Preexistence

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  • #812241
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    Are you claiming that God created this universe and everything in it to be subject to vanity?

    #812242
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    Yes.

    The new was designed to replace the old.

    Be transformed by the renewal of your mind lest you miss the planned renovation.

    #812244
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    I believe it was subjected to vanity when Adam sinned.

    There is evidence the earth changed for it is written that God stated it was cursed for Adam’s sake. (Genesis 3:17)

    Before that God stated his creation was good (Genesis 1:4, 10, 12, 18, 21, 25) and in verse 31 he called the creation of humanity very good.

    Don’t those Writings disagree with your idea?

    #812246
    GeneBalthrop
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    Kerwin….TRUE, BUT GOD STILL SUBJECTED IT TO VANITY, why, would he have allowed mankind to be decieved in the first place, and if we say GOD KNOWS THE END FROM THE BEGINNING, then he must have known and planned for man to fall, so man could become more like him, in knowing good and evil. I believe it is all a creative process in teaching us about the diffference between good and evil, it required us to actually experience both to gain judgements.

    Both you and NICK have good points, I believe nothing is accidental it alway had plan and purpose from the very start to the finish. God the Father has always been in complete control of all his creation. IMO

    Peace and love to you and yours …….gene

    #812248
    terraricca
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    Gene

    no, kerwin and Nick have it wrong for God does not see or foresees evil, man does

    God if you want to admitted give orders to Adam but does he follow them ? NO, now what would you expect God do ,beside fulfilling the words he said ?

    this is so simple but no one seem to believe God when he say something ,then invent stories that don’t make sense and not supported by God’s words

    #812251
    NickHassan
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    Hi t,

    So sure of your own derivations and personal interpretations.

    God knows the future.

     

    #812257
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick

    I have no clue what you try to say ???????????????????????????

    as on deviations you are the master not me I quote scriptures and answers with scriptures when ask not you

    #812258
    kerwin
    Participant

    Terrarica,

    Do you believe knows all things?

    #812259
    kerwin
    Participant

    Gene,

    I realize God may have been speaking of the world to come when he said that creation was good and very good but nevertheless he did not curse the world until after Adam sinned.

    #812263
    terraricca
    Participant

    Kerwin

    Terrarica,

    Do you believe knows all things?
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    you know me now for about 6 or 7 years ;I never said I know everything ,I never even said I know more than you or any other ;

    what i said is that I know the written scriptures very well meaning I know what is written in it and what is not in it ,

    but all that does not mean much ;what really mean something is that we live by the truth ,if not we will never come to the truth

    scriptures says this all over the pages ,but no one seem to understand that part ;why ? because they don’t want to live according to the truth of God ;end of story .

    here are some of the scriptures that said just that ;
    Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
    Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
    Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
    Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
    Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

    take care

    #812267
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Yes creation was very good.

    The standard now has been changed

    Be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect.

    There is a difference

    rom 12.2

    #812269
    kerwin
    Participant

    Terraricca,

    I think you mean to address that last post to Nick as I think he is the one that made a comment about knowing all things.

    #812270
    kerwin
    Participant

    Terrarica,

    I see what you were responding to.

    Actually I dropped a major word in my comment so it was really gibberish and you misunderstood it.

    It is certainly my fault so please forgive me.

    My question is:

    Do you believe God knows all things.

    Could you please answer it. Thank you.

    #812271
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    I here you but I think you are verging off topic.

    What has been revealed to me is that when God cursed the ground is when he made it subject to frustration.

    #812272
    terraricca
    Participant

    Kerwin

    Does God knows all things ? well can God do all things ? No for God can not lie ;

    but can he know all things ? yes ;but how does he know all things should be the question ,for if we say that he knows all things i could be understood has him knowing evil ,and that he cannot ,for God is holy and holiness does not contain evil,neither righteousness ,

    so HOW DOES GOD KNOWS ALL THINGS ? well if You would be God and so no one could change what you do even if some one down the road falls and does not follow the pattern set out by you ,would this exclude that you stopped doing your plan that you set up in the beginning ? of course not ,for no one can stop you right ? no,and so God knows everything what he does since the beginning but the changes during the road does not change his plan but it affects those that have not follow the plan that God set up in the beginning,do you understand this ?

    this is said in another way ;you decided through your travel business to set up a trip to go to Rome , you have 50 travel people on your bus ,you stay at the office ,now if the bus as a flat tire that this change the trip planned ? no it just create a discomfort to those that are on the bus,right ,for the bus planned trip will arrive in rome as per schedule ,do you understand ?

    #812274
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    It produced weeds and thistles.

    The rest is from your mind.

    #812276
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    And that too apples to the salvation message,

    Jer 4.3

    “.. Break up your fallow ground and do not sow among thorns.

    Circumcise yourself to the Lord and remove the foreskins of your heart,”

     

    i.e Repent

    #812280
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick

    why are you so negative ?

    #812284
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    WHAT HAS BEEN REVEALED TO ME….

    What special revelation do you enjoy?

    #812285
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    It produced weeds and thistles.

    The rest is from your mind.

    The only curse of weeds and thistles is when grow where you do not want them. Many a weed is a flower or a herb. The fact they now interfere with gardening does demonstrate that the curse is in effect. There is more to the curse as it says but the part that is relevant is “till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”

    In context AV of the KJ

    …cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

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