Preexistence

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Spirit's mouth?
Call in the medicos.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2012,11:51)

I'm very aware of that verse, Ed.  Tell me, does that verse mean that EVERY SINGLE WORD said in scripture is a prophecy?  YES or NO?

Hi Mike,

The point Nick makes is that Jesus became the messiah at
Jordan. This was assured even before Jesus' conception.
And no, every single word in the bible is not prophecy.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Even the occult maji recognised the vessel prepared for anointing.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2012,11:53)

Luke 2 25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27 Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, 28 Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying: 29 “Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,   you now dismiss your servant in peace. 30 For my eyes have seen your salvation, 31 which you have prepared in the sight of all people, 32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles   and for glory to your people Israel.” Ed, did God allow Simeon to see His Christ?  YES or NO?

Hi Mike,

The point Nick makes is that Jesus became the messiah at
Jordan. This was assured even before Jesus' conception.

Seems you are trying to disassociate the truth of the biblical principal made in Romans 4:17 to prove your belief.
Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God,
who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Simon most assuredly was aware of the prophecy concerning Jesus. And he thanked YHVH that he had seen his salvation.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2012,18:31)

Hi MB, You mean Jesus CHRIST? Without the anointing he could do nothing. Jesus CHRIST is the same yesterday, today and forever.

N

with it he still could not do anything

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2012,18:56)

Hi MB, Spirit's mouth? Call in the medicos.

N

Rev 2:16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

JN 3:18 “ He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
JN 3:19 “This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.

Rev 19:21 The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

Eph 6:17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
God is not a God of confusion..
But confusion seems to follow you

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2012,19:38)

Hi T, God is not a God of confusion.. But confusion seems to follow you

N

you are not only blind but also unable of understanding

get your milk

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Signs of life!

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2012,11:51)

Hi T8, But men err when they apply the predictable expression of creation to their God

Men err, when they throw away logic. God gave us the ability to follow logic. For example, three persons one God, all 100% God, but all the same God, who is not 300% God is the sort of result that occurs when logic is discarded. Logic isn't the means by which we figure out or understand the deep things of God, but it can spare us from holding to lies that do not add up.

Whether you like it or not, logic has its place. God created us to understand his logic, truth, and most of all, his love.

[NickHassan]

Hi t8,
Logic can even lead you to the gate.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2012,23:12)

Hi t8, Logic can even lead you to the gate.

N

could you give an example

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
God supplying the grace of repentance and
any level of faith can lead you to the bible and the door of salvation.
Obedience to the simple commands of God through Peter at Pentecost can help you become a child of God.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2012,23:55)

Hi T, God supplying the grace of repentance and any level of faith can lead you to the bible and the door of salvation. Obedience to the simple commands of God through Peter at Pentecost can help you become a child of God.

N

All true,but like you say levels of faith,mean understanding that faith,

How can you obey what you do not understand ??

But logic in Gods book give you Gods understanding,if you can get rid of your own personal logic men made one,

[shimmer]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2012,12:10)

Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 07 2012,16:55) THE WORD was in the beginning, and THAT VERY WORD was with God, and GOD WAS THAT WORD. You're capping the wrong words, Shimmer. that very Word was WITH God God cannot possibly be WITH God.  So if the Word truly WAS God, then he couldn't have been WITH God. Come on, people.  The following is from 25 TRINITARIAN scholars, who would like nothing more than to have John 1:1 say the Word truly WAS God: The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”) Why can some people understand this and others can't? Shimmer, when you showed me Luke 24:37, I didn't even hesitate.  I knew right then that my original belief that Jesus was raised from the dead as a spirit being was AGAINST the actual scriptures.  I don't understand how so many people can keep accepting that our ONE God can be WITH Himself, just because they have become accustomed to “and the Word was God”.   It simply baffles me.  If someone is shown that their understanding is unscriptural, they should IMMEDIATELY adjust that understanding.  I have on a number of occasions.

Mike.. Why are you (With everyone else) so pre-occupied with this pre-existance business?

Jesus exists now.

Why dwell on whats been?

I mean seriously… Look how long this thread has gone on??

Maybe one day you can ask Jesus yourself about it!

I did, but got no answer.
Just like I did about Spirits with Bodies but got no answer.

Other things of huge importance I did ask, and I DID get my answer.  Example – discussing with Bod about the Crucifixion – I started to believe that maybe the Muslims have it right.  I asked Jesus… and I was told to go and read the Last Supper.  I opened my Bible RIGHT ON the Last Supper page.  I read it, then was told to look for it somewhere else in the Bible – I flipped the Page – and guess where it landed – The Last Supper.  Now things like this happened all of the time.

This topic – No answer.

Main thing is JESUS LIVES NOW in anyone who believes.

Ok, take care.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Faith is not knowledge.

[Proclaimer]

Shimmer.

I think it is really about what Jesus said about himself.

He said, “my sheep hear my voice” and he also said, “before Abraham, I am”.

In English when we say, “I think therefore I am”, to means that because I think, I exist.
It can be used that way in Greek too.

I think the greater issue at hand is whether we actually believe Jesus own testimony and whether we are the sheep who hear his voice.

Saying it doesn't matter is like saying, what does it matter if God is triune or not.

I think it matters because the doctrine of Christ matters.

Matters of doctrine are important and Paul himself said, ” He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it”.

As I have said earlier, Christ is a mystery but even within that mystery, we are told certain things. I am not for filling in the gaps ourselves, but I am definately against anyone teaching or doctrine that goes against Jesus own words.

Best to stick with what he and the Apostles said about himself than deny what was said IMO.

[Proclaimer]

Shimmer, I also think that the day is coming when many will understand the truth about the Trinity Doctrine.

What will the result of that be?

One thing I can say now is that if we do not challenge false doctrine now and let it establish itself, then we allow a new great evil doctrine to take its place. Ask any gardener. If you pull out a great weed, and then do not replace it with a plant, a new weed will take its place.

And as the saying goes, “evil prevails when good people do nothing”.

I would feel partially responsible if I were to do nothing and let a false doctrine be the reward for those who were to come out from the deception of the Trinity Doctrine.

The body of Christ needs leaders who stand up for truth, not half-hearted people who think whatever.

That is how I see it.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2012,01:14)

Hi T, Faith is not knowledge.

n

Then scriptures are wrong, and nick is right,

EZek,says if no one preach how can any one be saved ?

But God send someone to preach and teach but what ? Is it not how to be saved,

And is this not knowledge ??to me it is ,in fact it is live saving knowledge

And it is from God so it is true knowledge is that not the truth

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Faith comes by hearing and by hearing the Word of God.
The Word of God is alive and active … piercing to the division between soul and spirit.
What is preached must be THE gospel, the written empowered sword of the Spirit and the seed of true faith.

Men can accumulate knowledge and never grow faith.

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