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God is a title right? for who? Our Lord.(I also done some reading on capital letters of Lord) Jesus quotes Deuteronomy 6:5 in Matthew 22:37, “Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'” Jesus used the Greek word kurios (“lord”) to translate YHWH. This is done consistently in the New Testament, which is inspired by God. Hence, God has shown us that it is proper to translate YHWH as “Lord.” The use of all capitals is a convention used by translators to indicate that YHWH is behind the word “Lord” .
In the original languages of the Bible, capitalizing pronouns referring to God was not an issue. In Hebrew, there was no such thing as upper-case and lower-case letters. There was simply an alphabet, no capital letters at all. In Greek, there were capital (upper-case) letters and lower-case letters. However, in all of the earliest copies of the Greek New Testament, the text is written in all capital letters. When God inspired the human authors of Scripture to write His Word, He did not lead them to give any special attention to pronouns that refer to Him.Katjo……..you can twist and scrum all you want , But Jesus said He was going to His GOD and Our God His Father and Our Father. Now seeing GOD is our FATHER to are we then GOD With the same power as GOD Has. Jesus said in Prayer ” FOR THO ARE THE (ONLY) (TRUE) GOD.” What part of that you do not believe. Jessu also said Father I have glorified (YOU) on the earth. and on and on it goes. Katjo you need to dump the false teachings of the TRINITY and PREEXISTENCES. Jesus did no come into a being until he was born here on earth through Mary. IMO
peace to you……………..gene
Sorry Gene!1;16 FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, THAT ARE IN HEAVEN, AND THAT ARE IN EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISABLE, WEATHER THEY BE THRONES, OR DOMINIONS, OR PRICIPALITIES, OR POWERS; ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM AND FOR HIM(17) hE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS AND BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST. You are totally ignoring scripture, Or are they contradicting each other? He is even called our Lord God(no capitals)He left that position when He came in the flesh! If the Lord is God, and God is a title, who is Lord?
Katjo……….So you then Just ignore Jesus' own words which i quoted right. So what do you do with this from Jesus' mouth “HEAR O ISREAL THE LORD OUR GOD IS (ONE) LORD., AND AGAIN “THOU SHALT HAVE (NO) OTHER GODS BESIDES ME” That was from GOD the FATHER himself. and again
Isa 43:10…..Ye are my witness, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have Chosen: that ye may know and believe me and understand that i am he: before me there was (NO) God formed, neither shall there be (AFTER) me.
Isa 44:6 ..> Thus saith the LORD the KING of Is real, and his Redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and besides ME there is (NO) GOD.
Isa 44:8 …> Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not i told thee from that time, and declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a GOD besides me? yea there is (NO) GOD; I Know (NOT ANY).
Isa 45: 18….> for thus saith the LORD tha (CREATED) the heavens; God (HIMSEF) formed the earth and MADE it; he has established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is (NONE) else.
Isa 45: 21 Tell ye and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared the from ancient time? have not I the LORD? and ther is (NO) God else beside me: a just GOD and a Savior: there is none beside me. 22…> Look unto (ME) and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth for i am GOD and there is (NONE ELSE).
Isa 44:24…> Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that makes (ALL THINGS); that stretched forth the heavens (ALONE) the spreadeth abroad the earth (BY MYSELF)>
Now Katjo …….what part of those scriptures you don't understand they are clear and absolute, what you have posted can be taken many ways and is iffy at best. IMO
peace and love ………………….gene
2Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The lord our God is one. Jesus is Lord!
Katjo……….Be like the Bareans were, they searched the scriptures to see what they were told was true or not, and the scriptures they searched was in the First Testament or Old Testament . Now be like them and see if these false concepts of Trinity and Preexistences would have convinced them. I know it is not easy to change ones views, But you need to understand we all have been feed a lot of false teachings by the APOSTATE CHURCHES, We need to come out of Her. Jesus was not, is not or ever was a TRUE GOD, He is a human being (exactly) as we are without any exceptions He is one of US completely, and was never anything else. Identify yourself with Jesus and rejoice with the understanding that what GOD did for and through Him He can also do for and through US. Do not seperate Jesus from your likeness by the FALSE TEACHINGS of The Trinity and Preexistences. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Gene, Than why is He called our Lord God? why does He say He will be our God and we will be His Son? So Jesus is just a human being like us and that is it huh? Can we accomplish what He did? I dont think so. So Doesnt sound like you have much of a relationship with Him. Read my post on IS JESUS GOD.
Katjo………. He is only called the LORD our GOD by TRINITARIANS. Did Jesus not say greater work His disciples would do then He > I never Heard where GOD made a statement like that Have you? And by the way Jesus said He was the (SON) of GOD. Not that HE was GOD HIMSELF.
The problem we are having here is you are falling to acknowledge the Scriptures i have quote , Your failure to deal with them shows you refusal to accept the truth written in scripture. IMOpeace and love……………gene
Quote (katjo @ Nov. 19 2009,05:49) The lord our God is one. Jesus is Lord!
