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Gene and Ken, about the Word that was made flesh and dwelt among us…
Elohim made Y'shua flesh and blood. Elohim was in Y'shua by His Spirit. So yes, The Word which is also called the Spirit of truth was made flesh.
Look to the Feasts of YHWH which were proclaimed to be celebrated in all of Israel for all generations. Thes things were written long before the Messiah became flesh and yet He is the fulfillment of the Feasts of YHWH. So He (Y'shua) is the Word.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,16:17) HI Gene,
Jesus is the Word made flesh who dwelled among us.
John told us and I believe him.
Why can you not?
Nick….You simple just make a statement but you can't explain it . So show me a word or for matter any word that is flesh. i have never seen one in my whole life. a word is not flesh it is a expression of someone . your using word as trinitarians use it as a person . And while a word can be the expression of a person or beign and can be tied to the originator of the words, it can never BE FLESH. God was and is His WORD and no one esle is. God Gives His Glory to No Flesh just as it says.If Jesus Planily said the words he was speaking weren't His then how could his flesh be the word which was God. God was in Him so God who is the word also was in him, but that does not make Him God or the word. No more then it made the Prophets who spoke God's words the word either. Can't you get it in your it was God speaking through Jesus as He did theough the Prophets, just like it say's. Jesus plainly said it was The Father who was in Him doing the works can't you grasp that, not Jesus. Jesus said he could do Nothing of His self. The Father truley first person was in Jesus and In all who have His spirit. Thats why it say's God works in US to will and do His Pleasure. He cohabbits with Us we are YOKED to HIM, He is ever present with us. He conciders our bodies temples He dwells in. Just like He did Jesus.
Hi Gene,
Jesus is called the Word.
We need to feast on his flesh.
He who is the word said his words are Spirit and life.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,18:46) Hi Gene,
Jesus is called the Word.
We need to feast on his flesh.
He who is the word said his words are Spirit and life.
Nick….First of all acording to you Jesus is not called the word He is the word. At least that's what you were debating me about. I have said all along he spoke the word but that didn't Make Him the word, no more than it did the prophets.secondly….Jesus flesh is what he gave to God to be His sacrifical Lamb, for the forgiveness of our sins. The term to eat his flesh means to take to yourself personally, God's sacrifice which was Jesus Christ His Lamb, for our sins. The litteral eating of his flesh has nothing to do with it, it's speaking spiritually as taking to ourselves His sacrifice only.
thirdly…..Jesus said the words he told us were spirit and life, he did not say he was the word, he meant the words he was telling us were, your making the messenger the message. Jesus plainly said the words he was speaking were not his, why can't you get that simple truth. Whats stoping you from admiting that, is it pride or what?.
…..geneNick…..Hears what i believe about Jesus, Deut18:18; ” I will raise up for them a Prophet LIKE YOU from (among their brethern ), and will put, (MY WORDS) in His MOUTH, and He shall speak to them all (I) command Him ;,verse 19, “and it shall be whoever will not hear (MY WORDS), which He sahll speak in (MY NAME), I will require it of Him.
You have switched from this to Making Jesus the word. not God.
Hi Gene,
The Word who became flesh and dwelled among us spoke the Words of God.
Why will you not accept scripture as written and prefer it as you wish to see it?Hi Gene,
Is Jesus the Truth?
Is Jesus the Life?
Is Jesus the Resurrection?
Is Jesus the Way?
Is Jesus the Bread?
Is Jesus the Light?
Is Jesus the Word?Nick …I have just taken a word for word scripture that show's whose the word and who Jesus is. You are turnning Jesus into the object of worship nothe one who is the door it the object of worship you focusing on the Man not the message.
Tell me what do you think Deut 18:18 MEANS THEN. Try to explain the scriptures mentioned without skertting around them.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2007,04:19) Hi Gene,
The Word who became flesh and dwelled among us spoke the Words of God.
Why will you not accept scripture as written and prefer it as you wish to see it?
NIck ….. I could say the same about you also you switch the scriptures to neet you theology .
I at lest Know beyond a shadow of a dought a WORD CANNOT BE FLESH, it can be in the mind of someone but never BE flesh.This is not difficult to understand, a word is intellect (NOT FLESH). So knowing that what could it really mean if the text is contary to sound logic. It's simple the word (became) is a derviity of (CAN TO EXIST), Yes the word came to exist in Jesus and He spoke those words same as the prophets did buy as he said they were not his words he was speaking. How clear can you get then that. thanks ….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 29 2007,04:34) Nick …I have just taken a word for word scripture that show's whose the word and who Jesus is. You are turnning Jesus into the object of worship nothe one who is the door it the object of worship you focusing on the Man not the message. Tell me what do you think Deut 18:18 MEANS THEN. Try to explain the scriptures mentioned without skertting around them.
