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  • #834325
    GeneBalthrop
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    Edj….Jodi is right. If you can’t see Jesus our lord as a fellow human being, that GOD THE FATHER HAS brought forth from human kind, you simply are not seeing the right Jesus. He is and was a actual decendent of king David, born just as we are, a “perfected” human being from the tribe of Judah. Moses plainly explains that, “the LORD shall bring forth a prophet like me, from among you (a FELLOW ISRAELITE), unto him shall you heed”. Mystery religion is clouding your understanding of the truth

    Edj… in a way your kind of like T8, about 50% out of false christianity, but not completely out yet, those false triditions taught by modern christianity are simply not true brother.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #834328
    Ed J
    Participant

    Edj… in a way your kind of like T8, about 50% out of false christianity, but not completely out yet, those false triditions taught by modern christianity are simply not true brother.

    Hi Gene,

    Tell us your view of Nick and his progress?

    #834329
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
    though you are small among the clans[a] of Judah,
    out of you will come for me
    one who will be ruler over Israel,
    whose origins are from of old,
    from ancient times.”

    I don’t see the word ‘plan’. That word is coming from your own understanding.

    #834334
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8….shurely you know God is about “perfecting” humanity, how better to do that then creating another ADAM, perfecting him in the presence of all humanity? Your teaching of The prexisting Jesus, completely shatters that perception. It changes who Jesus actually is, making him d I fferent the the rest of humanity. Not only that it denies the work of GOD IN MANKIND.

    YOU preach a different Jesus then what scriptures shows. There is no point of any proof to mankind OF THE PERFECTING WORK OF GOD, in your perceptions of Jesus. Think about it T8, even if a already perfect person came from heaven and descised himself as a human being and lived a perfect life, how would that be any kind of an example to the rest of humanity.

    Jesus had to be “exactly” in every way, as we are from his berth to his resurection, for him to truly qualify as our example of human perfection. Commonsense should tell you that brother. Your teaching pushes Jesus awayfrom our exact idenity with him much like the trinitarians do. They cannot relate in idenity with a GOD, WHICH IS THE JESUS THEY HAVE CREATED AND WORSHIP.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #834337
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    When you add words to scripture, you can completely change its meaning.

    For example, if I said that God has a plan that includes repentance so that we will not perish, you could argue that you don’t need to repent right now because it is in the planning stages.

    #834339
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8….not if they conform to what scriptures say. Jesus is the second ADAM. BUT YOU SEEM TO NOT BELIEVE THAT, to you he is a something else, but not a second ADAM,RIGHT?

    Peace and love to you and yours. ….gene.

    #834347
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Jodi and Gene,

    Why did Christ say this? …

    “And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David’s son?
    And David himself saith in the book of Psalms,
    The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
    Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

    David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?” (Luke 20:41-44)

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #834349
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Edj…So you believe Jesus was denying he was a decendent of king David? Then why would he say I am the root “AND” he Offspring of David. Paul also said Jesus was from the loins of king David. Jesus didn’t say he wasn’t not a “decendent” of David he said he was not his “SON”. GOD is the FATHER of all his anointed (christo’s) ones. “Call you no man your father, for you have but one Father, even GOD.

    In that sense we are all brothers even our earthely Fathers are our brothers in GOD, who Fathers us in the anointing. We are all brothers in the anointing even with Jesus.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #834351
    Ed J
    Participant

    Gene?

    #834352
    Truthcomber
    Participant

    Hi Ed and T8

    I believe you are correct. Christ existed from eternity.

    https://www.billkochman.com/Articles/jfilled1.html

    Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

    https://biblehub.com/greek/2424.htm
    3. Jesus, the Son of God, the Saviour of mankind: Matthew 1:21, 25; Luke 1:31; Luke 2:21, and very often; see κύριος and Χριστός.

    Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

    John 1:14 And the Word (3056) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life (John 1:4,9).

    3056: logos (from 3004 /légō, “speaking to a conclusion”) – a word, being the expression of a thought; a saying. 3056 /lógos (“word”) is preeminently used of Christ (Jn 1:1), expressing the thoughts of the Father through the Spirit.
    [3056 (lógos) is a common term (used 330 times in the NT) with regards to a person sharing a message (discourse, “communication-speech”). 3056 (lógos) is a broad term meaning “reasoning expressed by words.”]

    Me: Words from God are of the holy spirit. No one has ever heard the father speak. He speaks through his word, which is Christ.

    Click on the link below: Then click on 1096 above “became”.

    Definition of “was made”:
    5c. γίνεσθαι ὡς or ὡσεί τινα to become as or like to one: Matthew 10:25; Matthew 18:3; Matthew 28:4; Mark 9:26; Luke 22:44 (L brackets WH reject the passage); Romans 9:29 (from Isaiah 1:9); 1 Corinthians 4:13; Galatians 4:12
    5f having become of one mind, or possibly having come together with one accord.

    NASB Translation
    accomplished (1), appeared (3), arise (1), arises (2), arose (6), arrived (3), became (53), become (83), becomes (8), becoming (2), been (12), been brought (1), been done (1), been made (2), been…came (1), began (1), behaved (1), being (2), come into being (1), being carried (1), being done (2), being made (2), born (5), breaking* (1), came (45), came into being (2), came to pass (2), come (16), comes (1), comes to pass (1), coming (1), dawn (1), decided* (1), developing (1), done (20), drawing (1), during (1), elapsed (1), existed* (1), falling (1), feeling (1), fell (6), finished (1), followed (1), formed (3), found (2), get (4), give (1), got (1), granted (1), grown* (1), had (1), happen (6), happened (46), happening (5), happens (3), has (3), join* (1), joined (3), made (15), occur (3), occurred (18), performed (4), prove (7), proved (6), proving (1), put (1), reached (2), realized (1), results (2), show (1), spent (1), split (1), spoken (1), starting (1), take place (16), taken (2), taken place (5), takes place (1), taking place (3), there arose (1), thundered* (1), took place (7), turned (1), turns (3), would (1)

    https://biblehub.com/strongs.htm

    Me: Thus the spirit of God became one with the flesh (mind and body) with the seed of David. Thus the image of the mind of God grew to maturity with its bonding to the fleshly mind of the son of David.

    Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

    New American Standard Bible
    Psalm 8:5 Yet You have made him a little lower than God, And You crown him with glory and majesty!

    Would you please explain Psalm 8:5 and Hebrews 2:7? Did God create man a little lower than the angels or God?


    From the author: “Than the angels – So this is rendered by the Aramaic Paraphrase: by the Septuagint; by the Latin Vulgate; by the Syriac and Arabic; and by the author of the Epistle to the Hebrews Heb 2:7, who has literally quoted the fourth, fifth, and sixth verses from the Septuagint. The Hebrew, however, is… ‘than God

    Me: Christ is the direct expression of God or copy of the mind and character of God from eternity. He was not God Almighty but the spiritual mage of God Almighty. He was begotten with the spirit at birth and grew into that image. No one was born of God again from John the Baptist until Christ was resurrected from the dead.

    John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen (perceived)  him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:

    Conclusion: Christ is the direct expression of God in the spirit and in the flesh. Christ had the spirit of God in him from conception and only the spirit of God. For there is only one spirit (Eph 4:4) in the beginning and end. There is one matured mind of Christ in the end which is of the beginning.

    #834353
    Truthcomber
    Participant

    Hi All,

    Romans 8:15 (NLT) So you have not received a spirit that makes you fearful slaves. Instead, you received God’s Spirit when he adopted you as his own children. Now we call him, “Abba,
    Father.”…

    Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

    Me: Not “will put on Christ” but “have put on Christ. “

    Phil 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    Me: This is when we receive our new bodies along with Christ. We shall see Christ as he is with his new spiritual body.

    Romans 8:23 (NLT) And we believers also groan, even though we have the Holy Spirit within us as a foretaste of future glory, for we long for our bodies to be released from sin and suffering. We, too, wait with eager hope for the day when God will give us our full rights as his adopted children, including the new bodies he has promised us

    Me: We fully become the children of God when we receive new bodies at Christ’s second coming.

    Crown of Glory are our new spiritual bodies when we receive ruler ship with the Messiah. The kingdoms of this world are converted to the kingdoms of God when Christ returns the second time.  That is when Christ and ourselves receive our crowns, at the rulership over this world.

    Acts 7:45 & Hebrews 4:8
    Jesus, Joshua: What’s The Difference Anyway?
    http://www.kjv-only.com/acts7_45.html

    Notice “crown”. In Psalm 8:5 It is the glorious body of Christ.

    John 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

    Click on the link below. Then click on 4413 to the right of “before”.
    https://biblehub.com/lexicon/john/1-15.htm
    2. first in rank, influence, honor; chief; principal: without the article, and absolutely, πρῶτος chief.

    Me: So Christ is of the chief rank above, he is above John in rank

    Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

    Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

    Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, 12 “Neither is there Salvation in any other: for there is none other Name under Heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”

    New American Standard 1977

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. Son implies the holy spirit. You cannot be God’s son without the holy spirit.

    Me: We are begotten or born of God. The prophets and saints of old were born of God. Christ was born of the spirit from his conception .

