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“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (John 17:5)
Hi T8,
This verse refers to “the spirit of Christ” being part of God in the beginning,
not a separate created spirit being outside of God (as Pierre would have us to believe)“I came out from God” (John 16:27)
The real question is: “when” did “the spirit of Christ” came out from God?
I have reason to believe this occurred when God breathed life into Adam._______________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
“that which was from the beginning,
which we have heard,
which we have seen with our eyes,
which we have looked upon,
and our hands have handled,
of the Word of God
(For the life was manifested,
and we have seen it,
and bear witness
and shew unto you that eternal life
which was with the Father,
land was manifested unto us)
That which we have seen,
declare we unto you
that Ye may have fellowship with us;
-no truly our fellowship is with the Father ,
and with His Son
Jesus Christ
You really think this is all about a book yet to be written?
Hi t8,
The carnal Jews misunderstood and you have been caught up in their error.
If the were spiritual men they would have understood.
So would you.
You really think this is all about a book yet to be written?
Hi Nick,
“our hands have handled, of the Word of life;” (1John 1:1)
John is referring to his part (as the “few who are chosen”)
in taking part in writing “The Bible” – “handling The Word”“And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me.
Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
And ye have not his word abiding in you:for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. Search the scriptures; for in them
ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.” (John 5:37-40)_______________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
A far fetched fantasy.
The book was not from the beginning and with the Father.
Fellowship is with the Father and the Son in the One Spirit.
Hi T8,
“The spirit of Christ”, according to Nick’s belief, is the “HolySpirit”.
I, on the other hand, believe “the spirit of Christ” is HolySpirit’s son. (ref. Matt.1:18, Matt.1:20, Luke 1:35)“The spirit of Christ”, according to Nick’s belief, is the “The Word”.
I, on the other hand, believe the “HolySpirit” is “The Word” (ref. John 6:63, Eph.6:17, Heb 7:28)We both believe that “The Word” was made flesh (in Jesus) at Jordan. (ref. Acts 10:38, 2Cor.5:19, John 1:14)
I hope that clarifies things a bit for youHi ED,
In the Holy Spirit is both the Father and the Son as spirit.
We shall come to you.
Okay thanks for that. That is much clearer. Some substance at last that can be tested.
@EdJ, on the outset, that is the very same argument that @Lightenup came here with. I am curious, did Nick argue against her regarding this?
Understood what, that “before Abraham, I am”?
I believe his words but you seem to imply the opposite (correct me if I have you wrong on this view).
You are basically saying “Before Abraham, I wasn’t”?
That is what you believe regarding Jesus, right?
t8,
Instead of Jesus saying, something like, “oh you misunderstand, I saw this in a vision” or “my Father told me so” or some other reason that doesn’t point to the pre-existence of Jesus. Instead, he solidifies their suspicion with the words: “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am”.
You are speculating on how Jesus would choose to address their unbelief.
I on the other hand see him as ignoring their objections and stating he is the Christ.
The bottom line is the words “Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day” which is speaking of what would be done in the future. The fact we are also told Abraham saw Jesus day means he saw it before he died but then so did other prophets. Technically Jesus’ day did not begin until after he was conceived of Mary.
I suspect why Jesus chose to use wording that is open to interpretation in John 8:58 is the same reason he spoke in parables.
Hi ED,
In the Holy Spirit is both the Father and the Son as spirit.
We shall come to you.
Hi Nic,
Would not “WE” be:
the spirit the spirit of the Father(=the HolySpirit)
of and the spirit of the son(=the Spirit of Christ)?
< <<<<>>>>>Or
Would you say the “We” instead is:
The HolySpirit(the Father’s spirit + the spirit of Christ combo)
and Jesus’ human spirit?Please clarify your position
…because both me and T8
would like to know who the “We” is ???_______________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
The Holy Spirit is of the Father and the Son.
The spirit of Jesus left him at death and returned to God as happens with every man-Ecc 12
Hi Ed,
The Holy Spirit is of the Father and the Son.
The spirit of Jesus left him at death and returned to God as happens with every man-Ecc 12
The Spirit of truth is from the Father.
The Spirit of Christ is also known as the Spirit of the Son.-gal 4.6
There is only One Holy Spirit
You really think this is all about a book yet to be written?
Hi Nick,
“our hands have handled, of the Word of life;” (1John 1:1)
John is referring to his part (as the “few who are chosen”)
in taking part in writing “The Bible” – “handling The Word”Hi Nick,
Yes, Mark was written from Peter’s account, and
John wrote his own Gospel account. They were both
more than likely already written when John wrote 1John1:1.
[color=brown]Do you really think it means to physically touch Jesus instead?[/color]…and Revelation was likely yet to be written.
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God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
The Holy Spirit is of the Father and the Son.
The spirit of Jesus left him at death and returned to God as happens with every man-Ecc 12
Hi Nick,
Is Jesus’ spirit part of the “We” – yes or no?
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