Hi Gene,
Is Jesus the Truth and the Life etc?If so, and this only only written once why will you not accept he is the Word when this is written several times?
1Jn1
” 1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 29 2007,04:34) Nick …I have just taken a word for word scripture that show's whose the word and who Jesus is. You are turnning Jesus into the object of worship nothe one who is the door it the object of worship you focusing on the Man not the message. Tell me what do you think Deut 18:18 MEANS THEN. Try to explain the scriptures mentioned without skertting around them.
Hi Gene,
Deut 18
” 15″The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him.16″This is according to all that you asked of the LORD your God in Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, let me not see this great fire anymore, or I will die.'
17″The LORD said to me, 'They have spoken well.
18'I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.
19'It shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him. “
And this prophet is identified as Jesus in Acts 3
” 19″Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;
20and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,
21whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.
22″Moses said, 'THE LORD GOD WILL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN; TO HIM YOU SHALL GIVE HEED to everything He says to you.
23'And it will be that every soul that does not heed that prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.'
24″And likewise, all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and his successors onward, also announced these days. “
So you accept that Jesus is a prophet, a teacher, a healer and a priest as these are known human roles.
So what is truth?
Jn17
” 17″Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. “Jesus said God's word is truth.
But he also said he was the truth.John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by meAnd scripture says he was full of truth.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.If Jesus is the Truth
is it any surprise that he is also the Word?
Or would you argue with him that truth also cannot be flesh?These scriptures clearly show that Jesus was created by his father as an spiritual being: JOHN 3:13; John 6:62 colossians1:15 colossians 1:16 also, GENESIS 1:26[OUR IMAGE] God had made Jesus before he made the EARTH. Jesusu was his MASTER WORKER.:;):
Nick… your long list of scripture is only a way you use to through off the specific point were are descussing,
Go Back to Dut 18:18-19 Only and nothing else and explain it . Don't jocky around ,I will Help you ok.
18… I (God) will raise up for them a (Prophet) like YOU from among (THEIR) brethern, and will put My (GOD”S) WORDS in HIS(Jesus) Mouth, and He(JESUS) shall speak to them all that I (GOD) command Him (JESUS).
Can you get THAT?>verse 19;, “And it shall be that whoever will not hear MY (GOD”S)WORDS which He (JESUS) speaks in MY (GOD”S) name, (NOT HIS NAME) I will require it of Him.
STAY right on this doint go any where else till you explain this. thanks….gene
NICK….YOU are more trinitarian then you think, your truth, your life,
your salvation, your word, is Jesus. I believe he is your GOD also because all your subject matter is only about Jesus I have heard nothing from you about God the Father only about Jesus.What is interesting is Jesus words, his life , his salvation, his truth was God the Father and thats mine also. thanks …gene
Hi Gene,
So you would dispute the words of Jesus about himself?
Your problem then is with him, not us.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,11:02) Hi not3,
Confusing? Why?
So what of the sons of God who rejoiced when the foundations of earth were laid?
They are scriptural sons
By focusing on “other” spiritual sons as proof that Jesus also existed as one (or could exist as one), lessens Jesus even further – in my opinion. It makes Jesus just “one of the many” sons that are in heaven. Not a special son. Not if they were all begotten of the Father alone.Does this mean God just picked a spiritual son – any son – to come to earth (you know, out of ALL the sons that were in heaven to choose from)?
This idea is confusing because it also lessons the whole conception/begettal/birth of Jesus. It cheapens the phrase, “ONLY Son of God.”
Quote (elaine1809 @ July 29 2007,09:38) These scriptures clearly show that Jesus was created by his father as an spiritual being: JOHN 3:13; John 6:62 colossians1:15 colossians 1:16 also, GENESIS 1:26[OUR IMAGE] God had made Jesus before he made the EARTH. Jesusu was his MASTER WORKER.:;):
You mean “clear” as muddy water, right?
Elaine, read the thread and you will see that things are not so clear. IF you are able to remain objective, you will see that there are holes in certain theologies/interpretations of scripture.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2007,10:10) Hi Gene,
As soon as you answer my question.
Nick ….another way to squrm out of something. whats wrong can't you explain what it spicificly say's, give it a try you might figure away around them You seam to be good at not answering spicific questions to justify your theology.
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