You are correct that God is the the only God and that Jesus is the King he placed on the throne of David. I am glad you have given up that foolish polytheism that Satan inserted the church so long ago.No Gene. Im not ignoring your scriptures. I think your ignoring mine. You cant just pick out one scripture here and there, which is what is done here, you have got to study the lod and new testament to see who Jesus really is. And Jesus is Lord, and there is scripture that says He will be our God and we will be His sons.If your one who believes capital LORD is for GOD and Lord is for Jesus than why is there scripture that show Lord god? No capitals?
Hi KAT,
Jesus taught us to pray to our Father in heaven.
But do you think he was just tricking and he is that God?Read my post on “Is Jesus God” about capital letters. We know who is coming at the end- and he is KING OF KING AND LORD OF LORDS. even in the Old Testament Isiah 25;8 He will swallow up death in victory , and the Lord God (no capitals) will wipe away tears from off our faces; (9)And it shall be said in that day lo,THIS IS OUR GOD; we have waited for him and he will save us; this is the LORD; we have waited for Him, we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation. I am not saying there is two, three Gods, there is ONE LORD GOD!! Who created, came in the flesh to pay for our sins, ascended back to heaven,to the glory He had before the world was and is coming again!
katjoQuote (katjo @ Nov. 20 2009,11:57) Read my post on “Is Jesus God” about capital letters. We know who is coming at the end- and he is KING OF KING AND LORD OF LORDS. even in the Old Testament Isiah 25;8 He will swallow up death in victory , and the Lord God (no capitals) will wipe away tears from off our faces; (9)And it shall be said in that day lo,THIS IS OUR GOD; we have waited for him and he will save us; this is the LORD; we have waited for Him, we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation. I am not saying there is two, three Gods, there is ONE LORD GOD!! Who created, came in the flesh to pay for our sins, ascended back to heaven,to the glory He had before the world was and is coming again!
katjo
Who was running things in the universe when he was down here?Why did he say he was sent?
This might help explain. It is long, but please read. the scriptures are there. The great truth revealed in the New Testament is that the eternal God became one of us; He became a human being.
And the word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth (John 1:14).
The Apostle Paul echoes John's thoughts:
Who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of humanity (Philippians 2:6,7).
The Incarnation Of Jesus Christ
God became a human in Jesus Christ. This is known as the “incarnation.” Incarnation is from the Latin meaning “in flesh.” Although it is not a biblical word it presents a biblical truth. Jesus is the eternal God who became flesh and blood. Jesus became a man at a point in time in history. He did so without giving up His oneness with God. He became a human being without a sin nature. “In flesh” means more than Jesus had a physical body – He was a complete human personality.
Jesus Took On A New Nature
By the incarnation we do not mean that God was turned into a human or that Jesus ceased to be God while he was a man. The incarnation means that while remaining God, Jesus took upon a new nature – a human nature. The incarnation was the uniting the divine and the human into one being, one person. Jesus Christ was fully God and fully human.
Jesus Laid Aside His Heavenly Glory
In becoming a human being Jesus laid aside His heavenly glory to live among us. The question is, why did He do it? The Scriptures give us several reasons why Jesus came to earth.
1. He Wanted To Further Reveal God To Humanity
The first and foremost reason was to give a further revelation of God to humanity. If you wish to know what God is like you need go no further than to look at Jesus. The Bible says.
No one has ever seen God, but God the one and only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known (John 1:18).
This verse teaches that Jesus explained God to humanity. We need no longer wonder what God is like; Jesus shows us. Jesus Himself said.
Jesus answered: “Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father'”(John 14:9).
Jesus Did This By Both Words And Deeds
Jesus claimed that God guided both his words and deeds.
Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these” (John 5:19,20).
Jesus said.
But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father (John 10:38).
Jesus' work of reaching out to the vilest of sinners revealed the heart of God the Father. Those who criticized his work among the worst sinners revealed their lack of understanding with God's desires.
The Old Testament Revelation Is Incomplete
While God revealed Himself to humankind in the Old Testament the revelation was incomplete. There were a number of things that waited till God Himself came to earth in the Person of Jesus Christ. Thus Jesus revealed God to humanity in a personal way.
2. Jesus Came To Fulfill God's Promises To Certain People
God made a number of promises to people like Adam, Noah, Abraham, and David.
Adam
To Adam He was the promised Messiah – the seed of the woman
And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise you on the head, and you shall bruise him on the heel (Genesis 3:15).
Abraham
To Abraham Jesus was his one descendant who would bless the world.
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you (Genesis 12:3).
David
To David Jesus was the promised King that would come from His family.
When your days are complete and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your descendant after you, who will come forth from you, and I will establish his kingdom (2 Samuel 7:12).
The coming of Jesus fulfilled this promise. The angel said to Mary.
You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end (Luke 1:31-33).
Jesus Came To Bring Salvation To All Humanity
The covenants He made with them promised salvation for both Israel and the Gentiles. With the coming of Jesus to the world, these promises were fulfilled.