    So, the Messiah had to be born of the flesh of the seed of David from his birth, begotten supernaturally by God. The Messiah is the direct expression or image of God. So, the Messiah was born of the spirit of God from birth. The Messiah was greater than John from birth. John worshiped Christ in the womb of his mother, when he danced at the mention of Yasha’s name.

    Summary: God existed from eternity. His image of his own mind (his son) also existed with him from eternity.

     

    Mich 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

    Me: Christ came forth from everlasting. He was in the bosom or heart of God from eternity.

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    Me: God expressed himself through an exact image of himself in the man Christ. This is the mind of the spirit. This image did not occur instantaneously when he had revealed it, but as a seed that grew in the Messiah.

    New American Standard Bible
    Heb 1:3 … the exact representation of His nature…

    John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

    John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

    Me: The spiritual image of God was in the Messiah. It is the Word of God—God expressed. The image of God is God, but not almighty God. Christ existed from eternity as the spiritual image of God. God was in Christ through his spiritual image, i.e. of the image of God’s mind through the holy spirit.

    John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

    Me: Notice, the mind and spirit of Christ is alive without his body.  The body with it’s human mind of the seed of David was raised by Christ, who is the image of his Father.  The spirit of God was in the heart and mind of Christ.

    Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory…

    John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    Me: God declared his son not just at conception, but throughout eternity.

    John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

    Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 22 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

    The baptism of John did not save—it was the baptism of repentance. Only Christ’s death could save us. John said that Christ should baptize him, not him Christ.

    Christ grew in the holy spirit before Jordan.

    John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men…

    Me: This was the holy spirit in Christ, for the spirit is life.

    John: said Christ was is preferred over him.

    John 1:8 He (John) was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

     

    Me: To say John had the holy spirit from birth and Christ had it from Jordan is complete folly. It is so sad and shows a complete lack of understanding that it is not even funny.

    #834354
    Truthcomber
    Participant

    John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

    Me: Notice, the spiritual mind and spirit of God in Christ  is alive without his body. The body with it’s human mind of the seed of David was raised by Christ, who is the image of his Father. The spirit of God was in the heart and mind of Christ.

    #834356
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    TC…..The spirit of God is in the mind of all who have his spirit “in” them , God’s became flesh when his spirit entered into JESUS AT HIS BAPTIZM AT THE JORDAN RIVER. AND IT WAS NOT Jesus who said destory this temple and in three days I shall raise it up, that was God the Father speakibg first person through Jesus’ mouth. Because Jesus didn not raise himself up , God the Father did.

    TC….Jesus did not preexist his berth on this earth, that is the biggest “lie” ever told in “christanity” , Satan wants us all to believe that “LIE” , 2THS2. HIS goal is to move Jesus away from his human roots, so we can not honestly relate with him. This lie has infected christanity from even the time of the apostles John and Paul. TURNING JESUS INTO ANYTHING OTHER THEN A ORDINARY HUMAN BEING IS EXACTLY WHAT SATAN WANTS. This is who you can easely tell those who are of the truth from those who have not the truth.

    Jesus plainly said the the deception would be about who he was, “for many shall come in my name saying i am, and decieve many. Yes saying Jesus is anything but an “anointed”, ‘son of man’ is a deception.

    Remember what JESUS said, “Wide is the way that leads to destruction and many go in threat there of, narrow is the gate and straight is the way that leasd to life, and “FEW” there be that find it”.

    Jesus is another ADAM, HE IS THE EXACT PROTYPE OF WHAT GOD HAS IN MIND FOR US ALL, HE IS A MAN A HUMAN BEING, WHO GOD PERFECTED AS GOD CAN DO WITH ALL OF US HUMANS ALSO. TO SEE HIM ANY OTHER WAY IS MOVING HIS IDENITY AWAY FROM YOURSELF AND IS EXACTLY WHAT SATAN AND HIS WORKERS WANTS.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ….gene

    #834357
    Truthcomber
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    You: TC…..The spirit of God is in the mind of all who have his spirit “in” them , God’s became flesh when his spirit entered into JESUS AT HIS BAPTIZM AT THE JORDAN RIVER. AND IT WAS NOT Jesus who said destroy this temple and in three days I shall raise it up, that was God the Father speaking first person through Jesus’ mouth. Because Jesus didn’t not raise himself up, God the Father did.

    Me: no Gene, Jesus raised himself up. When you say “God the Father”, you are confessing the trinity which is not true. I know you do not believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, so why say it.   So just say “heavenly father”, “Almighty God” or something to that affect. God Almighty did speak through Christ as if he was speaking in the first person. He never did do that.

    John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.

    John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

    Me: Christ, the son of God, raised up Christ, the son of man from the dead as his father had commanded him to do.

    Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

    John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth:

    Me: God raised up the son of man by commanded and showing the son of God to do so.

    You: TC….Jesus did not preexist his berth on this earth, that is the biggest “lie” ever told in “christanity” , Satan wants us all to believe that “LIE” , 2THS2. HIS goal is to move Jesus away from his human roots, so we can not honestly relate with him. This lie has infected christanity from even the time of the apostles John and Paul. TURNING JESUS INTO ANYTHING OTHER THEN A ORDINARY HUMAN BEING IS EXACTLY WHAT SATAN WANTS. This is who you can easely tell those who are of the truth from those who have not the truth.

    Me: You, Jodi, and Anthony turned Christ from being lesser than John the Baptist by having John the Baptist having the spirit of God in him from birth and Christ having the spirit of God in him from Jordan. This is Christ who was the light that came into the world. This was the same Christ that John the Baptist said he was not worthy to tie Christ’s shoelaces. This was the same Christ that astonished many as a young child with much wisdom of God. All three of you denigrate the son of God.

    Luke 2:42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast…46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business? 50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

    Me: Christ very much had the spirit of God in him before Jordan.

    You can google Jordan and find many believe in your false doctrine about Christ. I am not saying you are not God’s son, for you would not earnestly seek him and the truth. But it is you that are deceived on this point, very much so.

    Did Christ preexist?  I show you he did with the scriptures to back it up.  Christ pre-existed as the spiritual image or mind of God.

    #834360
    Anthony
    Participant

    Hi All

    I talk to some in here (the site ) and I can see that some are stuck on that The only begotten Son is just a man a prophet . And I took the Time to look in to these things. Therefore the don’t believe that, the only begotten Son pre-existed before anything was created so they can’t believe that anything was created through the  only begotten Son. They seem to have to take away a lot scriptures. To come up with that the only begotten Son is just a man. And as we know some people don’t believe in the Trinity, me too and that the Roman Catholic Church came up with false doctorine and a eternal tormenting hell. I’m going to past a teaching that won’t have contradiction on who is Father God  and His Only begotten Son. God is a Family not a Trinity or just  a man ect.ect. I’ll post this in the morning.

    #834361
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    TC…YOU TEACH Jesus himself is the CHRISTO’, as many others do also, that is far from the truth as you can get, Jesus recieved the christo’s, into him, scripture plainly says it was GOD THE FATHER WHO RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD, JESUS EVEN SAID he was “dead” , but you believe he was not truly dead, making JESUS INTO A LIAR. because if he was DEAD then how could he do anything his self. Can the dead raise the dead. You make Jesus and the christo’s the same thing they are not the same, the christo’s is the anointing spirit of GOD THE FATHER, THAT HE RECIEVED INTO HIS, even as we also recieve that same christo’s into us, that is the father in us the same as with Jesus. Or haven’t you read, “your body is the “temple” of the of THE LIVING GOD”.
    SCRIPTURE SAYS, “Now if the spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he shall “also” quicken your mortal “body”. It was that same spirit that raised Jesus also if you believe that quoted scripture.

    Again you move Jesus away from the rest of human brothers and sisters, you make him different from those he called his brothers and sisters. IF YOU DON’T KNOW who Jesus really is, HOW WILL YOU EVER RELATE WITH HIN. Jesus said in that day, “many shall come unto him and say lord in your name we have done this and that, and he will say unto them, depart from me you workers of iniquity, i know you not.

    TC, I stand right where Jesus wants me, not below him, nor above him, but right beside him. We are both of the human race he has already been perfected i am being perfected, and my hope is to be beside him in the resurection, worshiping the same GOD, AND FATHER.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #834365
    Anthony
    Participant

    Hi All

    Goggle: God’s Plane for All

    We, David and Zoë, are a husband and wife team, who are committed believers in the only true Father God, Yahweh Elohim, and His only begotten Son, Yeshua Elohim, Jesus Christ.

    We believe that God brought us together, as part of His purpose, to write God’s Plan for All. David is the main author and Zoë is a contributor and co-author. Both of us are university graduates with engineering and science degrees, however, we have not attended any Bible College. We see this as a distinct advantage because we have not been influenced to accept any unbiblical teachings such as Calvinism, Arminianism, the Trinity, Hell, Annihilation, the Immortality of the Soul and the Prosperity Gospel. These are all man-invented, unbiblical, theologies that contradict the pure Word of God.

