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So Ps 2 revealed that the one who will come and rule in the power of God would be the Son of God.not3in1….> No i said we can become exactly like him that my HOPE, i know we are not exactly like boby wise now, but we are like him spiritually speaking , because the same spirit that is in Him is in us also, and we are being changed now to comform to the likeness of Christ. I know we havent arived yet. gene
Hi Bro Gene,
Being spiritually like Christ is something we strive for daily, but in speaking of who he is as we were……whether a biological son of God or something else, I had thought you were stressing the idea that unless he was exactly like us (fully human and the like) that we could not follow him? Forgive me, I am skimming posts as I don't have much time here this afternoon. If I misunderstood you, so sorry bro!
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 19 2007,11:11) Anything that moves Jesus identy away from our own destroys our hope of becomming exactly like him…..thanks…gene
OK, Gene, here is your quote.
I have been rushing a bit here while reading – so I apologize for not grasping what you were trying to say.Off to cook dinner.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 19 2007,11:40) not3in1….> No i said we can become exactly like him that my HOPE, i know we are not exactly like boby wise now, but we are like him spiritually speaking , because the same spirit that is in Him is in us also, and we are being changed now to comform to the likeness of Christ. I know we havent arived yet. gene
Yes but we have been forgiven of our sin so we don't actually have sin IF we walk according to the Spirit as Jesus did.Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.not3in …i was stressing his exact likeness of us (when he was hear) we must see Jesus just like we are (when he was here on earth) any type of difference takes away our exact idenity with him. that was my point, we all need to believe we can reach the full meaure of our Brother Jesus.(in time)
think we see things the same way, some times i am not as clear as i should be i gess…..thanks…geneBlessed is the man Jesus to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7[Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.David will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go
Psa 32:1 ¶ [[[A Psalm] of David, Maschil.]] Blessed [is he whose] transgression [is] forgiven, [whose] sin [is] covered.
Psa 32:2 Blessed [is] the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit [there is] no guile.
Psa 32:3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
Psa 32:4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
Psa 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
Psa 32:6 For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.
Psa 32:7 Thou [art] my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.
Psa 32:8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
Psa 32:9 Be ye not as the horse, [or] as the mule,charity
Was it possible for Jesus to commit inequity?
Lord may I hear the truth, and grasp, with all that is within me
That I don't become as the seed that heard the truth, and the wicked on came along having stolen then from my mind any remembrance of ever hearing.2Sa 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
2Sa 7:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took [it] from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
2Sa 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.Yet even he was chastened by men's rod, as we are also, that has not been approved of God, as deserved, but of man himself, as the judge of what inequity is.
Vanity of fables.charity
Quote (Jodi @ July 19 2007,08:28) Why was it necessary that Jesus grow in wisdom, why didn’t God give him all wisdom at once? The brain of Jesus was no different then any other human, just like all children, Jesus learned things over time. This is how God created us. Could He have created us differently, more then likely, yes. Could God create a righteous living being in one day, in one second, it is not for me to say, HOWEVER, it should be obvious from the bible that God did not make humans capable of that, our brains are limited. God works with us under the parameters of how He created us.
The brain of Jesus was no different? Hmmmmm, I wonder about this.How many 12 year olds do we know who preached in the temples and claimed to be about their [heavenly] Father's business?
Maybe Jesus was in the highly capable program at his school like my son is?
The question seems to have shifted from what is Jesus to that of concern that if Jesus is anything other-than what we are, we cannot follow him? I'm not sure I agree with this.
Certainly Jesus' mind must have been a bit more advanced than those of the simple fishermen he called? For they exclaimed that Jesus “knew all things.”
Hi not3,
No superbrain. He too had to be transformed by renewing of his mind according to what is written by the inspiration of the Spirit.
Now we aspire to the mind of ChristHi not3,
Jesus was excited when Peter too was found to be a stone ready to be laid beside the foundation stone because what came from his mouth was what his heart was full of, the words from the living Spirit of God.
” Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God”not3in1….>it's not just about fellowship it's idenity do we idenify with him. if we seperate Jesus in anyway from us we are pushing him away mentally and you can not have true fellowship that way. peace sis….gene
Quote Jesus would need the other half of the chromosomes from a sperm, after all that is what a sperm is, the second half of the complex components, which when combined with an egg, creates a human being.
You have it right, Jodi. The amount of chromosomes would be contributed from both sides to make a being; this is true conception. What would be born out of a union between God and Mary? The answer as I see it – a divine man.Man + Man = Man
God + Man = Divine ManThis is true conception we are talking about. God uses conception as a model for us to understand what is being born. If we understand how babies are conceived and born, then we can understand a lot about who and what Jesus is.
Quote I believe the bible to be clear in that there is only one God, no one else has been or ever will be one of His Kind, or for that matter be part of His Kind.
I also believe there is only one God. I also believe the scriptures when they say that God will not share his glory [that is; the glory of being God] with another. Jesus is not God, I think we both agree on this point. However, Jesus is God's Son. There is no where in scripture that I am aware of that prohibits God from becoming a Father and having one who is “part of his kind.”Jesus is the exact representation of God. He is the radiance of God. He is like image of God. It's not such a stretch to say that he is born of the uncoruptable seed of God. And not born of God like we are – but he was actually conceived by God!
