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Quote (Laurel @ July 28 2007,04:36) If you believe Y'shua died on a Friday and was ressurected on a Sunday, you believe a lie.
laurel…. this is a good point, while it not nessary for Salvation it is none the less truth, Jesus died on a wednesday and was raised some time on satureday afternoon probely at the exact time he died after three days and three nights. You know whats interesting is who can these trinitarians believe he died on friday and rose sunday morning, thats all they have to do is count the three days and three night to know its a lie…Boy what blindness can do to us….peace geneQuote (Gene Balthrop @ July 28 2007,05:40) Quote (Laurel @ July 28 2007,04:36) If you believe Y'shua died on a Friday and was ressurected on a Sunday, you believe a lie.
laurel…. this is a good point, while it not nessary for Salvation it is none the less truth, Jesus died on a wednesday and was raised some time on satureday afternoon probely at the exact time he died after three days and three nights. You know whats interesting is who can these trinitarians believe he died on friday and rose sunday morning, thats all they have to do is count the three days and three night to know its a lie…Boy what blindness can do to us….peace gene
Yes this is what they use to change the Seventh Day Sabbath of God to the Popes day Sunday. Which some even on this board have trouble accepting.Truth is Jesus was recurrected on the Sabbath Day and not the first day, Sunday. OH give the devil his due he has done a good job deceiving people that's why we should call out “Come out of her 'MY' People”.
Laurel…..> the word for spirit Ruach takes the form of wind, let me explain what i think.. Remember when Jesus said those born of spirit were like the wind, you see the effects of the wind like when it blows through trees or feel it on your face but you can't see it, and he said so is everyone born of spirit. I thank thats what spirit is, it's a force like wind that operates in our heart and minds, much like wind operates on earth. And God's Spirit is much like it, it's a force from God that effect us and does (set us apart) all who have it. Remember where it say's to try the spirits to see if they are from God these spirits effect our thinking and we do need to test or decern them or we can be taken by them. But thanks be to our Father He has given us the Spirit to decern them.
thanks …..geneLaurel I don't belong to the Cath. Church anymore and neither do I believe that Christ died on Friday. Neither do I keep any Holidays anymore. (Christmas etc.) I don't know any Hebrew or Greek, but the Bible says Jesus. So what you are saying the whole Bible is translated wrong? And everybody that says and believes in Jesus is wrong and will maybe even go to Hell? You are saying a hard thing, if that is what you are saying. You use the set-apart spirit like it is another spirit. Well I just could say the Son of God. Or is God wrong too? So what Bible are you using? Or do you speak Greek and Hebrew?
Mrs.IM4TruthHi not3,
The messiah is a man.
He was not a man when in heaven.But Ps 2 told them that the anointed one[messiah or Christ] would be the Son of God.
He is the same yesterday, today and forever but does not have flesh now so that never related.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 26 2007,17:24)
Hi Gene,
The one of divine nature who was with God was not the God he was with.
You should not worship the one God sent.
He is the Son of God.Nick…..you still avoid what i said it plainly say's (WAS GOD) are defiying Jesus then, whom you say IS THE WORD or not. Which side of the fence are you on, or are you doing a balancing act somewhere in the middle. You can't say Jesus is the WORD and Not Say He wasen't GOD. It Plainly,Planly,Plainly, Plainly, Plainly , (WAS GOD) are you defiying HIM>Please be spicific to the question stop skerting the issues.
thanks…..gene
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hey gene it clearly says that jesus name is the word in revelations 19:13,so acording to your own statement you are makeing jesus god,so who is the one doing the balanceing act,.may the father lead you into all truth.Quote (Laurel @ July 28 2007,04:26) Here is what Holy Spirit means again. The OT was written in Hebrew originally and through out the years has remained in it's pure form. I know this because of the equidistant letter sequence found in the Torah in Hebrew. In Hebrew the first two books of the Torah which are Genesis and Exodus are written so that every 50th letter consecutively spells “T-O-R-A-H” over and over again throughout the entire two books.
In Hebrew the last two books of the Torah which are Deuteronomy and Numbers, every 50th letter consecutively spells “H-A-R-O-T. Torah backwards.
There four books point to the book of Leviticus which is the heart of the Torah. In Hebrew, every 7th letter consecutively spells “Y-H-W-H” or Ya'weh, through the entire book.
This phenomonon could only have been made possible by Elohim Himself.
When I look for the proper meaning of words in Scripture I refer back to the Hebrew language of the Old Testament.
Romans 3:1 asks: What advantage hath the Jew?