    The whole of our book, God’s Plan for All, has been written with the firm belief and understanding that the Bible, as first inspired in the original Bible languages of Hebrew and Greek, is the infallible Word of God and it does not and cannot contradict itself. This has been our guiding principle. Therefore, we can be sure that all contradictions found in any version of the Bible are due to man’s mistranslation or misinterpretation of original scriptures. This is what we have proved again and again. So, we reject any of man’s so-called hermeneutics or exegesis interpretations of the Bible if they contradict any clear truth of the Bible. Ultimately, we depend on our Father God, who dwells in all true believers through the presence and power of His Spirit, to guide us into all truth.

    #834366
    Anthony
    Participant

    Hi All    continue from last post, God plan for All.

    God is a Family, not a Trinity. God is the Family of God the Father and God the Son. The most important and central truth of the Bible is that there is only one true God, who is Father God (John 17:3), andthere is only one true Son of God, who was begotten(birthed, not created) by His Father God before the world was created (John 17:5, 1 John 4:9). So, the true Christianity of the Bible is totally and absolutely founded upon believing in the one true Father God AND in the one true only begotten Son of God.

    1 John 2:23
    Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

    The Holy Spirit is not a Third Person of a so-called Trinity. In Chapter 26, ‘How and Why the Trinity is False and Unbiblical’, we explain the biblical truth of the Holy Spirit in detail. However, this chapter is devoted to understanding the scriptural truth of the God Family, God the Father and God the Son.

     

    THE TRUTH OF GOD THE FATHER

    There is only one true God who is Father God as confirmed by the Son of God, Jesus Christ, Himself.

    John 17:3
    And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

    Yes indeed, there is only one true God who is Father God because He alone is truly eternal with no beginningand no end, and He alone is the source of absolutely all things, all living and non-living things. Father God is Spirit and He is the Almighty Most High God (Revelation 21:22, Psalm 78:56, Hebrews 7:1). There is no other God like Him (Isaiah 43:10, 44:6). Father God is Holy, Righteous, Love, Just, Gracious, Merciful and Forgiving. He is Omnipotent (all-powerful), Omnipresent (all-present) and Omniscient (all-knowing) through the presence and power of His Spirit, which emanates from His Person and sustains all of His creation.

    It is important to understand that Father God is not a formless, ethereal, impersonal spirit, but He is an actual Spirit Personseated on His throne in heaven. Father God has created us in His own image; we are persons and Father God is also a Person. From Genesis to Revelation, the Bible encourages us to have a personal relationship with our heavenly Father God, which is similar in ways to a child having a personal relationship with a loving earthly father.

    The Personal Name of Father God

    Just like all of us, Father God has His own personal name and so does the Son of God. The Bible challenges us to find out the names of Father God and His Son.

    Proverbs 30:4
    Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son’s name, if you know?

    We all know that the personal name of the Son of God is Jesus in English, which is Yeshua in Hebrew, but do we all know what the personal name of Father God is?

    The personal name of Father God in Hebrew is the four-letter word YHWH, also spelt as YHVH, and referred to by the term Tetragrammaton because it does not contain any vowels. Therefore, nobody knows its exact pronunciation. However, there are three recognised pronunciations and spellings, which are YahwehYahvehand Jehovah. We do not believe that any one of these is more correct than the other two, however, our preferred pronunciation and spelling is Yahweh, and that is the one we have chosen to use in this book.

    Nowhere does the Bible tell us, as orthodox Jews believe, to avoid calling upon the name of Father God just because nobody knows the exact pronunciation of YHWH or its other spelling YHVH. On the contrary, the Bible often encourages us to use the personal name of Father God.

    The personal name of Father God, Yahweh, occurs over 6200 times in Hebrew Old Testament Scripture, yet very few people know that Father God has a personal name. This is because, without any justification, the personal name of Father God has been mistranslated to represent a title ‘the LORD’ in most popular English Bibles like the KJV, NKJV, NIV, NASB and RSV.

    The Bible specifically says many times, over and over again, that Father God’s personal name is Yahweh. 

    Isaiah 42:8
    I am the LORD (Yahweh), this is My name; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images.

    King David, a man after God’s own heart, knew the tremendous importance of knowing the personal name of Father God. In Psalms, King David urges us to love God’s name (Psalm 5:11), to sing praises unto His name (Psalm 7:17), to know His name (Psalm 9:10), to declare His name (Psalm 22:22), to exalt His name (Psalm 34:3) and to bless His name (Psalm 96:2).

    Yahweh (YHWH) translated as ‘the LORD’ in most English Bibles is the one and only Personal name of Father God given in the Bible. The other name given for Father God in the Hebrew Scriptures is Adonay, which occurs about 400 times. Confusingly, it has also been translated as ‘the Lord’ in most English versions of the Bible, but written in lower case. Adonay is not Father God’s Personal name, however, it is one of His titles, meaning ‘Master’ or ‘Sovereign Ruler’. Since Father God’s proper Personal name YHWH cannot be accurately pronounced, it has been replaced (we believe very unwisely) by the name ‘Adonay’ in Jewish Bibles.

    The Family Name of Father God

    We have already seen that Father God’s Personal name is Yahweh, but what about His family name? It is very important to understand that the name God is not the personal name of Father God, but it is His family name. The name God is the translation of the Hebrew word Elohim and the Greek word Theos, and together they occur approximately 4400 times in the Bible. Most of these times, God refers to Father God, Yahweh God, who is the only true God. However, on a few occasions, the Bible also refers to the Son of God, Jesus Christ, as God. This is because the name God is the God family name representing either or both members of the one God (Elohim) family of Father and Son.

    Let us prove the truth that God is a family name by looking at the very first verse of the Bible.

    Genesis 1:1
    In the beginning God (Elohim in Hebrew), created the heavens and the earth.

    Now, let us ask you a question. Who created the heavens and the earth? Which of the following five answers is correct

    1. God
    2. God the Father
    3. God the Son
    4. God the Father through His Son
    5. The one God Family of Father and Son

    The Bible confirms in John 1:3 and Colossians 1:16 that Father God created all things through His Son, Jesus Christ. Therefore, all of these five answers are correct proving the truth that the name God, Elohim, is a family name representing either or both members of the one God family of Father and Son.

    Ephesians 3:14-15
    14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.

    This scripture confirms that the whole family in heaven and earth will bear the Family name of Father God, which is the name Elohim.  It is an extremely exciting truth of the Bible, to know and believe that Father God, through His only begottenSon, is in the process of increasing His Family to ultimately include all men and angels, without a single exception, as His createdsons of God.

    Hebrew 2:10-12 (NIV)
    10 In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through what he suffered. 11Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the samefamily. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters. 12 He says, “I will declare your name to my brothers and sisters; in the assembly I will sing your praises.”

    Yes, it is Father God’s purpose that through His Son’s sacrifice on the cross, He will bring many sons to glory by bringing them into His Family. Other scriptures confirm that many sons literally mean the whole of humanity, without a single exception.

    In fact, it is the destiny of each and every human being and each and every angel, to enter the Eternal Kingdom of God of the New Heaven and the New Earth, as created sons of God, and be part of the one huge Family of God; the Elohim Family of the one true Father God, Yahweh Elohim, and His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, Yeshua Elohim. This is indeed God’s Plan for All, the glorious Grand Family Plan of our heavenly Father God.

    This is why the Bible refers to both angels and men, not only as sons of God but also, as gods (elohims), (Genesis 6:2, Psalm 82:1, Psalm 82:6, John 10:34). Of course, in this present fallen evil world, there are many false gods, who are strange foreign gods and pagan gods, also referred to as elohims in the Bible (Genesis 35:2, Exodus 12:12), but this will all change once the only true Elohim, Father God, has reconciled to Himself absolutely all things on earth and in heaven having made peace through the shed blood of His Son on the cross (Colossians 1:15-20).

     

    THE TRUTH OF GOD THE SON

    Approximately two thousand years ago, a Man called Jesus Christ was crucified in Jerusalem by the Roman authorities, under the insistence of religious Jews, because He claimed to be the Son of God. Who truly was this Man called Jesus Christ?

    Was He a created Man, as believed by Judaism, Islam and groups of people who call themselves ‘Biblical Unitarians’? Absolutely not!

    Was He a created Angel, as believed by groups like Jehovah Witnesses? Absolutely not!

    Was He a co-equalTrinitarian God as believed by Traditional or Orthodox Christianity? Absolutely not!

    Then, who was He? He was none other than the only begotten Son of His Father God. True Christianity is absolutely founded upon believing in who the true Christ of the Bible is. So, let us now clearly understand that there is no other Christ of the Bible than the Christ who is the only Begotten Sonof His Father God.

    God’s Only Begotten Son

    1 John 4:9
    In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son (monogenēs huios) into the world, that we might live through Him.

    Yes indeed, Jesus Christ is the one and only begotten Sonof His Father God. It would have been impossible for God the Father to send His only begotten Son into the world if He did not have a Son to send in the first place. So, this scripture like many others clearly confirms that Jesus Christ pre-existed as the only begotten Son of His Father God before He existed as the Son of Man through His virgin birth.

