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  • #218334
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 01 2010,10:13)
    Hi Gene,

    First you say…

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    And every spirit that confeses (NOT) that Jesus Chrsit is come (in the flesh) is (NOT) of GOD: And this (IS) that spirit of (ANTICHRIST), whereof ye have heard that it should come; and  even (NOW) already (IS) in the world.

    And in the next breath you say exactly what you claim the spirit of antichrist is…

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    Just as He says He is, and will Be when he returns also.

    It is you that needs to wake up; Gene! (Ephesians 5:14)
    Just as John says he is, is what you profess is to come!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ………..Only you could et that mixed up that way. Do you even Know what Sprint is (it is the intellect) the thinking of someone who is a Antichrist and that can be anyone. Antichrist is not an individual person it is a (SPIRIT (INTELLECT) anyone who holds to those false teaching are Antichrists. Antichrist is a teaching a doctrine about Jesus.

    Me say just as Jesus was he will return has nothing to do with me say Jesus is the Antichrist as you mouth off.

    Twisting what people are saying is one of you main tatics i have noticed here many times or maybe it just the way your mind thinks.

    gene

    #218335
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 01 2010,13:25)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 01 2010,13:28)
    Terricca………..Prob;em is you give your opinion as to what is being said so do all others, to say you don't is a LIE itself. IMO

    peace and love………………..gene


    gene

    this is your way of not responding to questions,

    we got the picture

    Pierre


    perrie……………….I highely doubt you get any picture, you seem to be only good at accusing others who disagree with you and then rattle off a load of scriptures that have nothing to do with the subject being discussed. IMO

    gene

    #218343
    JustAskin
    Participant

    Gene,
    When Scriptures says that “Jesus is to come” as in 'He that doth not believe', would you say that the wording is wrong, that it should say, 'Jesus is to be born'?

    In other words, you believe Jesus only existed when he was born therefore he cannot 'come', or else, where did he come FROM?

    He that was 'sent' has now 'come'.
    He that was foreknown is now 'born'.
    Which is correct?
    Or write me your own version to explain.

    #218354
    Baker
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 01 2010,12:21)

    Quote (Baker @ Oct. 01 2010,11:52)

    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 01 2010,10:13)
    Hi Gene,

    First you say…

    Quote
    And every spirit that confeses (NOT) that Jesus Chrsit is come (in the flesh) is (NOT) of GOD: And this (IS) that spirit of (ANTICHRIST), whereof ye have heard that it should come; and  even (NOW) already (IS) in the world.

    And in the next breath you say exactly what you claim the spirit of antichrist is…

    Quote
    Just as He says He is, and will Be when he returns also.

    It is you that needs to wake up; Gene! (Ephesians 5:14)
    Just as John says he is, is what you profess is to come!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed!  The Word of God became flesh in John1:14 and Rev. 19:13He is The Word of God, who had a robe on dipped in blood and His name is The Word of God.  
    Rev19:16 The Word of God is also called KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.  NOW IF YOU KNOW ANY OTHER BEING THAT FITS THAT SCRIPTURE LET ME KNOW.  I have not found one….. It is not God's Holy Spirit, that I know for certain….
    Also read the other Scriptures in Rev, 19 they show that it is who was Jesus and He was The Word of God., and will come as The Word of God……….Peace Irene


    Hi Irene,

    Do you think by Posting this same Post over
    and over, it will somehow turn into truth?
    I've seen you Post this over ten times!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed! Saying that I post over an over the same Scriptures is wrong, makes me wonder why you deny them. Sometimes that is what I have to do before it sinks in. With some it never sinks in, and because of it I will not post to that person about that subject ever again. You have denied those Scripture that I have given and so for me, you are not any better then Gene, Jodi and Martian…… Have a nice life and one day you will have to except it, or pay the consequences.
    Good luck to you, you need it….Irene

    #218367
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Baker @ Oct. 02 2010,09:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 01 2010,12:21)

    Quote (Baker @ Oct. 01 2010,11:52)

    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 01 2010,10:13)
    Hi Gene,

    First you say…

    Quote
    And every spirit that confeses (NOT) that Jesus Chrsit is come (in the flesh) is (NOT) of GOD: And this (IS) that spirit of (ANTICHRIST), whereof ye have heard that it should come; and  even (NOW) already (IS) in the world.

