Preexistence

[shimmer]

SF, these books are in scripture, but taken out of modern translations, theyre the 'deuterocanical books'

[Ed J]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 05 2010,19:17)

Hi Ed, the questions you ask are confusing, ha, and you say “The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate… distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit”. Ed, what I put is in the Bible. Have you ever read the Book of Wisdom or Ecclesiasticus ? Are they even in the version you use ?

Hi Shimmer,

Is this in The Bible…

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 05 2010,18:10)

All, Heres how it goes, First, what was Jesus before being Jesus ? The word.

Why yes of course, I did read the wisdom of the son of Sirach.
Ecclesiasticus is in the Apocrypha; NON Canon!
The Bible is: Gen.1:1-Rev22:21.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 05 2010,19:47)

Hi. What I find strange is how people ignore to even read these books such as Wisdom and the others which are in other Bibles (I have The Jerusalem Bible which has them all in it) So people here prefer things like Early Church Fathers, or books (Ed) of modern day, but what of these others which arent in modern translations ? And everything here gets confusing, my mind gets so cluttered,

Hi Shimmer,

                                  “A.K.J.V. Bible”=74

Get your self an Authorized King Jmaes Version of The Bible, and stick to that alone!
“The AKJV Bible” was constructed for people like you that are confused!

                The number 74 and its association to Jesus…

In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.
“Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).

“JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS”=373 (John 19:19)
This most popular phrase curiously adds up to the 74th prime number: 373.
Furthermore: “The King” equals 74 as well, which is at the center of this complete phrase.

Perhaps, Shimmer, you would agree that these FACTS are all mere (according to Atheists)
coincidences, but my research suggests: based on the large timescales that God orchestrated it's use!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[shimmer]

Ed, God is seen in all of creation, and spoken to in prayer, but adding numbers up, to prove something, also to prove we should all read the AKJV, Ed, l'm happy with the Bible I have. God talks to me through it and has for years so why would I want to part with my old falling apart scriptures ? (RSV)

[Ed J]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 05 2010,20:29)

Ed, God is seen in all of creation, and spoken to in prayer, but adding numbers up, to prove something, also to prove we should all read the AKJV, Ed, l'm happy with the Bible I have. God talks to me through it and has for years so why would I want to part with my old falling apart scriptures ? (RSV)

Hi Shimmer,

Why do you suppose you are confused then?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 05 2010,13:49)

SF, these books are in scripture, but taken out of modern translations, theyre the 'deuterocanical books'

wow, i have never heard of these books,
can you name all the books that are deuterocanicall?
i am going to read them

[shimmer]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,21:05)

Ecclesiasticus is in the Apocrypha; NON Canon!

Ed, lt's in my Bible, what are you talking about ?

Quote

Is this in The Bible… Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 05 2010,18:10) All, Heres how it goes, First, what was Jesus before being Jesus ? The word.

And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth. John doth testify concerning him, and hath cried, saying, 'This was he of whom I said, He who after me is coming, hath come before me, for he was before me;'

[shimmer]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,21:33)

Hi Shimmer, Why do you suppose you are confused then?

No, Ed, l'm confused on this forum, that's all I meant,

[shimmer]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 05 2010,21:34)

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 05 2010,13:49) SF, these books are in scripture, but taken out of modern translations, theyre the 'deuterocanical books' wow, i have never heard of these books, can you name all the books that are deuterocanicall? i am going to read them

Hi SF, they are,

The book of Wisdom,
Ecclesiasticus (Sirach)
Baruch
The first book of Maccabees
The second book of Maccabees
Judith
Tobit
Esther (parts of)

All from the Old Testament. All available on that site, or try and get The Jerusalem Bible (Popular Edition),

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 05 2010,14:54)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 05 2010,21:34) Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 05 2010,13:49) SF, these books are in scripture, but taken out of modern translations, theyre the 'deuterocanical books' wow, i have never heard of these books, can you name all the books that are deuterocanicall? i am going to read them Hi SF, they are, The book of Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) Baruch The first book of Maccabees The second book of Maccabees Judith Tobit Esther (parts of) All from the Old Testament. All available on that site, or try and get The Jerusalem Bible (Popular Edition),

i thought maccabees was part of the catholic bible…..and its historical nothing spiritual about it.

i thought that was called the hypociphy,

hmmm u know what, In Spanish we call it something different.

no wonder i got confused….. hmmmm
ill find out and clarify later

[Ed J]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 05 2010,20:29)

Ed, God is seen in all of creation, and spoken to in prayer, but adding numbers up, to prove something, also to prove we should all read the AKJV, Ed, l'm happy with the Bible I have. God talks to me through it and has for years so why would I want to part with my old falling apart scriptures ? (RSV)

Hi Shimmer,

I have sighted the source of your confusion.