    The truth of the Bible that Jesus Christ is God’s Only Begotten Son is repeated four more times by Apostle John, in John 1:14, 1:18, 3:16, and 3:18. The Greek term for ‘the only begotten son’ is monogenēs huios, which literally means, ‘the one and only birthed or born Son’, as confirmed by Greek Lexicons. Let us now examine this God-inspired Greek term, and fully understand that there is no other Jesus Christ of the Bible than the Jesus Christ who is the only begotten Son of God.

    There is one and only one correct biblical way of understanding what the term ‘God’s only begotten Son’ means, and this is to take the Word of God at its face value. It means that Jesus is literally the one and only Spirit Son of His Spirit Father God in a similar way that Isaac was literally the one and only promised human son of his human father Abraham. The Person of Spirit God the Father Himself, BIRTHED His one and only Spirit Son, God the Son, and this magnificent event happened in the beginning, which was before Father God created all things through His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. This is the true biblical meaning of the term ‘God’s only Begotten Son’, which is supported by the Word of God throughout the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation. Any other meaning of this term brings contradiction and confusion into the Word of God.

    How could God the Father have begotten God the Son? Abraham needed Sarah to beget his only begotten son, Isaac. But, Father God is Spirit and He did not need a wife to beget His only begotten Son, Jesus (Yeshua). The truth of the Bible that Father God Himself actually birthed His Son presents a massive stumbling block for most people to accept the Word of God at its face value. We shall soon explain this life-changing and God-exalting truth in greater detail.

    The sad and shocking fact is that the whole world of Christianity, as we know it today, denies that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of His Father God and it denies that He is the Saviour of the world. All Christian denominations say that they believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Saviour of the world, but in reality, what they say and mean and what the Bible clearly says and means are two absolutely different things.

    Father God loved the world so much that He sent His very own Son into the world, His one and only begotten (birthed) Son, born from the body of Father God Himself, before the world was created. This is the Christ, the unique Spirit Son of His Spirit Father God, who approximately two thousand years ago, humbly allowed His Father to transform His glorified immortal Spirit body into a mortal fleshly body, in the womb of the virgin Mary. This was in order to be born as the unique Man and then to die by shedding His blood on the cross, for the forgiveness of the sins of the whole world; for the universal salvation of this whole world of fallen sinful men andfallen sinful angels, without a single exception, as clearly stated in Scripture. This is indeed the GOOD NEWS, the true and glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is yet to be believed by the so-called world of Christianity, and it will be believed by all men past, present and future, in God’s time and order, which extends beyond this mortal life.

    Let us now look at the other four scriptures where Apostle John confirms that Jesus Christ is indeed His Father God’s only Begotten Son.

    John 1:14
    And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as ofthe only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

    John 1:18 (NASB)
    No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten Godwho is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

    This is how the New American Standard Bible (NASB) correctly translates this verse in accordance with the oldest known Greek Manuscripts, P66 and P75. Most Bible versions reject the original inspired meaning and mistranslate it to say, ‘the only begotten Son’ instead of ‘the only begotten God’.

    Jesus Christ is both, the only begotten Son of God and the only begotten God. God the Father begot God the Son who is of the same nature and kind as His Father. This is because Jesus Christ originated from the Person of Almighty Father God Himself (John 8:42). Spirit God the Father, Yahweh Elohim,birthed Spirit God the Son, Yeshua Elohim, before the world existed, before anything was created, which was before the creation of the heavens and the earth.

    John 3:16 (NKJV)
    For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

    John 3:16 is the most quoted verse in the whole of the Bible, but most Christians do not understand or realise that the doctrine of the Trinity totally contradicts this truth that Jesus Christ is indeed the only begotten Son of His Father God.

    John 3:18
    He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    Some modern English translations of the New Testament, like the NIV and RSV which support the doctrine of the Trinity, have downgraded the importance of the Greek word monogenēs. They mistranslate monogenēs to mean ‘the only Son’ instead of ‘the only begotten Son’. In fact, to call Jesus Christ ‘the only Son of God’ brings contradiction into the Word of God because the Bible refers to many sons of God. Both angels and men are also called sons of God in the Bible. The crucial difference is that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, whilst angels and men are all created sons of God.

    Let us now understand the huge significance of why monogenēs is also used in the Bible to refer to Isaac as the only begotten son of Abraham.

    Hebrews 11:17-18
    17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten (monogenēs) son, 18of whom it was said, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.”

    The Bible in Matthew 1:2 says, ‘Abraham begot Isaac’. Of course, we know that it was actually Sarah who birthed Isaac. However, Scripture says that it was Abraham who begot Isaac because firstly, the seed of Isaac had to have been present in Abraham’s body before the birth of Isaac was possible. In the genealogy of Christ and elsewhere, the Bible speaks in terms of men rather than women begetting children.

    We know that Abraham had other sons besides Isaac. So, why is Isaac referred to as the only begotten son of Abraham? It is because Isaac was the one and only son that God had promised to Abraham through his wife Sarah. The Bible says that Isaac was born ‘according to the Spirit’, unlike Ishmael who was born ‘according to the flesh’ (Galatians 4:29). Therefore, in Abraham and Isaac, we are given a picture of Father God and Jesus Christ.

    Abraham begot his only promised son Isaac, whom He was willing to sacrifice at God’s command. Father God begot His only Son Jesus, whom He sent into the world to be sacrificed on the cross for the salvation of the whole world.

    Just as Isaac was the only begotten son of his father Abraham, Jesus is the only begotten Son of His Father God. Just as the human seed of Isaac was in his father Abraham’s body, before Isaac could be born; the divine immortal Spirit Seed of Jesus was in His Father God’s Body before Jesus could be born. Just as Isaac had a beginning when he was born of his human father, Jesus Christ had a beginning when He was born of His Spirit Father God. Just as Isaac was subordinate to his father Abraham, Jesus is subordinate to His Father God. Of course, the glorious difference between these two births is that Isaac was born a mortal fleshly human son, whilst Jesus was born an immortal Divine Spirit Son.

    Don’t confuse begetting with creating. Father God did not create His Son; Father God begot His Son, meaning He gave birth to Him. The Son was begotten, but everything else in the universe was created by Father God through the Son.

    So, when did Father God beget His Son? The clear scriptural answer is ‘before the world existed’. Near the completion of Jesus Christ’s earthly ministry, before His death on the cross, He longed to have the glory back that He had with His Father before the world existed.

    John 17:5 (ESV)
    And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with youbefore the world existed.

    This scripture confirms the truth that Jesus Christ existed as His Father’s Son before the world existed. There was the most magnificent event in the past, before the world existed, before the creation of the heavens and the earth, when Father God, Yahweh Elohim begot (birthed) His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, Yeshua Elohim.

    King David was inspired to write in Psalm 2:7, “You are my Son, Today I have begotten You”. This scripture is repeated three more times in the Bible, in Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5 and 5:5, emphasising its great importance. So, let us now understand why the Bible says that it was, “Today” when Father God begot His Son.

    Time began when the heavens and the earth were created but Father God is Spirit and He lives outside of time constraints, and He is not restricted by time. Father God is the great eternal I AM with no beginning and no end, and He lives in the eternal present, the eternal now, the eternal “Today”. So, the scripture, “You are my Son, Today I have begotten You”, must be understood from God’s eternal perspective and not from our human earthly perspective.

    So yes indeed, Father God begot His Son, “Today” in eternity before time began, before the world existed, before the creation of the heavens and the earth in the beginning. In fact, the birth of the Son of God was the beginning of all beginnings.

    John 1:1
    In the beginning was the Word(God the Son), and the Word was with God (God the Father)and the Word was God (God the Son).

    This scripture is greatly misinterpreted to support the false doctrine of the Trinity, but the fact is that it actually disproves the Trinity. When correctly understood John 1:1 supports the truth that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God and the only begotten God.

    In the beginning was the Word; please understand that the Bible would never ever say that in the beginning was Father God. Why not? Because Father God has no beginning. However, God the Son Jesus had a beginning, therefore, John 1:1 above says, “In the beginning was the Word.” This confirms the truth of the Bible that the Son had a beginning when Father God begot (birthed) Him in the beginning. The birth of the Son of God was the beginning of all beginnings, the most magnificent birth, which was the very first glorious event that happened before anything was created.

    and the Word was with God; the Word, referring to God the Son Jesus Christ, was with His Father God from the beginning when He was begotten by His Father God. This beginning was beforethe beginning of the creation of the heavens and the earth, as mentioned in Genesis 1:1.

    and the Word was God; of course, Jesus is God because He is God the Son, and He belongs to the one Holy God Elohim Family of Father and Son. However, God the Son Jesus (Yeshua) is not a co-equal God to His Father (Yahweh). They are two separate Persons of Father and Son, and the Father is always greater than the Son, as clearly stated many times in Scripture. Jesus Christ is similar to His Father God in several respects. Just like His Father, Jesus Christ is Spirit, uncreated, immortal, holy and righteous, yet He is a separate God, God the Son, who is always subordinate to His Father God and a willing Servant to Him (Mark 16:19, Colossians 1:16, 1 Corinthians 11:3, John 14:28).

    The truth of the Bible that Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, was born of His Father before the world existed is also clearly stated in the book of Proverbs.