    And in the next breath you say exactly what you claim the spirit of antichrist is…

    Quote
    Just as He says He is, and will Be when he returns also.

    It is you that needs to wake up; Gene! (Ephesians 5:14)
    Just as John says he is, is what you profess is to come!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed!  The Word of God became flesh in John1:14 and Rev. 19:13He is The Word of God, who had a robe on dipped in blood and His name is The Word of God.  
    Rev19:16 The Word of God is also called KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.  NOW IF YOU KNOW ANY OTHER BEING THAT FITS THAT SCRIPTURE LET ME KNOW.  I have not found one….. It is not God's Holy Spirit, that I know for certain….
    Also read the other Scriptures in Rev, 19 they show that it is who was Jesus and He was The Word of God., and will come as The Word of God……….Peace Irene


    Hi Irene,

    Do you think by Posting this same Post over
    and over, it will somehow turn into truth?
    I've seen you Post this over ten times!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed!  (1)Saying that I post over an over the same Scriptures is wrong, makes me wonder why you deny them.  Sometimes that is what I have to do before it sinks in.  With some it never sinks in, and because of it I will not post to that person about that subject ever again.  (2)You have denied those Scripture that I have given and so for me, (3)you are not any better then Gene, Jodi and Martian…… (4)Have a nice life and one day you will have to except it, or pay the consequences.

    Good luck to you, you need it….Irene


    Hi Irene,

    1) First you say No (to repeating Posts) and then you say Yes?
        Just like you said you weren't going to Post to me any more,
        but here we have another Post addressed to me! (James 1:8)

    2) FALSE: I merely deny ‘the spin’ you put on the those Scriptures!
        I have told you repeatedly the correct meanings to those Scriptures!

    3) Matt.7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
        Rom.2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man(or woman),
        that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same,
        that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? (Mathew 7:2)

    4) I will NEVER have to accept ‘your errant opinions’;
        and there will be NO CONSEQUENCES for my refusal!

    Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

    #218368
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Baker @ Oct. 02 2010,09:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 01 2010,12:21)

    Quote (Baker @ Oct. 01 2010,11:52)

    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 01 2010,10:13)
    Hi Gene,

    First you say…

    Quote
    And every spirit that confeses (NOT) that Jesus Chrsit is come (in the flesh) is (NOT) of GOD: And this (IS) that spirit of (ANTICHRIST), whereof ye have heard that it should come; and  even (NOW) already (IS) in the world.

    And in the next breath you say exactly what you claim the spirit of antichrist is…

    Quote
    Just as He says He is, and will Be when he returns also.

    It is you that needs to wake up; Gene! (Ephesians 5:14)
    Just as John says he is, is what you profess is to come!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed!  The Word of God became flesh in John1:14 and Rev. 19:13He is The Word of God, who had a robe on dipped in blood and His name is The Word of God.  
    Rev19:16 The Word of God is also called KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.  NOW IF YOU KNOW ANY OTHER BEING THAT FITS THAT SCRIPTURE LET ME KNOW.  I have not found one….. It is not God's Holy Spirit, that I know for certain….
    Also read the other Scriptures in Rev, 19 they show that it is who was Jesus and He was The Word of God., and will come as The Word of God……….Peace Irene
    Hi Irene,

    Do you think by Posting this same Post over
    and over, it will somehow turn into truth?
    I've seen you Post this over ten times!

    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed!  (1)Saying that I post over an over the same Scriptures is wrong, makes me wonder why you deny them.  Sometimes that is what I have to do before it sinks in.  With some it never sinks in, and because of it I will not post to that person about that subject ever again.  (2)You have denied those Scripture that I have given and so for me, (3)you are not any better then Gene, Jodi and Martian…… (4)Have a nice life and one day you will have to except it, or pay the consequences.

    Good luck to you, you need it….Irene

    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Edit)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
    Hi Irene,

    1) First you say No (to repeating Posts) and then you say Yes?
        Just like you said you weren't going to Post to me any more,
        but here we have another Post addressed to me! (James 1:8)

    2) FALSE: I merely deny ‘the spin’ you put on the those Scriptures!
        I have told you repeatedly the correct meanings to those Scriptures!

    3) Matt.7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
        Rom.2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man(or woman),
        that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same,
        that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? (Mathew 7:2)

    4) I will NEVER have to accept ‘your errant opinions’;
        and there will be NO CONSEQUENCES for my refusal either!

    Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
    יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

    #218413
    shimmer
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 30 2010,21:25)

    Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 30 2010,20:06)
    obviously he wasnt known as Jesus before, but the word.


    Hi Shimmer,

    Why do you and others insist this is obvious?
    This is not only “not obvious”, but it is un-Biblical as well!

    If you add things up correctly, Jesus was always his name as Mike surmises!

    Rev.13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him(the antichrist),
    whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

                       The Savior(117) = God The Father(117) (Isaiah 45:21)

    Jesus’ authentic name [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă has a direct connection to GOD’s name [יה]
    in that YÄ is the first part of Jesus’ “REAL” name. GOD’s name is not vocalized
    in the English translation of the name Jesus and therefore misses the precise exactness
    and direct authentic connection to God’s Hebrew name [יה] YÄ. Jesus’ Name in Hebrew
    יהשוע means: (“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע]) the salvation of “GOD the Father”.
    Therefore, [יהשוע] “Jesus” REAL name authentically establishes [יהוה] “JEHOVAH” as the highest Name.
                                                                                                            (Psalm 83:18)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    Hi Ed,

    Are you saying Jesus's name was always Jesus ?

    Jesus..Yahshua is…Yah saves

    Are you also in agreement with the same poster, who says Jesus was always seated at God's right hand ? Or do you agree with scripture which says

    Hebrews 1:1

    In many parts, and many ways, God of old having spoken to the fathers in the prophets, in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages; who being the brightness of the glory, and the impress of His subsistence, bearing up also the all things by the saying of his might — through himself having made a cleansing of our sins, sat down at the right hand of the greatness in the highest, having become so much better than the messengers, as he did inherit a more excellent name than they.

    For to which of the messengers said He ever, `My Son thou art — I to-day have begotten thee?' and again, `I will be to him for a father, and he shall be to Me for a son?' and when again He may bring in the first-born to the world, He saith, `And let them bow before him — all messengers of God;' and unto the messengers, indeed, He saith, `Who is making His messengers spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire;' and unto the Son: `Thy throne, O God, [is] to the age of the age; a scepter of righteousness [is] the scepter of thy reign;

    #218415
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 02 2010,23:23)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 30 2010,21:25)

    Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 30 2010,20:06)
    obviously he wasnt known as Jesus before, but the word.


    Hi Shimmer,

    Why do you and others insist this is obvious?
    This is not only “not obvious”, but it is un-Biblical as well!

    If you add things up correctly, Jesus was always his name as Mike surmises!

    Rev.13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him(the antichrist),
    whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

                       The Savior(117) = God The Father(117) (Isaiah 45:21)

    Jesus’ authentic name [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă has a direct connection to GOD’s name [יה]
    in that YÄ is the first part of Jesus’ “REAL” name. GOD’s name is not vocalized
    in the English translation of the name Jesus and therefore misses the precise exactness
    and direct authentic connection to God’s Hebrew name [יה] YÄ. Jesus’ Name in Hebrew
    יהשוע means: (“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע]) the salvation of “GOD the Father”.
    Therefore, [יהשוע] “Jesus” REAL name authentically establishes [יהוה] “JEHOVAH” as the highest Name.
                                                                                                            (Psalm 83:18)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    Hi Ed,

    Are you saying Jesus's name was always Jesus ?

    Jesus..Yahshua is…Yah saves

    Are you also in agreement with the same poster, who says Jesus was always seated at God's right hand ? Or do you agree with scripture which says

    Hebrews 1:1

    In many parts, and many ways, God of old having spoken to the fathers in the prophets, in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages; who being the brightness of the glory, and the impress of His subsistence, bearing up also the all things by the saying of his might — through himself having made a cleansing of our sins, sat down at the right hand of the greatness in the highest, having become so much better than the messengers, as he did inherit a more excellent name than they.

    For to which of the messengers said He ever, `My Son thou art — I to-day have begotten thee?' and again, `I will be to him for a father, and he shall be to Me for a son?' and when again He may bring in the first-born to the world, He saith, `And let them bow before him — all messengers of God;' and unto the messengers, indeed, He saith, `Who is making His messengers spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire;' and unto the Son: `Thy throne, O God, [is] to the age of the age; a scepter of righteousness [is] the scepter of thy reign;


    Hi Shimmer,

    I'm failing to grasp what point you are trying to make?
    Could you be a little clearer please?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #218424
    kerwin
    Participant

    Shimmer,
    To answer to your question to Ed J and also to clarify it to him here is my unasked for response.

