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Hi,
BD claims to teach progressive revelation. He thinks the Spirit of God moved on from Christ's teaching and his teaching work through the apostles.Not only that he offers to go back and correct scripture from his own new knowledge.
Such nonsense has been the favourite idea of every false teacher who begins a false religion.
Few have taken up his offers here but he keeps banging his head against the wall of truth. It must hurt.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,11:44) Hi,
BD claims to teach progressive revelation. He thinks the Spirit of God moved on from Christ's teaching and his teaching work through the apostles.Not only that he offers to go back and correct scripture from his own new knowledge.
Such nonsense has been the favourite idea of every false teacher who begins a false religion.
Few have taken up his offers here but he keeps banging his head against the wall of truth. It must hurt.
Is there not progressive revelation?Hi BD,
Not through you or Muhammed.
Christ yet works but the Spirit does not teach of His own initiative.[Jn16]Hi BD,
It is plain that you do not accept the foundation of revelation we have already been given.
So what sort of position does that put you in when it comes to offering to add to it?Hi BD,
Your attacks on the scriptures suggest that you are either not being honest about believing it and wanting to add to it for us or you have also divorced yourself from Islam and now want to be your own god. Is this so?Hi BD,
You want to find fault with holy scripture but do not offer that you have found any yet in the quran.
Is your hope to make the quran the foundation of belief?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,11:54) Hi BD,
Not through you or Muhammed.
Christ yet works but the Spirit does not teach of His own initiative.[Jn16]
Through Muhammad or whomever God chooses.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,12:12) Hi BD,
It is plain that you do not accept the foundation of revelation we have already been given.
So what sort of position does that put you in when it comes to offering to add to it?
The Foundation of revelations do not start in the New Testament, That is the foundation of what you learned others have different foundation to Jews the Torah is their foundation and focus and from their they have continuously developed and progressed over time. Christians start at the New Testament and primarily look in the Old testament to seek more depth about Christ and Muslims have their foundation in the Quran which is like reading the OT and the NT at the same time giving the Muslim a desire to study the books of the bible as well.When all 3 are viewed from the perspective foundation points clarity is constantly increased and any animosity or misunderstanding decreases.
Since some hold tight more to their foundational perspective than to God Himself they pit their perspectives against others instead of loving others.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,12:32) Hi BD,
You want to find fault with holy scripture but do not offer that you have found any yet in the quran.
Is your hope to make the quran the foundation of belief?
My foundation is God Almighty.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,12:16) Hi BD,
Your attacks on the scriptures suggest that you are either not being honest about believing it and wanting to add to it for us or you have also divorced yourself from Islam and now want to be your own god. Is this so?
I am bound to God Almighty and I believe in what he has sent down and since it is God that knows the known and unknown, the seen and the unseen what God shows me you may not yet see nor what God teaches you may yet know.The core principles is the thread that binds this progression together.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,21:10) Hi BD,
So you say.An idea born of hope and not obedience?
Nick I thought you were against obedience and even claimed it was for the Jews only.
It has to do with the unseen and the future, Rom 8:24, 25. “Hope” describes:
(a) the happy anticipation of good (the most frequent significance), e.g., Tts 1:2; 1Pe 1:21;
(b) the ground upon which “hope” is based, Act 16:19; Col 1:27, “Christ in you the hope of glory;”
 the object upon which the “hope” is fixed, e.g., 1Ti 1:1.
Various phrases are used with the word “hope,” in Paul's Epistles and speeches:
(1) Act 23:6, “the hope and resurrection of the dead;” this has been regarded as a hendiadys (one by means of two), i.e., the “hope” of the resurrection; but the kai, “and,” is epexegetic, defining the “hope,” namely, the resurrection;
(2) Act 26:6, 7, “the hope of the promise (i.e., the fulfillment of the promise) made unto the fathers;”
(3) Gal 5:5, “the hope of righteousness;” i.e., the believer's complete conformity to God's will, at the coming of Christ;
(4) Col 1:23, “the hope of the Gospel,” i.e., the “hope” of the fulfillment of all the promises presented in the Gospel; cp. Col 1:5;
(5) Rom 5:2, “(the) hope of the glory of God,” i.e., as in Tts 2:13, “the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ;” cp. Col 1:27;
(6) 1Th 5:8, “the hope of salvation,” i.e., of the rapture of believers, to take place at the opening of the Parousia of Christ;
(7) Eph 1:18, “the hope of His (God's) calling,” i.e., the prospect before those who respond to His call in the Gospel;
(8) Eph 4:4, “the hope of your calling,” the same as (7), but regarded from the point of view of the called;
(9) Tts 1:2; 3:7, “the hope of eternal life,” i.e., the full manifestation and realization of that life which is already the believer's possession;
(10) Act 28:20, “the hope of Israel,” i.e., the expectation of the coming of the Messiah. See Notes on Galatians by Hogg and Vine, pp. 248, 249.
In Eph 1:18; 2:12; 4:4, the “hope” is objective. The objective and subjective use of the word need to be distinguished; in Rom 15:4, e.g., the use is subjective.
In the NT three adjectives are descriptive of “hope:” “good,” 2Th 2:16; “blessed,” Tts 2:13; “living,” 1Pe 1:3. To these may be added Hbr 7:19, “a better hope,” i.e., additional to the commandment, which became disannulled (ver. 18), a hope centered in a new priesthood.
In Rom 15:13 God is spoken of as “the God of hope,” i.e., He is the author, not the subject; of it. “Hope” is a factor in salvation, Rom 8:24; it finds its expression in endurance under trial, which is the effect of waiting for the coming of Christ, 1Th 1:3; it is “an anchor of the soul,” staying it amidst the storms of this life, Hbr 6:18, 19; it is a purifying power, “every one that hath this hope set on Him (Christ) purifieth himself, even as He is pure,” 1Jo 3:3, RV (the Apostle John's one mention of “hope”).
The phrase “fullness of hope,” Hbr 6:11, RV, expresses the completeness of its activity in the soul; cp. “fullness of faith,” Hbr 10:22, and “of understanding,” Col 2:2 (RV, marg.).
Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
Con….It also says Faith is the Substance (what makes up) the things HOPED For, (faith) is also the (EVIDENCE) of things not seen. No man has seen GOD at any time we are told , So we must acquire this (EVIDENCE) another way. But we can not have true FAITH without EVIDENCE From GOD, GOD demonstrates his presents by sign and Miracles and answered prayers, revealing his presents to those He calls.
Tell me Says Paul does he who (works) miracles among you do it by works of law or by hearing of FAITH. God gives FAITH, but the sad part is do People retain it or lose it overtime. “For when the son of man comes will He find Faith upon the earth”?
peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (Gene @ Nov. 29 2009,03:26) Con….It also says Faith is the Substance (what makes up) the things HOPED For, (faith) is also the (EVIDENCE) of things not seen. No man has seen GOD at any time we are told , So we must acquire this (EVIDENCE) another way. But we can not have true FAITH without EVIDENCE From GOD, GOD demonstrates his presents by sign and Miracles and answered prayers, revealing his presents to those He calls. Tell me Says Paul does he who (works) miracles among you do it by works of law or by hearing of FAITH. God gives FAITH, but the sad part is do People retain it or lose it overtime. “For when the son of man comes will He find Faith upon the earth”?
peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
Exodus 33:10-12Hi BD,
Of course if you have left Jesus for another lord you would believe in progressive revelation.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,12:11) Hi BD,
Of course if you have left Jesus for another lord you would believe in progressive revelation.
Is God your Lord?
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