    Proverbs 8:24-30 (NIV)
    24 When there were no oceans,I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; 25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth. 26 before he made the world or its fields or any of the dust of the earth. 27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, 28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, 29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. 30 Then I was constantly at his (Father’s)side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence.

    Although these verses speak about ‘the Wisdom of God’, they are actually referring to Jesus Christ. Apostle Paul says that Christ is the wisdom of God in 1 Corinthians 1:24. Proverbs 8:24-30 above is a clear scripture proving the truth of the Bible that Jesus Christ was birthed by His Father God before the world existed, before Father God created all things through His Son Jesus.

    1 John 5:1
    Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God(Father God), and everyone who loves Him (Father God)who begot also loves him(Jesus Christ) who is begottenof Him (Father God).

    Once again, the Bible emphasises the same truth that Father God begot His Son and the Son was begotten of His Father. Scripture abundantly confirms that the Spirit birth of Jesus Christ preceded His Human virgin birth, and that it was God the Son, the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ, who was actively present throughout the Old Testament.

    The first chapter of Hebrews is an amazingly clear chapter about the unique relationship between Father God and His Son, between Yahweh Elohimand Yeshua Elohim, in the God Family of Father and Son.

    Hebrews 1:2 says, “through whom also He made the worlds”, which confirms the truth that Father God created absolutely all things through His Son. This also confirms the truth that the Son is obedient and subordinate to His Father God.

    Hebrews 1:3-4 says, who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.”

    This scripture confirms the truth that the Son, who is the brightness of His Father’s glory and the express image of His Person, is indeed of the same nature and kind as His Father. This has to be so because the Son was born of His Father having originated from the very Person of His Father. Also, this scripture confirms the truth that Jesus Christ died to forgive our sins, meaning the sins of the whole world. Jesus now sits at His Father’s right hand which means that He is subordinate to His Father, and He cannot be compared to any angel because the Son, unlike the angels, is uncreated and much higher than the angels.

    Hebrews 1:5 says, For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again: “I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”?

    This scripture confirms the truth that Father God begot His Son “Today” which, as we have explained previously, means that Father God begot (birthed) His Son before time began, before the creation of the heavens and the earth. This scripture also confirms the truth that the Father and Son are a Family, not a Trinity.

    Hebrews 1:6 says, “And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

    Jesus Christ is indeed His Father’s Firstborn, His only begotten (birthed) Son, born of His Father before all creation, which agrees with Colossians 1:15 (the firstborn over all creation). The Spirit birth of Jesus Christ before all creation is a separate and distinct birth from His fleshly Human Virgin birth, which was approximately 2000 years ago, when the angels worshipped Him as given in the verse above, thus proving the fact that God the Son can be worshipped as well as God the Father.

    Hebrews 1:says, “But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

    Notice that Father God Himself (Yahweh Elohim) calls His Son, ‘O God’, which absolutely and categorically proves that the Son is also God (Elohim), but God the Son (Yeshua Elohim). As previously discussed, there are two Gods in the one God Family of Father and Son, but the Son has always remained subordinate to His Father.

    Father God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son into the world to die on the cross for the sins of the whole world. This was approximately two thousand years ago. The only begotten Spirit Son of God, willingly and temporarily gave up His immortality to become mortal, to become flesh, to come as the Son of Man in the womb of the Virgin Mary. Was Jesus Christ’s Humanity in any way tainted by the fallen sinful Adamic nature inherited by all human beings? Absolutely not! Let us now fully understand the true and unique Humanity of Jesus Christ.

    Understanding the true and unique Humanity of Jesus Christ, the last Adam

     The Bible refers to Jesus Christ as the last Adam and the second Man.

    1 Corinthians 15: 45-47 
    45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being. “The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven.

    It is very important to understand that there were extremely important and radical differences between the humanity of the last Adam (Jesus Christ) and the humanity of the first Adam. So, let us now clearly understand these differences.

    As the scripture above says, the first Adam was of the earth, made of dust; he was a created physical person made from the dust of the ground and he became alive when God breathed life into him, which was approximately six thousand years ago. In contrast, the last Adam or the second Man was uncreated, and He was the Lord from heaven, the Spirit Son of His Spirit Father God. Jesus Christ was indeed the immortal, uncreated, only begotten, Spirit Son of God who humbled Himself, coming from heaven to earth to become mortal flesh in the womb of the Virgin Mary, which was approximately two thousand years ago.

    The first Adam sinned and, as a consequence of his sin, he died an earthly death. He had a corruptible body which decomposed in the grave after his death and it returned to the dust from whence it came. The last Adam was sinless when He became flesh and He remained sinless, and He had a mortal yet incorruptible body that did not decay in the tomb, which was resurrected after three days and three nights.

    Can you see that the Humanity of the last Adam, Jesus Christ, was unique and radically different from the humanity of the first Adam, and that there was absolutely no physical or biological link between them? Christ was not a descendant of Adam as all of us humans are. Yes, Jesus Christ was sent from heaven into the world by His Father in the likeness of sinful flesh to die for the sins of the whole world, but Christ did not have the sinful Adamic nature and therefore, unlike us, He never sinned.

    Romans 8:3
    For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh.

    Notice that Christ was sentby His Father God in the likeness of sinful flesh but not in the likeness of the sinful nature. Christ did not have the sinful nature that all humans are born with which we have inherited from the first Adam. Christ, who is the image of invisible Father God, had a righteous holy nature, and always has had, and this is why He was able to resist the temptations of the devil and remained sinless. However, in order to be our Saviour, it was necessary for Christ to be clothed with similar, but not the same, flesh as fallen humanity in order to be tempted in every way as we humans are all tempted, yet He was without sin (Hebrews 4:15).

    Since this is true, then why does the genealogy of Jesus Christ, as given in Luke, go the whole way back to the first Adam and the Bible also refers to Jesus Christ as the ‘son of David’? This is a valid question, but before we answer it, we need to first understand how Jesus was conceived in Mary’s womb and how an embryonic life develops in the womb of a mother. This will help us to know that Jesus did not have and could not have had any of Mary’s DNA nor was He related to Mary by blood or descent in any way whatsoever.

    The Bible says that Father God prepared a body for His Son in order for His Son to come into the world.

    Hebrews 10:5
    Therefore, when He came into the world, He said, “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,but a body You have prepared for Me”.

    Father God prepared an embryonic fleshly body for His Son and planted this embryonic life in the womb of the Virgin Mary. Jesus Christ prior to becoming flesh, was the Spirit Son, the only begotten Son of His Spirit Father. The Son of God in Heaven at His Father’s side, fully cooperated with His Father’s wish so that He could be sent into the world. Therefore, the Son was transformed from His glorified immortal state into a lowly humble mortal state when His Spirit body became a fleshly body in the womb of the Virgin Mary, in order to die for the sins of the whole world. We need to be very clear that Joseph’s sperm and Mary’s egg played absolutely no part whatsoever in the embryonic fleshly body of Jesus that was planted by Father God in the womb of the Virgin Mary.

    The embryonic life of Jesus that was conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary was completely of the Holy Spirit (Matthews 1:20) and there was absolutely nothing from Joseph or Mary. Mary was in fact a ‘gestational’ surrogate mother for Jesus, and therefore, she was not his biological mother. Also, it is a biological fact that in a womb that carries a child, the mother and the child have their own completely independent circulatory systems and the mother’s blood does not in any way mix with the child’s (foetus’s) blood. So, we can be absolutely sure that Jesus did not have and could not have had any of Mary’s DNA, and Jesus was not related to Mary by blood or descent in any way whatsoever. However, Mary was indeed a blessed, favoured and honoured woman above all women. God chose Mary so that Yeshua Elohim, Jesus Christ, God’s only begotten Son could become flesh in her womb and be born as a unique mortal Human Being in order to die on the cross for the salvation of the whole world.

    The miraculous birth of Jesus Christ via the Virgin Mary should not be confused with the Roman Catholic unbiblical teaching of ‘the immaculate conception’, which refers to the conception of Mary, not Jesus. It teaches that because of the merits of Jesus, God protected Mary from original sin and that she was sinless, which is totally unbiblical.

    The Son of David?

    Yes of course, from the world’s perspective, both Joseph and Mary were Jesus’s legal parents who were the direct descendants of King David and Abraham, and ultimately of Adam. Therefore, this is why Jesus is referred to as the son of Joseph, and also the son of David, in the genealogies of Christ as given in Luke 3: 23-38 and in Matthew 1:16. However, it is important to note that Christ Himself rejects any idea that He had any biological connection with King David.

    Matthew 22:41-46
    41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?” They said to Him, “The Son of David.” 43 He said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying: 44 ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make your enemies your footstool”’? 45 If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?” 46 And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore.

    The question that Jesus asked the Pharisees was how He, Jesus, could be a descendant of King David, when He had existed before King David, and King David clearly knew and understood that Jesus Christ was indeed his Lord. Of course, no Pharisee was able to give Jesus an answer.