    Are you also in agreement with the same poster, who says Jesus was always seated at God's right hand? Or do you agree with scripture which says ….

    I can see that you see the rational contradiction between declaring that Jesus was always seated at God’s right hand and scripture which states he was appointed to that position since scripture cannot be broken and one is not appointed to a position they already occupy.

    I agree with scripture and not the aforementioned poster.

    #218431
    shimmer
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin, hope you are well.

    Exactly !

    Ed, as Kerwin said,

    #218434
    JustAskin
    Participant

    Kerwin, Shimmer,
    Who, may I ask, is the aforementioned poster?

    #218437
    kerwin
    Participant

    Just Askin,

    I was quoting Shimmer who did not choose to reveal their name.

    Shimmer,

    Except for the shakes I am doing well.

    #218438
    shimmer
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 03 2010,10:24)
    Shimmer,

    Except for the shakes I am doing well.

    Glad you are doing well, apart from the shakes Kerwin.

    #218443
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 03 2010,08:39)
    Hi Kerwin, hope you are well.

    Exactly !

    Ed, as Kerwin said,


    HI Shimmer,

    My point was not where he was seated, but what his name was.
    Forums like this one is a Good place to discuss differences!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #218444
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 03 2010,09:35)

    Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 03 2010,10:24)
    Shimmer,

    Except for the shakes I am doing well.

    Glad you are doing well, apart from the shakes Kerwin.


    Hi Kerwin,

    Let us all pray that the Father will also remove the shakes from brother Kerwin!

    God bless
    Ed J

    #218445
    JustAskin
    Participant

    Edj,
    It's quite simply this: His name was never mentioned.

    Don't look for it, cos it ain't there. Only Gabriel and Michael are mentioned by name.

    Satan is a title and Lucifer is an anecdotal name only.

    What was the point of the question seeing that the answer is obvious?

    Mike asked me to show where he posted unscripturally. It seems you are saying that Mike stated that Jesus was always at God's right hand, which is not Scriptural. Is this right? And, or, that 'his name' was always 'Jesus', is this right, too?

    #218449
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed J.

    What scripture are you referring to? I ask since the context that determines what name means is important and will most likely be found in taat scripture or nearby ones.

    #218450
    kerwin
    Participant

    To all,

    Thank you for your prayers.

    #218457
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 03 2010,10:40)
    Edj,
    It's quite simply this: His name was never mentioned.

    Don't look for it, cos it ain't there. Only Gabriel and Michael are mentioned by name.

    Satan is a title and Lucifer is an anecdotal name only.

    What was the point of the question seeing that the answer is obvious?

    Mike asked me to show where he posted unscripturally. It seems you are saying that Mike stated that Jesus was always at God's right hand, which is not Scriptural. Is this right? And, or, that 'his name' was always 'Jesus', is this right, too?


    Hi JustAskin,

    You can (incorrectly) read into something that I never said,
    but at the same time totally miss what Rev.13:8 is inferring?

    Rev.13:8 …the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    Jesus name in Hebrew is…

    Jesus’ authentic name [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă has a direct connection to GOD’s name [יה]
    in that YÄ is the first part of Jesus’ “REAL” name. GOD’s name is not vocalized
    in the English translation of the name Jesus and therefore misses the precise exactness
    and direct authentic connection to God’s Hebrew name [יה] YÄ. Jesus’ Name in Hebrew
    יהשוע means: (“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע]) the salvation of “GOD the Father”.
    Therefore, [יהשוע] “Jesus” REAL name authentically establishes [יהוה] “JEHOVAH” as the highest Name.
                                                                                                            (Psalm 83:18)

    The Savior(117) = God The Father(117) (Isaiah 45:21)

    Jesus dying for our sins is what his name represents,
    and this is mentioned before the world was Created!
    Add it up, Mike has realized this while you missed it!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #218458
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 03 2010,11:06)
    Ed J.

    What scripture are you referring to? I ask since the context that determines what name means is important and will most likely be found in  taat scripture or nearby ones.


    Hi Kerwin,

    Jesus' name means “YÄ is salvation” no matter where it is written!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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