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Quote (t8 @ Mar. 01 2012,14:19) God created all things through Jesus Christ, his son, the Word of God.
No point in arguing against any of this because it is clearly written.It is also written that Jesus existed in the form of God, emptied himself, came in the flesh, died, rose again, and is seated at the right hand of the Father in the glory that he had with the father before the world began.
So he may not have been called Jesus before partaking of the flesh. He might not have had a body that people recognize as Jesus. And he may not have even been called the son before being conceived. But scripture tells us he is a mystery and that God indeed created all things through Jesus Christ, the son, the Word. We also know that he had glory with the Father before the world began. So all we can do is accept it.
Ephesians 3:9
and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.Colossians 1:15
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.To say that God did not create the cosmos through his Word, Son, or Jesus Christ is plain wrong as these scriptures clearly show.
So what is there left to debate? He is a mystery so there is obviously gaps as there are in any mystery, but what we know is what scripture says, and it says that God created all things through him. Why argue outside of what is revealed, because only that which comes from the Spirit is of God and the rest is of man?
So let's be led by the Spirit of God and receive revelation from scripture. He who is led by God's spirit is God's son.
T8this is very well explained,
and I would just ad one more verse to it ;
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
if any one as doubts about who is next in line after God almighty well see who has SUPREMACY any one else is lower,
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 01 2012,07:18) Nick is Jesus the flesh or that which resided in the flesh.
Hi T8,
Jesus before the Jordan is soul and spirit in the flesh.
Jesus CHRIST is the ANOINTED man-Son of God.
Made one with The Spirit of God-the WORDNick,
Jesus was the name given to the Son of God who had the Spirit of the Son within Him which was also the same as the Spirit of Christ, who was with the Father before creation. This Son emptied Himself and submitted Himself to the form of a bond-servant and needed to be dependent on the Father as a limited man because of His choice to agree to be emptied. In this manner, He became like man and was anointed, not to be the Messiah for He already was the Messiah before He came, but needed the anointing of the gifts and guidance of the Holy Spirit to carry out His ministry.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,14:53) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 01 2012,07:18) Nick is Jesus the flesh or that which resided in the flesh.
Hi T8,
Jesus before the Jordan is the flesh.
Jesus CHRIST is the ANOINTED man.
Made one with The Spirit of God
Nso Jesus according to NICK was a walking dead man,no spirit in him.
no soul,until he make it to meet JBT at the Jourdan to made alive
were do you get those doctrine
??contradicting scriptures as well;
Lk 1:30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God.
Lk 1:31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus.
Lk 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
Lk 1:33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.”
Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.Mt 1:22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:
Mt 1:23 “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”—which means, “God with us.”those scriptures are not fairy tales but you Nick are telling fairy tales to us,
Hi LU,
No mention of Jesus having the Spirit before birth in scripture is there?
The Sons of God are led by the Spirit of God and Lk4 tells us when that was.
No two divine beings shown before his birth-the Word was with God and WAS GodHi T,
Where did I say this.
Please be accurate.
he was a man-body, soul and spirit like any man[1Thess 5.23]
He received the Holy Spirit [ including the Spirit of Christ] at the Jordan and his own human spirit was with the Holy Spirit.[Rom 8.16]Then he lost his human spirit at death.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 29 2012,03:21) T8………..Yes He did “EXIST” in the FORM of GOD while he was ON THIS EARTH, for in him dwelt the fullness of GOD Why would he not then be in the Form or IMAGE of the Living GOD , Seeing the LIVING GOD was truly (IN) HIM while he was on this earth . You are forcing Paul's word to say that he was talking about Jesus as a Preexistence before he came into existence on the Earth. If you read the complete context of what Paul was saying , you should easily understand that He was showing them that Jesus who had all the fullness of God (IN) Him and was a Human being just as we are yet still did not think being that way was something to grasp at, but rather he took on the manor of a servant and Paul wanted us to have that same attitude. That is all Paul's POINT WAS, it is you Preexistences who desperately try to expand his word to say what in fact it is not saying, to meet your work of “SEPARATING” Jesus from our “EXACT” Identity with him IMO peace and love……………………………………………………………………gene
Hi Gene.Yes. I see Jesus as completely human albeit different due to Jesus being spirit and omnipresent etc. I hear Jesus' voice (spiritually) and Jesus is my friend, my teacher, and advisor.
GOD on the other hand is different again. God is pure Spirit, with no shape nor form, etc.
I don't think though that belief in preexistance or not matters much. But thats just my view, I still don't know the answer to it.
So, thats all I have to say here Gene.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,15:10) Hi T,
Where did I say this.
Please be accurate.
he was a man-body, soul and spirit like any man[1Thess 5.23]
He received the Holy Spirit [ including the Spirit of Christ] at the Jordan and his own human spirit was with the Holy Spirit.[Rom 8.16]Then he lost his human spirit at death.
NQuote Then he lost his human spirit at death. what s that
? scriptures Paul would disagree with you
Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 01 2012,13:19) I see Jesus as completely human albeit different due to Jesus being spirit and omnipresent etc.
Sorry wrong word, I meant Jesus is in MANY different places at the same time, whatever the word is for that??Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,19:53) Hi T,
Did you not look up Jn 19.30 and compare the other gospel versions?
Nyou never could defend your own words ,so you send others to the yard to find the tools you can not find or even existed,
either you come up with some scriptures or your faith as no connection to scriptures and so it become one of your invention,
stand behind your word or don't
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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,14:53)
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 01 2012,07:18)
Nick is Jesus the flesh or that which resided in the flesh.Hi T8,
Jesus before the Jordan is the flesh.
Jesus CHRIST is the ANOINTED man.
Made one with The Spirit of GodN
so Jesus according to NICK was a walking dead man,no spirit in him.
no soul,until he make it to meet JBT at the Jourdan to made alive
were do you get those doctrine ??
contradicting scriptures as well;
Lk 1:30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God.
Lk 1:31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus.
Lk 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
Lk 1:33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.”
Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.Mt 1:22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:
Mt 1:23 “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”—which means, “God with us.”those scriptures are not fairy tales but you Nick are telling fairy tales to us,
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,20:23) Hi T,
You never seem to be happy.
Stop judging and the clouds will lift
N
Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 01 2012,11:19) I don't think though that belief in preexistence or not matters much.
Hi Shimmer,It sure is a silly thing to argue over for sure!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgHi,
Nobody denies that the Spirit of God pre exists man.
Nobody denies that men are of earth-remember man that though art dust.So it is just a matter of finding the spiritual meanings of the teachings of Jesus Christ about himself.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 02 2012,13:36) Hi,
Nobody denies that the Spirit of God pre exists man.
Nobody denies that men are of earth-remember man that though art dust.So it is just a matter of finding the spiritual meanings of the teachings of Jesus Christ about himself.
Nthis is silly ,of cause God preexisted his creation ,if not how could he have created them
but why are you try to split God s being and his spirit (soul)or his will or character ,???
N
Quote So it is just a matter of finding the spiritual meanings of the teachings of Jesus Christ about himself. this also is silly,all of the scriptures we have have been written by the witnesses of his live and to whom he give the knowledge of his father,but not many believe them ,
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