    The truth of the Bible is that the Son of God existed before Mary, before King David, before Abraham and before Adam. Therefore, Christ’s Humanity was radically different from the humanity of the first Adam. There was absolutely no physical, biological or genetic link between them. Christ simply was not a descendant of the first Adam, and therefore, He did not inherit the unrighteous sinful natureof the first Adam which all descendants of Adam inherit. Christ was born with the Righteous Holy Nature, which He inherited from His Father God when He was born of His Father before the world was created. This is why He was able to resist all of the temptations of the flesh and remain sinless throughout His earthly life, and die to forgive the sins of the whole world.

    It is very important to understand that Jesus Christ did not have two natures, divine and human, as falsely believed by Traditional Christianity. This false unbiblical theology is known as the ‘Hypostatic Union’. The truth of the Bible is that Jesus Christ has, always has had, and always will have only one nature which is the Divine Holy Righteous sinless nature that He inherited from His Father God.

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    Believing in the true Christ of the Bible.

    Christ says, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and who believes in Me shall never thirst”. Again, Christ says, “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life” (John 6:35, 47). So, it becomes extremely important for everyone to believe in the true Christ of the Bible.

    Let us further understand who exactly the true Christ of the Bible is. The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the Firstborn three times with three different, yet very significant, meanings.

    Firstly, Jesus is the Firstborn over all creation (Colossians 1:15), which refers to the Spirit birth of Jesus Christ when the immortal Spirit Father God begot His immortal Spirit Son, before all creation and before time began. This was the beginning of all beginnings (John 1:1).

    Secondly, Jesus is the Firstborn of Mary (Matthew 1:25), which refers to Christ’s Human Virgin birth. This is when the immortal Spirit Son became mortal flesh, transforming into the embryo in the womb of the Virgin Mary, approximately 2000 years ago, in order to be born out of Mary’s womb as a unique Human baby, the Son of Man. This was for the ultimate purpose of sacrificing His life on the cross for the sins of the whole world.

    Thirdly, Jesus is the Firstborn from the dead(Colossians 1:18), which refers to Christ’s resurrection from the dead after three days and three nights in the grave. Christ is indeed the First Man to be resurrected from the dead, from being mortal to being immortal. Now, let us understand what exactly happened to Christ’s Spirit and His Body when He died on the cross for the sins of the whole world.

    Luke 23:46
    And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit.” Having said this, He breathed His last.

    Christ committed His Spirit to His Father just before He died. When Christ’s Spirit left His physical body at the cross, Christ breathed His last and He died. The Bible says that “the body without the spirit is dead” (James 2:26). So yes, Christ truly died when His Spirit left His body. Christ’s Spirit went back to His Father God in an unconscious state for safe-keeping until Christ’s resurrection three days later.

    Here, we need to keep in mind the clear distinction between God the Father and God the Son, because the false doctrine of the Trinity brings confusion and contradiction into the death and resurrection of the Son of God. Scripture is clear that God the Father cannot diebecause He alone is truly Eternal, having no beginning and no end (Deuteronomy 32:40, Psalm 90:2, 102:27, 1 Timothy 6:16). However, it was possible for God the Son to die. When Father God begot His Son in the beginning, which was the beginning of all beginnings, before the creation of the world, it was always within Father God’s Plan to send His Son into the world, to become flesh in the likeness of man and to die on the cross for the sins of the whole world. We thank our Father God, and also of course Jesus Christ, that He, God’s only begotten Son did indeed die on the cross; otherwise we would not have a Saviour.

    So, what exactly happened to Jesus Christ when He died on the cross? The whole of the Bible consistently teaches that when a person dies, he ‘sleeps’ with no consciousness until his resurrection. So, Jesus ‘slept’ with no consciousness for three days and three nights in His grave. Also, it is important to note that when Christ died, His physical body did not decay because He had a sinless incorruptible body with no Adamic ancestry, unlike our human sinful corruptible bodies, with Adamic ancestry, which came from the dust and will go back to the dust.

    After three days and three nights in the grave, the Son of God Jesus Christ, Yeshua Elohim, was resurrected from the dead when His body received back His Spirit from His Father. This is when Christ’s fleshly dead mortalbody was transformed into a living immortal, but still fleshly body. After being forty days on earth, Jesus Christ then ascended from the Mount of Olives to heaven, to return to His Father. This is when Christ transformed back into His immortal glorified Spirit body, the very same immortal Spirit body in which He was born in the beginning before all creation, but now with the added richness and experience of His unique Humanity.

    So, Jesus Christ willingly endured a cycle of transformation of His immortal Spirit body in order to become our Saviour. Firstly, His immortal Spirit body was transformed into a fleshly mortal body in the womb of the Virgin Mary, approximately two thousand years ago. Secondly, on the cross, His fleshly mortal body died when Jesus committed His Spirit to His Father God and Jesus’s Spirit left His body. Thirdly, His fleshly mortal dead body lying in the grave was transformed, revived and resurrected to immortal fleshly life when Jesus’s body received back His Spirit from Father God after three days and nights in the grave. Fourthly, and finally, after forty days on earth, Jesus ascended to heaven from the Mount of Olives, when His fleshly immortal body was transformed back to His original immortal glorified Spirit body, described in Revelation 1:13-18; the same immortal Spirit glorified body in which He was born in the beginning before all creation, but now with the added richness and experience of His unique Humanity.

    The only begotten Son of God Jesus Christ, Yeshua Elohim, currently sits on His heavenly throne at His Father’s, Yahweh Elohims, right hand. This is the Christ who will soon return in all His glory to establish the Millennial Kingdom of God on earth, and ultimately, the Eternal Kingdom of God of the New Heaven and the New Earth. However, there are some significant prophesied events which will take place before both of these phases of the Kingdom of God are established on earth. We give details of these events in Chapters 10, 11, 12,13 and 14.

    God’s Plan for All, which is the Reconciliation and Universal Salvation of All, is being carried out through God’s only begotten SonJesus Christ

    When Father God (Yahweh Elohim) begot His Son Jesus Christ (Yeshua Elohim), in the beginning before anything was created, before the creation of the heavens and the earth, Father God decided to carry out His Plan for All, for the Universal Salvation of All, through His only begotten Son, and do all things through and by Him until the creation of the Kingdom of God of the New Heaven and the New Earth.

    This is a profound truth, about which Traditional Christianity has absolutely no understanding. It is the main reason why it developed the unbiblical doctrine of the Trinity, which effectively makes God the Father and God the Son out to be one and the same Person of God, thus confusing the Person of Father God with the Son of God.

    To clearly appreciate this profound truth, we need to understand the following three truths:

    1. Father God creates everything through His Son
    2. Father God visibly relates and speaks to men through His Son
    3. Father God saves the world through His Son

    Let us now refer to the relevant scriptures proving each of the above three truths.

    1. Father God creates everything through His Son

    John 1:3 and Colossians 1:16 and other scriptures confirm the truth that Father God created absolutely all things, living and non-living, through His Son Jesus Christ.

    John 1:3 (KJV)
    All things were made by him(Jesus); and without him was not anything made that was made.

    Colossians 1:16
    For by Him (Jesus) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created throughHim and for Him.

    It is clear that the only begotten Son of God Jesus Christ, Yeshua Elohim, was born with all of the creative powers He inherited from His Father God, Yahweh Elohim, and therefore, it was through the Son that Father God decided to create absolutely everything, all living and all non-living things, as confirmed by these scriptures above.

    1. Father God visibly relates and speaks to men through His Son

    Both Members of the one God Family of Father and Son have been relating to men since the creation of Adam of Eve, and they will continue relating to men forever. However, it is important to understand that until the creation of the New Heaven and New Earth, Father God relates to men, not directly but indirectly, through His only begotten Son. This has been true in the Old Testament times and it is true now during the New Testament times. Let us now look at the relevant scriptures which clearly confirm this truth.

    John 1:18
    No one has seen God (God the Father) at any time; the only begotten Son (God the Son), who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

    Colossians 1:15
    He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God (God the Father), the firstborn over all creation.

    1 Timothy 6:16
    Who (God the Father) alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.

    When Philip asked, ‘Lord, show us the Father’, Jesus replied:

    John 14:9
    He who has seen Me has seen the Father

    John 14:6
    Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me

    These scriptures clearly confirm the biblical truth that no man has seen or can see Father God because He has remained invisible, and that no one can come to Father God except through God’s only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, who is the express image of His invisible Father God. It is impossible for men, not only to see Father God but also, to have direct access to Father God, Yahweh Elohim, without first going through His only begotten Son, Yeshua Elohim.

    John 5:37
    And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me.You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.

    This is yet one more clear scripture confirming the profound truth that at the time when Jesus spoke these words, no man, absolutely no man, had heard Father God´s voice at any time, nor seen His form. But, didn´t Father God Himself first speak directly to men from heaven at the time of Jesus´s baptism? No, He did not. One thing we can be sure about is that the Bible is the Word of God and it does not and cannot contradict itself. So, let us examine the relevant scripture in detail.

    Matthew 3:16-17
    16 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    Notice that at the time of Jesus’s baptism the heavens were opened only to Him, and only He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him, and only He heard the Father’s voice coming from heaven, saying, ‘This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased´.

