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Nick…. your words are your thoughts and your thoughts are expressed through your words, and they compose your spirit thats in you, you remember where it say's to try the spirits to see if they are of God, how are you to do that if not by the words they speak, because their words will tell who and what they are, you are looking at the flesh, like that defines who and what you are , but who and what you are is you spirit in your body and it express it self with word and those word describe you because the come from your mind and they are spirit, thats why it say's let this mind be in you which was also in Jesus, that mind composses the spirit and is expressed in both word and action they both come from the mind and thats the spirit in you. your words are an expression of who and what you are.
Hi Gene,
So words are not thoughts and plans after all?
They are the expressions of such things.
Good-we are making progress I think.Nick …..>doesn't it say by your words you will either stand of fall why because your words are who and what you are.and live in your mind, they are spirit.
Hi Gene,
Indeed.
But you are not your words.
If you did not speak them forth they would not exist while you do.Nick …. if you had no word in you you would be dead. Words are expressions of thoughts, remember where it say's “so a Man thinketh so he is”, you cant seperate a person from his thinking and we all think and express in words . A word is ( intellegent utterance) God in the beginning spoke things into existence , in the beginning was the Word and the word was GOD and was with God, why because it is the expressed intellegence of God it describes him just like your words describe you, they are spirit,Jesus said the words i am speaking unto you are spirit and life.why because they were
Gods words not his just like he said.Hi Gene,
Right.
What we express from our thoughts and plans are words.
But they are not words until they are spoken into existence whereas the thoughts could exist before and after that time and the person with them also would.
Sorry but your rationalisations are wearing a little thin.
Back to the drawing boards.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2007,14:38) Hi Gene,
So words are not thoughts and plans after all?
They are the expressions of such things.
Good-we are making progress I think.
nick….word are the expression of thoughts and can be the result of a plan,. I don't what point your trying to get across.
inform me please……geneHi Gene,
A word does not exist till spoken and you can go to jail for them.
Your words express what your heart is full of
but you are not even the contents of your heart.Thoughts and plans cross your mind all the time and you could never be arrested for having them.
nick….I don't know what is your point you are driving at with reguards to preexistence . I know God expressed himself in the beginning as the word ( a word to me is the expression of a person and let's us Know who they are) Just as God's words express who and what He is . How could we come to know Him without this expression.
i still bon't know what you are driving at.Hi Gene,
The word was with God not expressed as God.
God has expressed Himself through His vessels who brought His words, including the Word
I agree we can best know God by his expression as His Monogenes Son that he sent into the world [1Jn4], the Word, who had been WITH Him.Hi Gene,
The one assigned the greatest task of speaking the Word of God to men was the being called the Word and he was with God even in the beginning before the foundations of earth were laid.nick….It say's the word was God, on the one hand you say the word was Jesus and you also say the Jesus wasn't God, which way are you going with this.
and don't you think the Apostle John would just simple said it like this if he was intending to mean Jesus,{ in the beginning was Jesus and Jesus was with God and Jesus was God} do you really think he would misrepresent what he was talking about, and acording to you a word doesn't represent the person. so that alone would blow your whole argument. why not just admit God (the word ) was in Jesus,Jesus plainly said the word he was speaking wern't his .so who could he be the word then. Pleas explain……gene
Hi Gene,
God has always spoken His word from His own mouth.
It has gone forth from Him and accomplished His will.
Isaiah 45:23
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.But this is different.
Here we have a WORD that is WITH God not yet sent from God.
Three verses say the WORD WAS WITH GOD and three is enough to prove a case[2Cor 13]
One verse says the WORD WAS GOD and men struggle to understand it.
The Word who was with God was made flesh and dwelt among men.if jesus is not god,can you explain isaiah 9:6 a child is born ,a son is given ,his name shall be called wonderful,counselor,the mighty god ,the everlasting father, the prince of peace
Nick….I am not saying God the Father (the word) was not in Jesus He was Jesus plainly said that the Father who was in Him He does the work, you or no one has shown any activity of Jesus before he was born, don't you think there would be some. I still maintain that the words of Peter Define Jesus existence best { he was foreordained before the foundation of the world (BUT) was manifested (brought in to being) in our time. Jesus existed in the plan and will of God before the foundations of the world thats all,
if it goes any other way, then he realy was like us and you are atributing deity to him, thats all there is to it, that exactly what trinitarians do. If John meant Jesus he would simply have said it.Hi Gene,
He is the SON of that Almighty God.
He said so and God confirmed and it was supported by many prophets and apostles
but men prefer the idea that the Word who was God still is God
over all these sound witnesses for some strange reason.Hi Gene,
He did nothing supernatural of his own abilities while he was with us as a normal man.
His origins as the monogenes Son, the Word who was with God are another story entirely.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2007,16:19) Hi Gene, God has always spoken His word from His own mouth.
It has gone forth from Him and accomplished His will.
Isaiah 45:23
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.But this is different.
Here we have a WORD that is WITH God not yet sent from God.
Three verses say the WORD WAS WITH GOD and three is enough to prove a case[2Cor 13]
One verse says the WORD WAS GOD and men struggle to understand it.
The Word who was with God was made flesh and dwelt among men.
Nick….what about where it say's {God who spoke in times past through the prophets, Has in these latter days spoken through a son} question who spoke was it the prophets or God, It say's God spoke so does that make the prophets the word then, they spoke God's word, and this applies to Jesus in the same way also, God's spirit was uttering through the Prophets as well through Jesus who became a son adopted by God, just like it say's “I shall be to him a Father and He sahll be to me a Son”the word shall is future tense and this happened at his baptizem, when a voice from God said (TODAY) I have begotten you it didn't say another day but today. That kind of narrowes it down don't you think.
you have yet to produce any activity of Jesusn before his berth. thanks,…geneHi Gene,
No, only one was ever called the Word. The Son of God was a glorious vessel through who God chose to best manifest Himself. Christ is never said to have been adopted but rather sent into the World and God was with him here fathering him as it was shown in prophecy.
God did not stste at his baptism that
“today I have become your Father”but rather said in Lk 3
” 22And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. “He was acknowledged AS God's son
and a son in whom God was already well pleased.
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