That's why I told you to get an A.K.J.V. Bible,
because it's an authoritative Manuscript, it's 100 Canon!
The Apocrypha contains NON Canon writings ousted out of The Bible!

Think about it?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 05 2010,20:44)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,21:33) Hi Shimmer, Why do you suppose you are confused then? No, Ed, l'm confused on this forum, that's all I meant,

Hi Shimmer,

You can't blame the Christians here for your confusion!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

shimmer,

The Maccabees come off much like the Book of Mormons,i.e. as written by an adolescent. I do not read hear the Spirit of of God speaking in its pages as it seems more of a novel bases on historic fiction.

[Ed J]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 03 2010,20:48)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2010,07:19) Hi Ed, What do you mean?  Don't you know the “Word of God” in Rev is Jesus? mike

Hi SF, Mike and Irene,

The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.

Do you even bother think this idea out to its rational conclusion?
Here are FIVE questions that requires your like-minded to answer…

Was the world without “the word” before Jesus was born?
Was “the word” confined to Jesus while he walked the Earth?
Was the world without “the word” while Jesus' corps lie in the tomb?
Was the world without “the word” when Jesus ascended into heaven?
Is the world without “the word” now that Jesus is NOT here in the flesh?

Loose the irrational thought taught by the systems of religion! (Col.2:22)
Clearly “The Word” is the “HolySpirit” rather than Jesus! (Click Here)

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[shimmer]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 06 2010,03:53)

shimmer, The Maccabees come off much like the Book of Mormons,i.e. as written by an adolescent. I do not read hear the Spirit of of God speaking in its pages as it seems more of a novel bases on historic fiction.

Hi Kerwin, I hope your well,

I dont think iv read Maccabees, so I cant comment on it, but the book of Wisdom was good, which is in my bible. I cant see why they took it out of modern versions.

[Ed J]

Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 06 2010,10:31)

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 06 2010,03:53) shimmer, The Maccabees come off much like the Book of Mormons,i.e. as written by an adolescent. I do not read hear the Spirit of of God speaking in its pages as it seems more of a novel bases on historic fiction. Hi Kerwin, I hope your well, I dont think iv read Maccabees, so I cant comment on it, but the book of Wisdom was good, which is in my bible. I cant see why they took it out of modern versions.

Hi Shimmer,

Because it is NON Canon.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 06 2010,10:51)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 03 2010,20:48) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2010,07:19) Hi Ed, What do you mean?  Don't you know the “Word of God” in Rev is Jesus? mike Hi SF, Mike and Irene, The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate… distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit. Do you even bother think this idea out to its rational conclusion? Here are FIVE questions that requires your like-minded to answer… Was the world without “the word” before Jesus was born? Was “the word” confined to Jesus while he walked the Earth? Was the world without “the word” while Jesus' corps lie in the tomb? Was the world without “the word” when Jesus ascended into heaven? Is the world without “the word” now that Jesus is NOT here in the flesh? Loose the irrational thought taught by the systems of religion! (Col.2:22) Clearly “The Word” is the “HolySpirit” rather than Jesus! (Click Here) Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

edj

what do you mean wen you say WORLD ?

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 06 2010,14:35)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 06 2010,10:51) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 03 2010,20:48) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2010,07:19) Hi Ed, What do you mean?  Don't you know the “Word of God” in Rev is Jesus? mike Hi SF, Mike and Irene, The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate… distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit. Do you even bother think this idea out to its rational conclusion? Here are FIVE questions that requires your like-minded to answer… Was the world without “the word” before Jesus was born? Was “the word” confined to Jesus while he walked the Earth? Was the world without “the word” while Jesus' corps lie in the tomb? Was the world without “the word” when Jesus ascended into heaven? Is the world without “the word” now that Jesus is NOT here in the flesh? Loose the irrational thought taught by the systems of religion! (Col.2:22) Clearly “The Word” is the “HolySpirit” rather than Jesus! (Click Here) Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16) edj what do you mean wen you say WORLD ? Pierre

Hi Terraricca,

How many definitions of world do you have?

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

To all……….Back to the thread. Matt 1:1 ….> the book of the generation of Jesus Christ (THE SON OF DAVID) THE SON OF ABRAHAM.

QUESTION………If Jesus is the true son of David the Son of Abraham how could He be in existence before they were seeing He Here is called (THEIR SON). What magic must we apply to make this work different then what it is written as.

If Jesus lived before David and Abraham He could not have been there SON, Thgose who say he was are pitting scripture against scripture. Common sense should tell us that.

We are told Jesus increased in wisdom and stature and favor with GOD and MAN… > Luke 2:52'. How could these words apply to a Pre-existent Angel , demigod , or God of any kind.

