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Throwing more stones Nick. Ha ha ha!
We can all see what is going on here.
Can’t answer, so resort to the ‘can’t hear the spirit’ line.
The stuff of cults. Only the cult leader is hearing the spirit, so better tow the line.
lol.
Entertainment has some value at least.
Hi T8,
No judgement but just simple facts.
If you cannot hear the Spirit you will just hear what is literal.
No prizes for that though and no room for you to condemn others who do.
Nick, it is your choice to live in this manner.
Your constant accusations toward everyone else saying they cannot hear the spirit is obviously the way you get out of answering questions and being honest. You are even incapable of saying yes or no. Jesus said this is because of the Evil One.
It seems like you are set in stone, but may I remind you that God is stronger than stone. But you have to be willing.
Yes, when you say people are not hearing the spirit because they disagree with you, they are accusations.
When a person quotes scripture in his own words and you say it is wrong, then that too is an accusation.
People are aware that you accuse and you do it when you are stumped by a question or prefer not to answer.
You can’t answer yes or no and Jesus said that was because of the Evil One. This is not an accusation but a fact.Yes a fact. Let’s try it out.
Luke 2:11
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.Question: Was Jesus born the messiah, the Lord, and saviour?
YES / NO
BOOM!
Point proven.
Thank you.
A fact has been established.
Matthew 5:37
All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
Hi t8,
Concerning; John 8:58…before Abraham was I am. Scripture needs to be interpreted with scripture, and in context. The context is Jesus being challenged whether he was the messiah. This was/is on the mind of every Jew since it was promised in Gen 3:15, Gal 3:16. Jesus is simply saying I am he that had been prophesied and written about. See verses below in the same book of John.
Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
Joh 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
In Eastern and other cultures, to be the Son of the King is the have the rule and authority of the King, though the King has final authority.
Joh 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. (Deut. 18:15,18)
Note: To call yourself a son of God is to put yourself on the same playing field as God and give yourself the power and authority of God, which would be blasphemy to the Jew to think so highly of oneself, Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal with God but humbled himself instead to be a servant as we all should. Also, why the adversary doesn’t want us to be thinking we’re sons of God with power on par with Jesus.
The pharisees were always trying to trick and trap Jesus with their Bible questions. Let’s not rip each other apart but build one another up.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
T8….Have you ever considered the the words “two day”, is not nessarely refering to a twenty for hour period, but perhaps a much longer time period, which include events accoring over that time period.
Here is an example, Jesus told the thief on the cross “i tell you this day you shall be with me in paradise “, so people believe the the thief was in paradise that very day with Jesus. But did Jesus go to paradise “that day”, no he did not, he went to his grave dead, so how should that scripture truly be taken, should it not be taken like this, “i am telling you this day, you (shall) be with me in paradise.
The words this day can be an extended time period, that can encompass a very long period of time. So when the angel said this day is “born” unto you a savior, that does not nessarely mean he was a savior that very day, now does it? Even though it was his destiny to be the savior .
The angel was referencing to them that, that day WAS “BORN” UNTO THEM, JESUS THE PROPHECIED SAVIOR. But that took time to occur and many thing had to happen till it was accomplished. Because if salvation had already happened at his birth, then why did it need to happen later in his life, he had to live out his role before it could have happened, even though it was his destiny at birth.
That is true with any prophetic event. It hasen’t happened till it happend. John the baptist wasn’t a baptist tell he baptized right, even though that was his destiny.
Do you follow me. All prophecied events have a beginning and a completion, but the completion is not there at the beginning now is it? If that were the case then why go through what he went through if his birth completed it all as the savior. No, something had to be done first, before he could become the savior of mankind. IMO
So Jesus was “born” that day to be the savior, yes from a prophetic stand point, but was he already that savior before he actually attained to it, “NO’. But that does not change the fact that was his destiny.
For unto us a savior was indeed “born” the day he was born, and he grew to fullfill that description of him and indeed became our savior OVER TIME, as prophecied. Because all prophecy is time based, and occures over time to completion. The angel was simply telling them that the “prophecied” savior was indeed born that day. But his work, to be that savior, was before him, yet to happen.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Hi T8,
The unspiritual pharisees also only heard the literal words and their rage was triumphantly expressed against Jesus.
They killed him – while he was pleading for them to be forgiven because they did not understand.
Watchman said: Gal 3:16. Jesus is simply saying I am he that had been prophesied and written about.
But he said: “Before Abraham, I am”.
Abraham is referenced.
Two birds with one stone
GENE said: The angel was referencing to them that, that day WAS “BORN” UNTO THEM, JESUS THE PROPHECIED SAVIOR. But that took time to occur and many thing had to happen till it was accomplished. Because if salvation had already happened at his birth, then why did it need to happen later in his life, he had to live out his role before it could have happened, even though it was his destiny at birth.
But is says: “Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord”.
Thus, you are trying to convince me of this which I will not believe:
Today in the town of David a FUTURE Savior has been born to you; he is NOT the Messiah, the Lord.Nick said: The unspiritual pharisees also only heard the literal words and their rage was triumphantly expressed against Jesus.
I see, so if I am spiritual like you, I will read it as follows:
Today in the town of David a FUTURE Savior has been born to you; he is ACTUALLY NOT the Messiah, the Lord THIS DAY.I believe that scripture is right. I merely agree with it. You are free to disagree with my belief that scripture is right.
“Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord”.
You are trying to convince people he was not the messiah. That is neither spiritual or privy to secret knowledge. It is just plain wrong to disagree with scripture. Simple.
T8….OK then, please tell us who was saved when JESUS WAS BORN, that shouldn’t be hard for you seening you believe he was already the savoir at birth?
Why did he have to die in order for us to be forgiven, if he was “already” the savior at birth, pick on that and come back and tell us how that fits into your
Reasonings, if you can?Remember we are not saying he was not born “to be” the savior, we are saying he was not a savior of mankind “at birth”.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Gene. Read the scripture carefully. It is a message from a heavenly messenger. I believe it and you have rejected it.
Your human reasoning gets in the way.
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