Romans 3:2 answers: Much in every way because unto them were committed the oracles of Elohim.These verses say that the living Word of Elohim was entrusted to the Jew. I trust that it is correct.
Now the Hebrew word Qodesh (Qof-Dalet-Shin) was translated to English as the word Holy. It means Set-apart, sanctified, consecrated, most holy. It is an adjective which discribes.
The Hebrew word Rauch (Resh-Waw-Chet) was translated to English as Spirit. It means breath (including it's expressions and functions). It is a noun and a verb which means a thing and an action.
Set-apart Spirit is just that Set-apart. Capitalized out of respect.
My Bible writes it as such and I've even heard pastors on the radio discribe it as such. My Bible also uses the proper Names written in Hebrew. Y-H-W-H for LORD and Y-H-W-Sh-Uh for Jesus. Even the Names of the prophets are written in their proper form. Yeshiyahu is Isaiah.( יהוה is YHWH and יהושׁע is Y'shua) Hebrew words are read from right to left.
It is good that you are cautious, just don't be foolish. Let the Set-apart Spirit guide you to understanding.
Hi Laurel,I had never heard any of this before and find it very interesting.
Since I have no Hebrew text of the Torah is there some way to verify this fact?Thanks,
Tim
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,08:32) Hi not3,
The messiah is a man.
He was not a man when in heaven.But Ps 2 told them that the anointed one[messiah or Christ] would be the Son of God.
He is the same yesterday, today and forever but does not have flesh now so that never related.
Nick, your “Sons of God” are confusing:One begotten by God alone and is spirit; preexisting.
One begotten by God and Mary, and is man; not divine.One is considered a “son” because God beget him alone.
One is considered a “son” because he was given birth.Two very different SON(s) OF GOD, in my view.
Hi not3,
Confusing? Why?
So what of the sons of God who rejoiced when the foundations of earth were laid?
They are scriptural sonsMicheals…… Rev 19:1-21. is talking about God Himself not Jesus.
verse 10 tells us to worship God, it doesn't say worship Jesus and God. or Jesus who is God. Verse 12 tells you who is doing it, it's the supper of the Great GOD.
thanks gene.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 28 2007,11:55) Micheals…… Rev 19:1-21. is talking about God Himself not Jesus.
verse 10 tells us to worship God, it doesn't say worship Jesus and God. or Jesus who is God. Verse 12 tells you who is doing it, it's the supper of the Great GOD.
thanks gene.
I respectfully disagree Gene:1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.Rev 19:7 Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
Rev 19:8 it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure”– for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
Rev 19:9 And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”
Rev 19:10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Rev 19:11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself.
Rev 19:13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses.
Rev 19:15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Rev 1:13 and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest.
Rev 1:16 In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.Before Jesus turns everything over to the Father their will be no more death. Jesus is not finished, death is present in Rev. 18, 19 & 20. Not until Rev. 21 is death finally defeated and the kingdom turned over to the Father.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.It is Jesus who has a sword coming out of His mouth HE is the Word of God, Rev 1:16 and 19:15.
It is Jesus who wears a robe dipped in blood NOT the Father.
It was the Word that was that part of God that was Jesus, John 1. Jesus' new name since the resurrection is “THE WORD OF GOD”.
The Word of God became flesh. Jesus the son of man had the Word in Him.
Kenhch….My point to Micheals….. is we are not told to worship Jesus and as i have explained before Jesus plainly said the words he was speaking werent His, so while he can and does speak (GOD's) words to us that does not make him THE WORD. Because if thats the case then The Prophets were also THE WORD because they also spoke God's words to us.
when we say Jesus is (THE) definet article Word, when in fact he said the words were not His, then there is no way He himself can be the word, but he defenitly can speak and relay God's words,which belongs to God alone to us. But the speaker is never the words he speaks unless they originate from himself then they are His word.
And my issue also is who are we to worship GOD or Jesus or God and Jesus or Just God The Father, i chose to worship God the Father Alone as my GOD and my savior. I do respect Jesus as the one whom the Father sent to do his will and I know the authority given him by the Father, and he always does what pleases the Father,i am not trying to disrespect Jesus. But I believe we need to be like Him and worship who He worshiped and no one else. I hope this clearified my point brother…….geneKenrch…. Ken… the sword is the word comming out of Jesus' mouth. If i gave you a sword and said use it would that make you the sword or would it have been your sword then; NO. Neither is Jesus the word he speaks, he is the relayer of the WORD who is God…this is my humble howbeit acurate opinion brother, laugh: gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 28 2007,15:03) Kenrch…. Ken… the sword is the word comming out of Jesus' mouth. If i gave you a sword and said use it would that make you the sword or would it have been your sword then; NO. Neither is Jesus the word he speaks, he is the relayer of the WORD who is God…this is my humble howbeit acurate opinion brother, laugh: gene
Rev 19:13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God“..name by which he is called is The Word of God.”
