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Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,14:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2012,07:34) Ed, Do you acknowledge the undeniable FACT that John 1:1c can either be translated as “God” or as “a god”? Because THAT is what I'm trying to teach you. Have I done that yet?
Hi Mike,Translating as you suggest would be adding to God's word, something God warns against.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,19:19) Hi Mike, The bible can be altered in any way people want,
that is why there are so many English versions.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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edjyes, but the truth can not be changed it will remain intact in any language provided it is a good translation of the latest originals on hand
Tell me why the translation that places our one God with Himself is the “unaltered” one, Ed.
Since we already know Jesus is a god, and we already know that Jesus is called “the Word”, and we already know that Jesus is the only begotten of God, then how much more sense it makes, and how much more it aligns with scripture if Jesus was a god who was with the God in the beginning – before he was made flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten.
This is the story of John 1, and that same story is foretold in the OT, and repeated in different words by different people all throughout the NT.
But because the Trinitarians altered the text many years ago, and because people like you would rather be “comfortable” with the translation they first learned than to actually look at the fact that it makes no logical sense – we are stuck with that altered translation.
Can you give me any other example from scripture or from any secular writing where something was said to be with the very thing it was? Of course not, because people would think you were insane if you started talking in such a manner.
How can so many sensible people be so blinded by such an easy teaching that Jesus was with his God before he became flesh?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2012,12:48) Tell me why the translation that places our one God with Himself is the “unaltered” one, Ed.
Hi Mike,Because the “AKJV Bible” is a word for word translation.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote we already know that Jesus is called “the Word”
Hi Mike,There is no record of this assertion?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Mike,
The HolySpirit was with God in the beginning and now is with us.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
Even though you didn't come right out and answer my question, I gather that you understand and accept that there are three ways to translate John 1:1c.
And that is all I was after from you and Nick in the first place. Because once you acknowledge that it CAN be faithfully translated as “a god”, then it comes down to which translation makes the most sense and aligns with the rest of the scriptures.
For me, the Word being a god who was with the God in the beginning makes perfect sense and aligns with every scripture in the Bible. It explains how the Word was MADE flesh, meaning he was existing not as flesh, but then was made flesh. And that matches PERFECTLY with Phil 2, where Paul speaks of Jesus existing in the form of God before being made into a human being.
It also explains how Jesus could have had glory alongside his God before the world even began. And how he could say, “I came down from heaven”. And how scripture can speak of the universe being created through him – invisible things in heaven, and visible things on earth.
It matches Micah 5, which speaks of his origins being “from the ancient past”. It matches him saying that no man has seen God except for the man who came from God. It matches Paul saying, “The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven”.
In fact, my understanding aligns PERFECTLY will all 50 scriptures we've listed in the Pre-Existent Database thread.
But what about YOUR understanding? First, it calls for God to have become flesh. Second, it calls for the “flesh God” to have the glory of the Son of God – as if God begot HIMSELF. Third:
John 6
38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.How could “God” have come down from heaven, NOT to do God's will, but to do God's will?
These are just off the top of my head, Ed. In a matter of two minutes, I have proved your understanding to not only be nonsensical, but unscriptural as well.
Let's see you do that with MY understanding. List any single scripture in the entire Bible that would refute my understanding of Jesus being the Word who became flesh and had the glory of God's only begotten.
Hi Mike,
John 6:38 is about Christ,
John 1:1 is about the HolySpirit(Jesus' father).God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Mike,
God's word is not 'a god', but the essence of God himself.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 09 2012,21:17) Hi Mike, John 6:38 is about Christ,
John 1:1 is about the HolySpirit(Jesus' father).God bless
Ed J
So Jesus came down from heaven as well as God's Holy Spirit?Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2012,21:18) Hi Mike, God's word is not 'a god', but the essence of God himself.
In the beginning was the essence of God, and the essence of God was with God, and the essence of God was God.Is that how it goes, Ed?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2012,14:48) Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2012,21:17) Hi Mike, John 6:38 is about Christ,
John 1:1 is about the HolySpirit(Jesus' father).God bless
Ed J
So Jesus came down from heaven as well as God's Holy Spirit?
Hi Mike,Yep
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2012,14:50) Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2012,21:18) Hi Mike, God's word is not 'a god', but the essence of God himself.
In the beginning was the essence of God, and the essence of God was with God, and the essence of God was God.Is that how it goes, Ed?
Hi Mike,You could say it that way.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,22:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2012,14:50) Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2012,21:18) Hi Mike, God's word is not 'a god', but the essence of God himself.
In the beginning was the essence of God, and the essence of God was with God, and the essence of God was God.Is that how it goes, Ed?
Hi Mike,You could say it that way.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
This is not said in scriptures only in EDDY S brainQuote (Ed J @ June 09 2012,22:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2012,14:48)
So Jesus came down from heaven as well as God's Holy Spirit?
Hi Mike,Yep
So Jesus existed in the form of God before being made into the likeness of a human being?Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2012,22:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2012,14:50)
In the beginning was the essence of God, and the essence of God was with God, and the essence of God was God.Is that how it goes, Ed?
Hi Mike,You could say it that way.
And when you went to the store the last time, did you take your essence with you? Or did you leave your essence at home?Can someone's essence ever NOT be with them?
Quote (terraricca @ June 10 2012,15:24) Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,22:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2012,14:50) Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2012,21:18) Hi Mike, God's word is not 'a god', but the essence of God himself.
In the beginning was the essence of God, and the essence of God was with God, and the essence of God was God.Is that how it goes, Ed?
Hi Mike,You could say it that way.
God bless
Ed J b
This is not said in scriptures only in EDDY S brain
PIERRE,It was Mike's brain that said it friend!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2012,01:46) Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2012,22:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2012,14:48)
So Jesus came down from heaven as well as God's Holy Spirit?
Hi Mike,Yep
So Jesus existed in the form of God before being made into the likeness of a human being?
YepQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2012,01:49) Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2012,22:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2012,14:50)
In the beginning was the essence of God, and the essence of God was with God, and the essence of God was God.Is that how it goes, Ed?
Hi Mike,You could say it that way.
And when you went to the store the last time, did you take your essence with you? Or did you leave your essence at home?Can someone's essence ever NOT be with them?
Yes, when they die.
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