Jesus was from the Seed of the Women as scripture say he was Gen #:15 God would rasie up from among Man Kind a Human being the would brise the head of the serpent just as He said would happen. No where here does it say that this (SEED) of the Women was already in Existence or even present when GOD Spoke these words. How could Jesus preexist and at the same time be called the (SEED) of the WOMEN.?.

God told Abraham ” IN THY (SEED) SHALL ALL NATIONS BE BLESSED” that (SEED) was Jesus Christ, again spoken of in a future tense not a present tense or past tense event. and it was in Abraham's SEED this was to take Place . Gen 22:18. And Paul tells us the (SEED) was Christ Jesus Gal 3:16. Is is totally stupid to think that Abraham or anyone else would think that that (SEED) already existed in some other Form of any kind, only MYSTERY RELIGION , could come up with such a thing as that.

Moses told the Hebrews this……> “THE LORD THY GOD WILL (FUTURE TENSE) RAISE UP UNTO YOU A PROPHET (FROMM THEY MIDST) OF THY BRETHREN . LIKE UNTO ME UNTO HIM SHALL YOU HEARKEN . Deut 18:5

No where does it say a preexistence Prophet of being of any kind GOD would raise up unto them Only MYSTERY RELIGION could teach such a LIE.

Peter applied these word to Jesus in the New testament ……….> Acts 3:22, and 7:37

Jesus was a Son of DAVID as David was told……….> 2 Sam 7:12-14……..> “When thy days be fulfilled, and thou shall sleep with thy fathers, I will set up (THY SEED) after you, (WHICH SHALL PROCEED OUT OF THEY BOWLES), and i will establish his kngdom for (EVER. I (WILL BE) (future tense) His Father and he (SHALL BE) (future tense) MY SON. All future tense expressions nothing there in a past tense or present tense but (ONLY) in a future tense. If Jesus was already a Son of God and already existed then this would be a LIE would it not? If Jesus already was the son of GOD then He would has said HE IS MY SON Not (WILL BE)>

In Luke 1:32-33………..Gabriel the Angel tell us this ………..>” HE SHALL BE (not is) Great and (SHALL BE) called the son of the Highest; and the LORD GOD (SHALL) give unto him the throne of (HIS FATHER DAVID) ; and he SHALL reign over the house of Jacob for ever and of His Kingdom there (SHALL BR) no end .

Acts 2:30……….> David ……..being a prophet, and knowing that GOD had Sworn with an oath to him, that of the (FRUIT OF HIS LOINS), ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, He (GOD) would raise up Christ to sit on (HIS) throne.

David understood that GOd would rais up from HIs lions one to Sit on His throne for ever, and that was Jesus bron into existence by Mary from the Loins or Seed of DAVID, As scripture plainly says. No where in all this is any mention of a Preexistent Angle or God or demigod being Morphed into a man and that man would be a decedent of Abraham and David.

Peter Said Jesu was a MAN approved of By GOD.by miracles and wonders which God did by him……….Acts 2:22

The false teaching of the Preexistence of Jesu destorys the work God the Father has done in man KIND and His power to Perfect us all like He idi Jesus through the same kind of Faith Jesus Had in Him. It is truly Antichrist and totally distorts GOD plan and Purpose in His creation , preexistence of Jesus as a GOD or Angel is a product of MYSTERY RELIGION that we are told to come out of.

You have all been witnessed to by Matian , barely, Jodi, Marty, Chosenone, And myself, let him that has ears to Hear what the Spirit is saying.

peace and love to you all………………gene

[Baker]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 06 2010,03:51)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 03 2010,20:48) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2010,07:19) Hi Ed, What do you mean?  Don't you know the “Word of God” in Rev is Jesus? mike Hi SF, Mike and Irene, The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate… distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit. Do you even bother think this idea out to its rational conclusion? Here are FIVE questions that requires your like-minded to answer… Was the world without “the word” before Jesus was born? Was “the word” confined to Jesus while he walked the Earth? Was the world without “the word” while Jesus' corps lie in the tomb? Was the world without “the word” when Jesus ascended into heaven? Is the world without “the word” now that Jesus is NOT here in the flesh? Loose the irrational thought taught by the systems of religion! (Col.2:22) Clearly “The Word” is the “HolySpirit” rather than Jesus! (Click Here) Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

Ed! I told you once before, that The Word of God is not God's Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit of God is not a person, therefore it could never become flesh. Also we have in Rev. 19:13-16.
The Word of God has a robe on dipped in blood. And in verse 16 He is KING OF KINS AND LORD OF LORDS. The Holy Spirit is part of God, just like it is in us, you cannot see it, it is like the wind….according to Jesus….in Math. He was saying this to Nicodemus….Jesus will come back as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, and He will strike the nations with the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Rev . 19:15…..
Peace Irene

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