You mean that His name is the Word of God but He is not the Word of God?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2007,15:27) Hi Gene,
The Word was with God.
The Word was made flesh and God was not.
Nick…show me a word that's flesh, i have never seen one have you, please give me a example so i can see a word is flesh. I always throught a word was an expression of intellect and never could be physical, but i gess you believe it possible for that to happen, i dont. thanks ….geneHI Gene,
Jesus is the Word made flesh who dwelled among us.
John told us and I believe him.
Why can you not?Wow, Gene and Ken, you guys are awesome! You have been studing and also seeing. That is only by the power of the Spirit of Elohim, and belief that you understand this. You made my day!
Quote (TimothyVI @ July 28 2007,10:05) Quote (Laurel @ July 28 2007,04:26) Here is what Holy Spirit means again. The OT was written in Hebrew originally and through out the years has remained in it's pure form. I know this because of the equidistant letter sequence found in the Torah in Hebrew. In Hebrew the first two books of the Torah which are Genesis and Exodus are written so that every 50th letter consecutively spells “T-O-R-A-H” over and over again throughout the entire two books.
In Hebrew the last two books of the Torah which are Deuteronomy and Numbers, every 50th letter consecutively spells “H-A-R-O-T. Torah backwards.
There four books point to the book of Leviticus which is the heart of the Torah. In Hebrew, every 7th letter consecutively spells “Y-H-W-H” or Ya'weh, through the entire book.
This phenomonon could only have been made possible by Elohim Himself.
When I look for the proper meaning of words in Scripture I refer back to the Hebrew language of the Old Testament.
Romans 3:1 asks: What advantage hath the Jew?
Romans 3:2 answers: Much in every way because unto them were committed the oracles of Elohim.These verses say that the living Word of Elohim was entrusted to the Jew. I trust that it is correct.
Now the Hebrew word Qodesh (Qof-Dalet-Shin) was translated to English as the word Holy. It means Set-apart, sanctified, consecrated, most holy. It is an adjective which discribes.
The Hebrew word Rauch (Resh-Waw-Chet) was translated to English as Spirit. It means breath (including it's expressions and functions). It is a noun and a verb which means a thing and an action.
Set-apart Spirit is just that Set-apart. Capitalized out of respect.
My Bible writes it as such and I've even heard pastors on the radio discribe it as such. My Bible also uses the proper Names written in Hebrew. Y-H-W-H for LORD and Y-H-W-Sh-Uh for Jesus. Even the Names of the prophets are written in their proper form. Yeshiyahu is Isaiah.( יהוה is YHWH and יהושׁע is Y'shua) Hebrew words are read from right to left.
It is good that you are cautious, just don't be foolish. Let the Set-apart Spirit guide you to understanding.
Hi Laurel,I had never heard any of this before and find it very interesting.
Since I have no Hebrew text of the Torah is there some way to verify this fact?Thanks,
Tim
Tim,
You can get a “free” download of the King James Version of the entire Bible at e-sword.net This version of the Bible has some very usefull tools. Strong's Concordance Hebrew and Greek dictionaries, a search tool, a place to save study notes, etc.
Each word sits next to a number, place the mouse over the number and see the original word that it was translated from.As for the equidistant letter sequence, do an internet search. It's known to the Jews who know the Torah and read it in Hebrew.
One more unique thing I once read is that in the KJV, the very center of Scripture is Psalm 118:8 The very heart of that verse is the Namr LORD or (YHWH), and it goes something like this: Trust in YHWH, not in man.
4truth,
Once again it seems we have hit a touchy spot. Please do not take me the wrong way. You can call Y'shua Jesus if you are more comfortable, I prefer Y'shua and I like how it sounds when I say it. It is His real name. I have done much study on the Scripture and it's accuracy. I believe that the entire Bible (KJV) is for the most part is accurate, although I know of a few places where a jot or tittle were changed. Whether this was done on purpose or not I do not wish to speculate. One thing I know for sure, when we read Scripture and ask for the guidance of His Spirit, we will recieve it. If you come across something that seems out of place research it and proove it with other Scripture. This is how I learn.
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