Quote We on the other hand, were MADE to reproduce more of our kind. Jesus is fully our KIND, not part us and part God. I do not think that a sperm could in anyway be a literal part, or replication of God.
Jesus is a man (male gender, hair, eyeballs, arms, legs, flesh and blood, other necessities for malehood and so on), however God provided what was needed to conceive Jesus. Because we are conceived with both sperm and egg, it is logical to assume that God provided the sperm since Mary had the egg covered. Why limit God? Why not just believe that Jesus is the Son of God? Why not assume that because God chose to use the natural and earthly process of conception/pregnancy/birth to reveal his Son to mankind, that he also partook in what it means to be a true Father? He created the “system” of procreation, this is true; however, how else do you think he could become a true Father? Just bring someone into the world? He could have. He could have just had a man appear from heaven, if he wanted to. But he chose our system – the system he created – to bring his Son to us.Should we think that because he chose our system that the system works differently for him? We could think that, but why would we? If God wanted us to think differently about Jesus' conception and birth, he would have told us, imo.
Quote The DNA which God supplied to Mary to fertilize her egg was human DNA. The material to make Jesus was the same material used to make us, the only difference is that part of his material did not come from ancestry. Jesus was, in part similar to Adam in the fact that Adam’s genes did not come from previous existing DNA. All of Adam’s genes came directly from God through a design which God created, whereas, half of the genes in Jesus came directly from God.
It seems to me that you are wanting to believe two different ideas here; one, that Jesus is no different from us and the “material” used to conceive Jesus is the same material used to conceive any person, and two, that Jesus received half of his genes from God. Which do you believe?Quote Adam and Jesus were both begotten by God.
Scripture tells us that Jesus is the ONLY begotten of God. What do you think the difference is? Adam was created, but Jesus was born.Quote Like I previously stated, I do not believe that it was in how Jesus was conceived, that made him God’s only begotten son.
Then why did God go to all the trouble to find a willing virgin? Why the virgin birth – no significance there?Jody says, “If Jesus was given some different CODE in his being, then he wouldn’t be like us, and he wouldn’t have been able to overcome and wash away our sins. As well, knowing he was fully like us, makes us believe that we can truly follow him.”
The children had flesh and blood and so Jesus partook of our likeness [note scripture says Jesus was made like us as to our flesh and blood, but never says we are exactly like Jesus in every way].
God has “qualified” us to be adopted through Jesus Christ. One adopts after their own “kind,” right? God could not adopt us as his true children because he is Spirit only. Jesus is both Son of Man AND Son of God. We are now “qualified” to be adopted and receive an inheritance along with Jesus; in fact, we are co-heirs with Christ.
Jesus had made one man out of two (the Jew and Gentile), but also ponder this; Jesus has made us acceptable to God and able to be adopted by making one man out of two (Spirit and flesh). I suppose this idea is why I find it so necessary to believe that Jesus is a divine man – the true Son of God. Without this belief, I'm wondering if it is possible for God to adopt us as his very own? Thoughts?
me think jesus has always been,so have we,jesus said he could only do the things he saw the father do,when did he see,we all saw for we all came out from him,we just forgot as we got into the vanities of this world,for we were born into sin and quickly forgot the father,where jesus only had god as father was not born into sin for the father has no sin,therefore he dident forget the father and all he had seen him do,he did likewise.in 1999 god gave my wife ,childern and me a many visions for days,any way me will tell just a little bit of when god lowered himself to come down and sup with us,god was above us he filled the whole sky,we were praiseing him,and then it started to sprinkel rain drops,we were getting wet,so we jumped in the car where it would be dry and the sprinkleing spoped,but then we heard a noise kind of like a poping sound it was a melowdy the most beautiful praise me have ever heard me said to my wife where is that comeing from,well it was the EARTH PRAISEING GOD, where he had put his name,it was awsome the song could not be duplicated for it was so pure my heart shook,me and my wife looked at each other and said, if you will not praise me even the rocks will and they did ,so we jumped out of the car and onto our neese praiseing god dident mind a few sprinkles any more,then god started sending these little translosent lights down to the earth and when they hit the earth turned green,where it was brown desert before,this was after he had taken the spirits out of the earth for the judgement we watched,that was very strange because when he took them out of the earth there was left a discolored imprint of where the bodys used to be,after renewing the earth we were still looking up to him,and his womb kept growing until it was as big as god,it started looking like the form of man and it was jesus takeing up the whole sky with huge spikes of light comming out of his head like a crown of glory,and we praised jesus and god for showing us his son,for jesus swowed me god,he swowed us many other things,the strange thing is it was not a vision me dont think ,for before we went home,me cut of some of the green branches for a wittness to our testamony,any how when we got home,ther were birds flying over our house in a pattern me never saw before, they were makeing the infinity sighn by flying in a figure 8.any how me believe jesus has allway been growing in gods womb,so were we for we came out from him.
Hi not3,
Why step outside scripture and make statements about a divine man that are not found there?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 19 2007,17:03) Hi not3,
Why step outside scripture and make statements about a divine man that are not found there?
Jesus was born of God's holy spirit and Mary.Read the account for yourself in the gospels.
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