For I say that Christ has become a servant to the circumcision on behalf of the truth of God to confirm the promises given to the fathers, and for the Gentiles to glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, “Therefore I will give praise to you among the Gentiles, and I will sing to your name” (Romans 15:8,9).
3. Jesus Came To Fulfill The Law Of Moses
Jesus also came to fulfill the Law of Moses. Jesus said.
Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17,18).
By living a perfect life here upon the earth Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the Law in every respect.
4. Jesus Came To Die For The Sins Of The World
When sin entered the world God instituted the concept of substitutionary sacrifice where God required the sacrifice to die. However the sacrifices of animals could not take away sin. Neither would the death of an ordinary human being be satisfactory to take away sin. What was needed was the perfect sacrifice. This was accomplished with God becoming a human being. Christ's coming was to die on the cross for the sins of the world. When Christ came He sacrificed Himself on Calvary's cross. Jesus Himself testified.
Just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many (Matthew 20:28).
His death on the cross has paid the penalty for ours sins. He died in our place so that we do not have to suffer eternally for our misdeeds.
The Bible says.
God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the ministry of reconciliation . . . he made him sin for us that we may be made the righteousness of God in him (2 Corinthians 5:19,21).
Jesus Christ came into the world to become humanity's Savior. Without His coming humanity would not have a Savior.
5.Jesus Came To Bring In A New Covenant
Jesus not only fulfilled the promises of the old covenant, His coming brought a new covenant into existence.
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins” (Matthew 26:26-28).
6. Jesus Came To Destroy The Works Of The Devil
His coming also was to destroy the works of the devil and the hold he has had over humanity.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8).
Jesus' death on the cross frees us from the power of sin. The devil no longer has any right to control us because Christ has given us the freedom to choose not to sin.
7. Jesus Came To Judge The World Righteously
Jesus came to be a righteous judge of humanity. Scripture says that it is He who will
judge the world.
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son (John 5:22).
Jesus also said.
And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man (John 5:27).
He is qualified to judge humanity because He became a human being. Since He has lived as a human being His judgment will always be righteous and fair.
8. Jesus Came To Sympathize With Believers As The Great High Priest
Because Jesus, the God-man, lived here upon the earth and experienced the limitations of being a human being, He is able to sympathize with the problems and concerns that humans face. The Bible says.
Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are – yet was without sin. Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need (Hebrews 4:14-16).
9. Jesus Came To Be An Example For Believers
Jesus also came to provide an example for the believer on how to live one's life. When a person puts his faith in Christ he has an example to follow. Jesus lived the perfect life as the perfect man with faith in His Father. Hence we are told, “to walk just as He walked” (1 John 2:6). Peter said.
To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps (1 Peter 2:21).
Jesus Christ provides the pattern of how believers should live.
10. Jesus Came To Prepare Humanity For A Heavenly Destiny
Finally, Jesus came to earth to prepare humanity for their heavenly destiny. The Son of God became a human so that human beings could eventually be fitted with a new nature – a perfect one. One day we shall be like him.
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is (1 John 3:2).
We shall have a body like his.
Who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body (Philippians 3:21).
Believers who have borne the image of the earthly man Adam will also bear the image of the heavenly man – Jesus. Paul wrote.
The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven (1 Corinthians 15:47,48).
The thing that hindered this from happening was sin.
Summary
The incarnation means that the eternal God became a human being. When the Bible speaks about Jesus coming in the flesh it means that He had a complete, sinless human nature.
The coming of Jesus Christ into the world was for the following reasons. Jesus came to provide a further revelation of God. The Old Testament was incomplete and the coming of Christ completed God's revelation. Jesus also came to fulfill promises to individuals. The Old Testament records promises made to a number of individuals that were fulfilled in Jesus. Jesus also came to fulfill the Law of Moses – He perfectly kept the commandments of the Law. Jesus also came to be the sacrifice for the sins of the world. Because He lived a sinless life He could sacrifice Himself. The coming of Christ not only fulfilled the old covenant, it also brought a new covenant into affect. Christ's coming was also to destroy the works of the devil. Christ also became an example for believers. His perfect life sets the standard. Finally, Jesus coming has prepared the way for believers to receive their new body – one without sin.Quote (Gene @ Nov. 19 2009,15:21) Katjo………. He is only called the LORD our GOD by TRINITARIANS. Did Jesus not say greater work His disciples would do then He > I never Heard where GOD made a statement like that Have you? And by the way Jesus said He was the (SON) of GOD. Not that HE was GOD HIMSELF.
The problem we are having here is you are falling to acknowledge the Scriptures i have quote , Your failure to deal with them shows you refusal to accept the truth written in scripture. IMOpeace and love……………gene
Gene! Hello I am back, as far as God is concerned in Hebrew 1:8 But to the Son He says:” Your Throne O God is forever and ever.
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your Kingdom.
verse 9
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God your God has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more then Your companions.
And also in
John 1:1
If you understand that God is a title, it makes it easy to understand the rest. We know that God the Father is above all in
Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Peace and Love Irene
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