    When Jesus said in John 5:37, quoted previously, ‘And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me’, He was referring back to this time when the Father personally testified to Jesus Christ Himself at His baptism. Jesus had to endure many tests and trials, from both men and Satan during His earthly ministry as the Son of Man, and ultimately, he had to die on the cross for the sins of the whole world, thus fulfilling His Father’s mission for sending Him into the world. So, it would have been a great encouragement for Jesus to receive a personal, visual and audible witness from His Father God at His baptism, at the start of His three and a half-year earthly ministry, confirming that He was indeed His Father’s beloved Son in whom His Father was well pleased. Of course, Father God’s words, ‘This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased’ are also directed to the whole world through the written scriptures.

    There are only two unique occasions mentioned in the whole of the Bible when Father God spoke directly to men from heaven, once at the time of Jesus’s transfiguration and another time, just before His crucifixion. However, these occurred after the time when Jesus said the words, ‘You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form’ as given in John 5:37, quoted previously.

    Since Adam and Eve, and including them, up until the time of Jesus´s transfiguration, no man had ever heard the voice of Father God directly. However, at Jesus´s transfiguration the three disciples, Peter, James and John, were the very first human beings to ever hearthe voice of Father God directly‘This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him’, as given in Matthew 17:1-6.

    It was the very same message which Father God had given at the time of Jesus’s baptism, but with the added words, ‘Hear Him’. It was important for Father God to confirm not only to Peter, James and John, but also to the whole world through Scripture, that Jesus is indeed His beloved Son and that His Son is more important than Moses or Elijah, who also appeared in the vision with Jesus at His transfiguration. Jesus and His words are more important than all of the law and the prophets represented by Moses and Elijah.

    The second unique occasion when Father God spoke directly to men was at the time of Jesus’s crucifixion.

    John 12:28-30
    28 Father, glory Your name. Then a voice came from heaven, saying, “I have both glorified it and will glorify it again.” 29 Thereforethe people who stood by andheard it said that it had thundered. Others said, “An angel has spoken to Him.” 30 Jesus answered and said, ‘This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake.’

    The crucifixion of the Son of God was, and is, the most important and central event in God’s Plan for All for the Universal Salvation of the whole world. So, it was for the sake of the whole world that Father God spoke directly to the world from heaven, at the time of Jesus’s crucifixion. Apart from these two unique occasions, no man has heard Father God’s voice, and of course, no manhas ever seen His form, except the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

    The Bible does say that one day all men will see Father God face-to-face, but it will only be at the creation of the Eternal Kingdom of God of the New Heaven and the New Earth. This is when our invisible Father God, Yahweh Elohim, will come down from His current dwelling place in heaven to dwell with all men on this earth after it has been refined and cleansed during the Lake of Fire Judgement Age to become the New Heaven and the New Earth (Revelation 21:1-4 and 22:4). This will happen only after all things on earth and in heaven have been reconciled, without a single exception, to Father God through Christ’s finished work on the cross for the salvation of the whole world (Colossians 1:15-20).

    The important and profound truth of the Bible that we all need to understand is that Father God, Yahweh Elohim, spoke to and visibly related to men only through His only begotten Son, Yeshua Elohim, the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ, throughout the Old Testament. People like Adam, Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and the prophets of Israel did not have any direct access to Father God; however, they did have indirect access to Father God through God the Son who represented His invisible Father God and was His Spokesperson.

    The phrases ‘the Word of God’ and ‘the Word of the Lord’ mentioned about 300 times in the Bible, refer to the pre-incarnate Son of God, God the Son, who is indeed the Word of God (John 1:1, Revelation 19:13), and it was He who inspired the Scriptures, which are the written Word of God. This means that Jesus was, and is, His Father God’s Spokesperson. Jesus represents His Father God and He speaks on behalf of His invisible Father.

    When the Bible says in Genesis 2:18, The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”, it was God the Son who said these words on behalf of His Father God, Yahweh Elohim.

    The expression, “Thus says the LORD God of Israel”, used by the prophets of Israel, occurs many times in the Old Testament Scripture, as in Isaiah 37:21 below:

    Isaiah 37:21
    Then Isaiah the son of Amoz sent to Hezekiah, saying, “Thus says the Lord God of Israel, ‘Because you have prayed to Me against Sennacherib king of Assyria,”

    However, it should be clearly understood that Father God, the LORD God of Israel, did not relate directly to the prophets of Israel, but indirectly through His only begotten Son. It was always God the Son, the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ, Father’s Spokesperson, who was actually doing the speaking and relating to the prophets of Israel on behalf of His invisible Father God.

    1 Samuel 3:21
    Then the Lord (Yahweh – meaning Father God)appeared again in Shiloh. For the Lord revealed Himself to Samuel in Shiloh by the word of the Lord.

    Notice that the Bible clearly confirms that Father God, Yahweh, appeared to Samuel and related with him indirectly by and through the ´Word of the Lord´ referring to Father God’s only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

    When the Bible in Genesis 18says that one day God visited Abraham and Sarah in Person when they provided food for Him, and talked and reasoned with Him, it was God the Son and not God the Father.

    Again, in Genesis 32:24-30when Jacob wrestled with God, and saw Him face-to-face, it was God the Son and not God the Father.

    Exodus 3:2-6 says that God appeared to Moses in a flame of fire from the midst of a burning bush, and again, it was God the Son and not God the Father.

    Apostle Paul was inspired to write that it was indeed the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who visibly related to Moses and the children of Israel during the Exodus from Egypt to the Promised Land: ‘For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ’ (1 Corinthians 10:4).

    Throughout the Old Testament, Father God always related and spoke to the Children of Israel through His only begotten Son, the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ. But Father God did not choose to reveal this truth to the vast majority of the Israelites. Therefore, the Jews in the New Testament days could not accept Jesus’s claim that He was the Son of God and that He existed before Abraham was born.

    Now, let us see what John 8:58 actually says.

    John 8:58 (NIV)
    “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am (eimi)!”

    Please note that Jesus is not saying that His name is ‘I AM’, and Jesus is not saying that He is the same I AM as His Father God. In this verse, Jesus is simply confirming that He existed before Abraham existed. This is the meaning of the Greek word eimi translated ‘am’, which is confirmed by Strong’s Concordance number G1510.

    John 8:58 does not prove the doctrine of the Trinity. This verse simply proves that Jesus existed before Abraham existed.

    God’s only Begotten Son, the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ Himself has also related to men directly and visibly as ‘Melchizedek, King of Righteousness’ ‘the Angel of the LORD’, and specifically as ‘Michael the archangel’.  Let us now look at the relevant scriptures proving these truths.

    Melchizedek, King of Righteousness

    Melchizedek is first mentioned in the Bible in Genesis 14:18-20, when He met Abraham as the ‘King of Salem’ and as ‘the priest of God Most High’ and blessed him with the gift of bread and wine. This was when Abraham was returning after defeating his nephew Lot’s capturers. Melchizedek is again mentioned in the Bible, in Psalm 110 and in Hebrews chapters 5, 6 and 7. There can be no doubt that Melchizedek was none other than the pre-incarnate only begotten Son of God, Yeshua Elohim, Jesus Christ, when we consider the reasons given below:

    • In Hebrews 7:2, Melchizedek is referred to as the ‘King of Righteousness’ and the ‘King of Peace’. These titles can only be attributed to God the Son and they cannot be attributed to any man because the Bible says that no man is righteous, no, not one, and that the way of peace ‘they have not known’ (Romans 3:10, 17). However, Jesus Christ is indeed the King of Righteousness and He is our Peace (Ephesians 2:14).
    • Hebrews 7:3, speaks of Melchizedek, “without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.” Again, this description can only be referring to God the Son, the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ and it cannot be referring to any man. The pre-incarnate Jesus Christ did not have any human genealogy as He was and is His Father God’s only begotten Son, and He alone ‘remains a priest continually’ as Scripture clearly says that Jesus is ‘the High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek’(Hebrews 6:20, Psalm 110:4).
    • Also, it is very significant that Melchizedek offered the gift of bread and wine to Abraham (Genesis 14:18). Jesus is the bread of life (John 6:35) and wine represents His shed blood on the cross for the salvation of the whole world, thus proving once again that Melchizedek was none other than the pre-incarnate only begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ.

    The Angel of the LORD (the Angel of Yahweh 

    ‘The Angel of the LORD’ occurs many times in the Old Testament Hebrew Scripture. When we examine these references, we come to the clear conclusion that ‘the Angel of the LORD’ was none other than the pre-incarnate only begotten Son of God, Yeshua Elohim, Jesus Christ.

    • The first mention of ‘the Angel of the LORD’ is found in Genesis 16 when He appeared to Hagar and promised her, “I will multiply your descendants exceedingly, so that they shall not be counted for multitude” (Genesis 16:10). Only God can make such a promise, thus proving that ‘the Angel of the LORD’ was indeed God the Son, the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ, speaking on behalf of His invisible Father God.
    • ‘The Angel of the LORD’ blesses Abraham and makes a promise to him, “Then the Angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, and said: “By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son—blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies (Genesis 22:15-17). Again, only God can make such a promise, thus confirming the fact that the Angel of the LORD was none other than God’s only begotten Son, the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ, representing His invisible Father God, Yahweh Elohim.
    • ‘The Angel of the LORD’ appeared to Moses in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush, and said to him, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God” (Exodus 3:2, 6). This scripture specifically and categorically confirms that ‘the Angel of the LORD´ was indeed God’s only begotten Son, the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ, representing His invisible Father God, Yahweh Elohim the LORD God.

