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Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 03 2007,18:46) [Certainly He could use this mechanism to become flesh and make His dwelling among us (John 1:14). Nothing is impossible for YHWH.
This is a new one on me, Isaiah, I've never heard Mary referred to as a “mechanism” before!
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,18:51) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,18:38) Not3. How does the Unitarians explain this scripture?
I don't know? Ask a Unitarian!
not3BTW. Why did you delete the scripture out of your post?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,18:52) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,18:51) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,18:38) Not3. How does the Unitarians explain this scripture?
I don't know? Ask a Unitarian!
not3Then what is your take on it?
WJ, I was just kidd'en ya…… I don't know if I'm a “Unitarian” or not? Since I have joined HeavenNet, all I'm really sure of is that I am female! Um, as far as that scripture goes, I have heard that it *could* point to Jesus' future resurrection. Meaning, would the disciples be shocked if he went down to the grave and came back up to earth. I've heard other explainations for that verse, too.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,18:53) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,18:51) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,18:38) Not3. How does the Unitarians explain this scripture?
I don't know? Ask a Unitarian!
not3BTW. Why did you delete the scripture out of your post?
I'm not sure? It wasn't intentional, sometimes I cut a post so that it's shorter for ease of responding. I cut exactly what I am responding to. I was responding to the “Unitarian” comment, and so I cut the other. No big deal – right? We disect posts all the time here.1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Rom 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
, Isa 53:10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.just what ever???…Helps
a …RESURRECTION OF life…if you dont wish to allow your mind to Jump from subject King David, too christ you may consider a resurrection to take part in..Act 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Be it known unto you therefore, men [and] brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:The first King saw corruption, and the second King saw no corruption,
Quote This is a new one on me, Isaiah, I've never heard Mary referred to as a “mechanism” before!
He he…I was referring to the conception.Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,19:07) Yes! Charity, it helps. Jesus is God's offspring.
Take it literally if you wish – I do!
Hey…whom did God predestinate, to be conformed to the Image of the Son, Conformed to the Image,
Rom 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.Not3, you must admit that when it come to matters concerning the pre-existence issue you do defer to Biblical Unitarian's website….
Quote (charity @ July 03 2007,19:15) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,19:07) Yes! Charity, it helps. Jesus is God's offspring.
Take it literally if you wish – I do!
Hey…whom did God predestinate, to be conformed to the Image of the Son, Conformed to the Image,
Rom 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
His Son whom he foreknew…….We were also foreknown.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 03 2007,19:18) Not3, you must admit that when it come to matters concerning the pre-existence issue you do defer to Biblical Unitarian's website….
I do admit it. I actually don't refer to their website, but I have their book, “One God and One Lord.”I also refer to Buzzard, Dana, Lutzer, Swindoll, C.S. Lewis, Dwyer, Wierwille (oh dear) and so many others……
It can't be a secret that I am trying to define my beliefs here. I have studied on my own for nearly 4 years and believe that God has revealed himself to me in a mighty way. I am not the sharpest tack in the bunch, but I am persistent. Sometimes I think that God showed me who he was simply because I wouldn't give up.
Who do you refer to often? Who are your favorites?
Oh, I've got to head to bed Isaiah…….my typing is starting to get really bad. Ha! I'm correcting more than I'm getting right.
I left a post on the Holy Spirit thread for you, Isaiah. I'll answer in the morning, OK?
Goodnight,
MandyQuote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,18:57) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,18:52) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2007,18:51) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2007,18:38) Not3. How does the Unitarians explain this scripture?
I don't know? Ask a Unitarian!
not3Then what is your take on it?
WJ, I was just kidd'en ya…… I don't know if I'm a “Unitarian” or not? Since I have joined HeavenNet, all I'm really sure of is that I am female! Um, as far as that scripture goes, I have heard that it *could* point to Jesus' future resurrection. Meaning, would the disciples be shocked if he went down to the grave and came back up to earth. I've heard other explainations for that verse, too.
