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Hi Ed,
(1)The Spirit Of Christ is the Spirit of anointing.
(2)So it is not the spirit of Jesus or any other man.
Do you agree?
Hi Nick,
1) Yes
2) No_______________
God bless
Ed JHi ED,
The spirit of the man Jesus was not the Spirit of Christ.
Out of Bethlehem came the vessel for the Word.
A body without a spirit is dead Jas 2.26
Hi Ed,
The Spirit of anointing is given to living men.
Those men are alive in their own spirit before that anointing.
Hi Nick,
You said “The Spirit Of Christ is the Spirit of anointing.”
Where do you get this idea?
Hi Nick,
1 Peter 1:11
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God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
The Spirit of anointing gives eternal life not 70-80 years.
Before the rope breaks and the bucket falls into the well we must find the waters of life.
Jn7
Ecc 12
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”
Hi Ed,
(1) The Spirit of anointing is given to living men.
(2) Those men are alive in their own spirit before that anointing.
Hi Nick,
1) Yes
2) Yes yes_________________
God bless
Ed JHi ED,
So the Spirit of Christ is not the spirit of the man Jesus.
But all alive in that Spirit are one with the Master whether they live or have died.
Nick,
Hi KW,
You use logic instead of revelation to defend your dogma.
Surely you know the Law is spiritual and the Jewish man Jesus fulfilled the law.
Or do you suggest that God giving the Law was a waste of time as men could never obey it?
I know but you do not or you would know it is not logic the Spirit is opposed to but flesh. That it is written that they are opposed to each other. (Galatians 5:17)
Galatians 5:17English Standard Version (ESV)
17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
As you see what I say is written but what you say is not. Your teaching has descended from those that saw logical reasoning as a threat to their false teaching. Jesus does not see it that way but instead used logical reasoning to demonstrate to the Sadducees that their teaching was false. I follow his teaching instead of being like those Sadducees that condemned logic because they loved their false teaching more than the truth.
Nick,
Hi KW,
Rom 7
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
Do you deny this?
It is an old teaching that is called Total depravity or a few other names. It is teaching that though the Law itself is of the Spirit the humans it was given did not have the Spirit to live by and so lived by the depraved desires of the flesh. Paul describes how he strove to do the things of the Spirit, as the Law instructed him, when he was living by the flesh. It is a goal that cannot be achieved for the flesh is opposed to the Spirit, even the Spiritual words of the Law.
Sum:Those that do not have the Spirit do not have the choice to walk according to it.
Hi KW,
So you really feel God was doing a useless thing offering men the law?
If so Jesus proved you wrong
Hi KW
Deut 8
“He humbled you and let you be hungry, and fed you with manna which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that He might make you understand that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of the LORD.”
Jesus taught this in lk 4
Do you think he had not fed on the Word?
“We know the law is spiritual” -the law is of the Word.
Nick,
Logic is more of mental tool than a fleshly (carnal) tool.
In Paul’s struggles it was is mind vs his flesh with his flesh being the strongest. He did not have the Spirit as that is more powerful than the mind.
The Spirit is not opposed to the physical aspect of flesh nor is it opposed to the mental aspect of the flesh.
It is opposed to the spiritual aspect of the flesh, though not the breath.
Galatians 5 expresses the spiritual aspect of the flesh with the words “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like”
A person who lived like this would be said to have an adulterous spirit, a fornicating spirit, a unclean spirit, and so on.
Logic is a mental tool that can be used by either by those that walk by the Spirit or those that walk by the Spirit. Only the later can truly use it rightly.
Carnal is not the correct word to use for logic a it is a mental tool.
Hi ED,
So the Spirit of Christ is not the spirit of the man Jesus.
But all alive in that Spirit are one with the Master whether they live or have died.
Hi Nick,
1) False
2) True_________________
God bless
Ed JDanny,
Hi Kerwin, “Do you believe Jesus did not have God’s Spirit before he was given it by God?”
No. He had the Spirit. John the Baptist was filled with the Spirit even before his birth. Luke 1:15
So, I see there is a difference between Infilling and Anointing.
FYI
The filling of John is the anointing to preach the good news, though his was an incomplete message as testified in Acts.
There is a difference and those words are commonly used.
I believe there use is that the “infilling” means speaks of receiving the Spirit in its role of Counselor while the “anointing” means receiving the Spirit in its role of Gift Giver. Perhaps you are more informed of how they are used than I am.
End FYI
Is the first instance of Jesus receiving the Spirit the one that brought him into unity with God or the second instance?
Ephesians 4:1-6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
4 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 with all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Nick,
Hi KW,
So you really feel God was doing a useless thing offering men the law?
If so Jesus proved you wrong
First, you jump to conclusions instead of listening to what Scripture states as Paul already answers your question with the words in Romans 3:19-20 and other places and Jesus did not prove him wrong.
pertinent clauses:
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
in context:
Romans 3:19-20Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Ed,
Hi Kerwin,
I would like to answer that because you say you are lost as to what I believe because you don’t read my posts.
No – Jesus is “the Spirit of Christ” (ref. Micah 5:2) therefore
his spirit(the Spirit of Christ) is part of God’s Spirit(HolySpirit).
He received all (ref. John 3:35) of God’s Spirit (HolySpirit) at Jordan.FYYI
I read a number of your posts but not all. I do strive to read that are addressed to me but I was designed with limits and even other snuck in due to sin and its effects. I also what others have said you teach and I may not have though to confirm whether they were correct. Even when I do my memory may become flawed.
So essentially you agree with Nick who also believe he receives the Spirit of God at the Jordon river.
End FYI
So Jesus was not part of the unity of the Spirit prior to the time he received the Spirit of God?
@t8,
This was a duplicate post. I made it by stopping the sending of data to server after hitting the submit but and then making a minor change to the post as if the data was not sent and then submitting it and discoing I not abort the first attempt in time.
Hi KW,
So you believe Jesus did not fulfil the law?
The standards of the law were not unto perfection.
So no man could stand before God justified by the law
Nick,
I believe Jesus did not stand before God justified by the Law. Instead “the righteousness of the law” was fulfilled in him for he walked by the Spirit and not after the flesh.
In context
Romans 8:4Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
4 that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
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