prove a very Bug Point to all man Kind so no one can say there own (free wills) can keep them in righteousness, The Father must be indwelling us for that to happen, notice Jesus and the Saints did not follow the Adversaries when they were released. There is another scripture where it says they shall wear out the Saints of the Most High, I believe the are the self righteous at the end of the thousand year period, when the Saints are going to be pleading with them not to rebel. The Saint's will be telling they need the spirit of God in then to be truly righteous but they will say we keep all of God laws and commandment and the do until the adversaries are released and begin to influence their minds and the immediately they go along with them. Big lesson that needs to be learn by all.
Our Father is (SOVEREIGN) over all things. And without him nothing will remain right for ever, but with him working His will in us All and Through Us All it will work.Peace to you and yours……………gene
Amen to that postQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 02 2008,07:38) Hi GB,
Of course only the saints will have been resurrected.
You show well the influence of THE ADVERSARYRev20
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Ps 2 shows the revolt well
That the first resurrection that will make those that are worthy to become a Spirit being we know are the Saints that died a cruel and tortures dead like Christ did. But question when they that reign with Christ a thousand years, who are they going to rule and teach? Remember not many are left. So why would Jesus need a multitude that stand in front of the throne who are Spirit beings Rev. 7 along with the 10 tribes explained in Rev. 6 that will reign with Christ in the Millennium? Who are they going to rule? Do you believe it is fair because not all truths are being taught right now, that they will get the Lake of fire? No. All will know the truth and will be tried then and then if they do not repent and follow God will they get the Lake of fire. And that will happen during the Millennium I believe. My Memory is kind of bad, so I have to ask my Husband for the prove tomorrow and I will get back with it tomorrow. In the mean time I did want to write this.
Peace and Love IreneThe prove is this:
1Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order…Every one that dies will be resurrected, but not all at once, that is what the millennium is for. Christ will teach the truth to every soul. And Peter tells us, it is during that time, if you don't listen to Christ, you will get the lake of fire, destroyed for ever.
Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not here that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
During the millennium there will be no denominations to choose from, no guessing as what is truth. God will open the minds of every one, and only those that refuse to listen, will get the lake of fire.
Irene
Hi Irene,
There will be a remnant of the nations.
It does not say anywhere that all men will die.
Fairness is not for us to judge or we judge our God.
God has left plenty of room for mercy.
We do not arrange things by logic.What we cannot show from scripture is only useless opinion.
Hi Nick
You are absolutely correct, because that is what the bible says too.
Zech. 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
They will be taught first, and gradually the rest of the dead will be resurrected and be taught too.
Irene
GB
The scripture you are referring to, where he will wear out the saints,Dan. 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High , and shall wear out the saints of the most High,…
referred to Antichrist, who ruled from A.D. 565 until A.D. 1825.
IM4Truth
Irene….It could be, but it could also be referring to the end of the millennium period.
Niclk…..Heb 9:26…> it is appointed for man once to die and after that the Judgment.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 03 2008,01:35) Irene….It could be, but it could also be referring to the end of the millennium period. Nick…..Heb 9:26…> it is appointed for man once to die and after that the Judgment.
Gen Please pay attention who sign's the post. I know it is somewhat hard, but my Husband and I do use the same users name. But He will use His signature who is IM4Truth. Thank you.
Peace and Love IreneAdam I believe most of what my Husband does. But being 70 years old on Sunday and with Lupus my memory does not serve me to well. I do know what is in the Bible, but sometimes the Scripture does not come to mind.
In the Millennium there will Universalism and Jesus Christ will be our Teacher. In to days world I don't believe in what they teach, because of so many false doctrines, like the trinity and believing that Maria stayed a Virgin.
Peace and Love IreneHi Irene,
This second and GRADUAL RESURRECTION?
Is it written? Jn5First Resurrection
24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Second Resurrection
28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
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