All those books written by men are misleading. Each person through the power of the Spirit of Elohim is given understanding according to what they need to hear from Him at any given time. When we force feed ourselves other peoples interpretaions who we don't know personally or speak to personally, how can we be sure they are in fact themselves saved, or are they teaching from some doctrine handed to them on a piece of paper called a degree, they they earned in cemetary oops seminary. I think most teachers of today do this, otherwise the churches would be full of content people on a mission to love one another and they would only have one question. When is He returning for us? That is not what I see in the world today, so therefore the majority of what we learn in church is a shallow interpretation by men who have no idea themselves what they are teaching. Example: A sunday pastor this Pentecost (Feast of Weeks) said, “I do not understand the trinity, all we know is that it exists, and we believe it.” WOW, I would not ever teach something I didn't understand myself. EVIL
Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 03 2007,18:46) Not3in1,July wrote:Hi Isaiah – how are you How do you know everything else was status quo? I would think such a unique conception would produce an ESPECIALLY unique individual. Also, as I've mentioned to you before I don't see how the conception and birth of Yeshua is any kind of invalidation of His pre-existence. Certainly He could use this mechanism to become flesh and make His dwelling among us (John 1:14). Nothing is impossible for YHWH.
isa1:18 > tell me this, was Jeremiah's birth an act of God, and was he FORMED in his mother womb by God himself?, Did he then Prexist. It plainly say's ” in Jer 1:5, “before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.because God pre ordained him he did preexist but who was it not in the plan or will of God ONLY.
I have brought this up two or three times and you trenitarians have not answered the questions,
what did Peter mean when he said “He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, (BUT) was (MANIFEST) in these last times for you.”
interesting, Jeremiah was preordained but did not actually exist till he was Born and could this also not be the case with Jesus.
you and worshiping Jesus seen to skirt these question as well as others , a true trenitarian brain wash job.
Gene.I'm sorry to repeat this but somehow people keep putting son in the place of the Word.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
In the beginning was God's Word and the Word was with God and the Word coming from God, was God.
The Word was in the beginning with God.
In the Word was life. God spoke and created angels, creatures etc. Through the Word God created life.
The Word became flesh. When God thought Jesus spoke the Word. Just as the Word did in heaven.
Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Does the words come out from you when you speak? Jesus said He came OUT from the Father.Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Sounds like God's WORD to me! “The words that I speak (the Son of man) I speak not of myself (the Son of man) but the Father (His Word that was in the beginning with God and was God) that dwells in me (the Son of man) HE speaks the words.How did the word that became flesh humble himself?
Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Phi 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
How was the Word in the form of God? Remember their is no son in John1:1 only the Word. The Word became flesh and in the form of God. Aren't we created in the Form/Image of God. Of course the Word of God coming from God was different. Being part of God and now in the form of God “thought it not robbery to be equal with God”.Phi 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phi 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Fashion:
G4976
σχῆμα
schēma
skhay'-mah
From the alternate of G2192; a figure (as a mode or circumstance), that is, (by implication) external condition: – fashion.And being found in the fashion (CIRCUMSTANCE) as we are (man) He humbled Himself. The Word of God now flesh BUT still part of God being the Word humbled Himself by putting Himself in the same Circumstance as man.
Now the begotten Son of God and the Son of man just as those who are born again like you and I! Are you a son of man and son of God? Are we not to follow Christ? The Word (part of God) became flesh humbled Himself became under the same circumstances as man BUT did not sin (break the law of God) Jesus was the only human who had the Law written in His heart at that time. But now we also have the law written on our heart and thus have no excuse. We are The Word/Jesus' brethren, at least I am, but if you continue to believe that only Jesus could do the works of the Father then what good are you to God?! To sit and argue and do nothing because Satan has convencened you that Jesus was supernatural. Jesus was the SON OF MAN that's who Jesus was! It was the Word in Jesus that made Him the Son of God. Because of Jesus' sacrifice we are as HE was on earth IF YOU BELIEVE. Peter walked on water until he remembered he was just a man! Oh ye of little faith.
Go ahead throw the stones and firey darts I have my armour on!
IHN&L,
Ken
Quote (kenrch @ July 04 2007,06:28) John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
I'll explain this in segments…“In the beginning was the Word,”
*Word refering to the Son.
“and the Word was with God”
*Meaning that God the Father knew before hand that mankind would sin and be in need of a Savior. Also, the Father and Son were always one but the “position of power” granted Jesus to be seated at God's right hand was made clear in Ephesians. Only after his sacrifice, was he worthy to be 100% like God the Father.
“and the Word was God.”
* God the Father and Jesus were always one but did not always share the same position and power, until the seating at God the Father's right hand.
*True?
Quote (acertainchap @ July 04 2007,08:10) Only after his sacrifice, was he worthy to be 100% like God the Father.
Jesus is still in service to God in heaven. The Father is STILL the God of Jesus. Let's not forget, too, that Jesus is at the right hand of God (being a “second” usually denotes the second in “power” – kinda like a Vice President). Would a Jesus that is thus described, also be 100% God?kenrch..> your post July o4,2007, 06:28
very good, it's incouraging to see post like your's i enjoy brethern who have a good sense of scripture, and agree with most of your post's.
may God continue to bless you the knowledge of his word's…:)
peace to you..gene.
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