    It is extremely important to understand that the title, ‘the Angel of the LORD’ does not mean that Jesus was a created angel, as erroneously believed by groups such as Jehovah Witnesses. Jesus, the Son of God was begotten not created, and He is the one who created absolutely all things, living and non-living things including all created angels (John 1:3, Colossians 1:16). Therefore, Jesus is not and cannot be a created angel. The title, ‘the Angel of the LORD’ simply means the Messenger of the LORD. Jesus Christ, God’s only begotten Son, is and was indeed the Messenger of His Father God and He represented His invisible Father God and was His Spokesperson, the Word of God, throughout the Old Testament times.

    Let us now also understand that the Bible specifically refers to Jesus as ‘Michael, the Archangel’.

    Michael, the Archangel

    Jude 9
    Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

    Michael is the one and only archangel mentioned in the whole of the Bible and the name ‘Michael the archangel’ occurs only once, in this verse, Jude 9.  However, Michael by itself, referring to Michael the archangel, occurs four additional times, in Daniel 10:13, 21, Daniel 12:1, and Revelation 12:7.

    The name ‘Michael the archangel’ itself suggests that it is simply another name of Jesus Christ. ‘Michael’ means ‘Who is like God’ and ‘the archangel’ means ‘the chief messenger’. Jesus Christ is His Father God’s chief Messenger and He is indeed like His Father God.

    Daniel 12:1
    “At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall bea time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone who is found written in the book.

    This prophecy, described by Daniel, will be fulfilled at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Notice that ‘a time of trouble’ described in this verse is ‘the Great Tribulation’ referred to by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24:21, “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be”. This is when He (Michael the archangel), the great Prince, descends ‘with the voice of an archangel’ at the beginning of the period described by Jesus as ‘the Great Tribulation’.

    1 Thessalonians 4:16
    For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

    Jesus descends with the voice of an archangel, which will be at His Second Coming, thus categorically proving the fact that ‘Michael the archangel’ is simply another name of Jesus Christ.

    ‘Michael the archangel’ in the Bible is depicted as the Warrior Angel; He resists, fights and overcomes Satan and his fallen demonic angels.

    Revelation 12:7-9 
    7 And war broke out in heaven:Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    This war which broke out in heaven, occurred during the Pre-Adamic age when Lucifer who became Satan rebelled against God and together with a third of the angels, rose up from earth to try to usurp God’s throne in heaven. It was Jesus Christ Himself, Michael the Archangel, who led the fight with His holy angels against Satan and his fallen demonic angels, and completely defeated them and cast them back down to earth. In Chapter 24, ‘The Biblical Truth of the Pre-Adamic Age’, we describe this amazing and very significant historic event in great detail, which had and continues to have far reaching consequences throughout the whole world.

    Again, we need to emphasise the fact that just as in the case of ‘the Angel of the LORD’, ‘Michael the archangel’ does not mean that Jesus was a created angel, as erroneously believed by groups such as Jehovah Witnesses. Jesus Christ was begottennot created by His Father God, and it was through Jesus that His Father created absolutely all things, living and non-living things, including all created angels. Therefore, Jesus cannot be a created angel. The names ‘the Angel of the LORD’ and ‘Michael the archangel’ are simply other titles of Jesus Christ, amongst many given in the Bible.

    Let us now go on to consider the third truth.

    1. Father God saves the world through His Son

    The most important thing that Father God does through His only begotten Son Jesus is to save the world; not a small part of the world, but the whole world. Yes indeed, God’s only begotten Son is the Saviour of the whole world. This is the really Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the atoning sacrifice, not only for the sins of believers, but also, for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). The sins of the whole world include the sins of all unbelievers and all fallen angels, as the key scripture Colossians 1:15-20 clearly says. A detailed commentary on this scripture is given in Chapter 4, Universal Reconciliation Scriptures – The Riches of Christ.

    All of God’s creation, without exception, will be reconciled through the blood of the cross. This is the only way by which the full purpose of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ will ultimately be completely fulfilled, in God’s time and in His order. Anything less than the full reconciliation of all things would be tantamount to defeat and failure of what Jesus Christ accomplished through His sacrifice on the cross.

     

    Conclusion

    In conclusion, it is worth repeating what we said in the introduction of this most important chapter.

    God is a Family, not a Trinity. God is the Family of God the Father and God the Son. The most important and central truth of the Bible is that there is only one true God, who is Father God, and there is only one true Son of God, who was begotten (birthed, not created) by His Father God before the world was created. So, the true Christianity of the Bible is absolutely founded upon believing in the one true Father God AND in the one true begotten Son of God.

    1 John 2:23
    Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

    The understanding of this truth comes by revelation and by revelation only, as Christ says:

    Matthew 11:27
    All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, andthe one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

    It really takes the supernatural God-given gift of faith to believe in the one true Father God and His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

    It is our hope and prayer that your time has come to understand and believe in this life-changing and God-exalting revelation of who the true Christ of the Bible is, and hence also true Father God. God bless.    Goggle: “the plan for All”if you want this site.

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    Hi Gene,

     

    You: TC…YOU TEACH Jesus himself is the CHRISTO’, as many others do also, that is far from the truth as you can get, Jesus recieved the christo’s, into him, scripture plainly says it was GOD THE FATHER WHO RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD, JESUS EVEN SAID he was “dead” , but you believe he was not truly dead, making JESUS INTO A LIAR.

    Me: I believe the son of man was truly dead. The man Yahushua died in his human mind and in body. The son of God in mind with the holy spirit did not die.  Also, those baptized of the holy spirit never die in the holy spirit if they endure to the end.

    In case you missed it:

    John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.

    John 10:17  Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

    Me: Christ, the son of God, raised up Christ, the son of man from the dead as his father had commanded him to do. How plain this is, but you seem blind to it.

    Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

    John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth:..26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

    Me: God raised up the son of man by commanded and showing the son of God to do so. No matter how many times you read it, it does not say that God directly raised up Christ from the dead without the son of man who is the resurrection.

    You: because if he was DEAD then how could he do anything his self. Can the dead raise the dead. You make Jesus and the christo’s the same thing they are not the same, the christo’s is the anointing spirit of GOD THE FATHER, THAT HE RECIEVED INTO HIS, even as we also recieve that same christo’s into us, that is the father in us the same as with Jesus. Or haven’t you read, “your body is the “temple” of the of THE LIVING GOD”. SCRIPTURE SAYS, “Now if the spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he shall “also” quicken your mortal “body”. It was that same spirit that raised Jesus also if you believe that quoted scripture.

    Me: It was the holy spirit in the son of God that rose up the son of man according to God’s will. You have not shown me scripture to the contrary. Neither God nor his expressed  image of himself dies. A shadow does not vanish when the object the sun is shinning on does not vanish. If there is no shadow when the sun is out, there is no object.  If there is an object, there is a shadow.

    You: Again you move Jesus away from the rest of human brothers and sisters, you make him different from those he called his brothers and sisters. IF YOU DON’T KNOW who Jesus really is, HOW WILL YOU EVER RELATE WITH HIN. Jesus said in that day, “many shall come unto him and say lord in your name we have done this and that, and he will say unto them, depart from me you workers of iniquity, i know you not.

    Me: I am not moving Christ away from his brethren because I don’t believe your false doctrine. I am rightfully exalting him above us. He is to be worshiped. We die with Christ and are resurrected with him. He is the lamb without spot or blemish. He is our captain. We become like him when we let him live his life in us. Before that, we are not like him but are like beasts that have sin in their beings. This included John the Baptist whom you falsely exalt above the Messiah.
    Christ had a human mind, that of the spirit. He also had a spirit mind of the spirit. His human mind along with his body was resurrected from the dead by the holy spirit his spirit mind.

    We acquire a human mind of the spirit of God when we are born of God. When we are baptized of the spirit, we are resurrected with Christ. After Pentecost, we shall never die spiritually if we who are alive don’t mess up. We will die of our fleshly mind.

    Anthony and Jodi have gone out of your way to try to prove that the Messiah was merely another man. No, he is man with the express image of God, spiritually and later bodily. He is God’s expression and is to be and will be worshiped. He will be above you and me, not besides me and you.

    You: TC, I stand right where Jesus wants me, not below him, nor above him, but right beside him. We are both of the human race he has already been perfected i am being perfected, and my hope is to be beside him in the resurection, worshiping the same GOD, AND FATHER.

    Me:

    Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar…

    Me: Christ is above us.

    Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Me: Christ is above us.

    Every means every. That includes his brethren. There is only one name that is unknown (Judges 13:8) right now. We inherit that name as we are co-inheritors with Christ. But when you say “ in the name of Christ”,  that name subscripts to the character of Christ which is above all other humans.

     

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