Preexistence

[Not3in1]

WJ,
Is “eye for an eye” part of the fruit of the Spirit?

[NickHassan]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 05 2008,11:10)

Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2008,10:59) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 04 2008,15:59) Beget = produce offspring as a father. Father = male parent, God, originator. Offspring = one coming into being through reproduction. So, begettal does not mean that he is derived directly and solely from God. For we know that to produce offspring, you not only need the “male” parent, but you also need the “female” parent.  Otherwise, it is not a “begettal” at all, it would be creation, and we both agree that Jesus wasn't created. The “how” God beget Jesus before he was born would be a good thing to pin down.  Words have meaning and I don't believe we should change their meanings. Hi Mandy, Are you not aware that asexual reproduction only takes one parent?  Do you think that would be impossible for God to asexually reproduce?  If an offspring is produced from one parent asexually then he was born/begotten from one parent. Take care, LU Hi Kathi, Humans do not asexually reproduce. Look at the definition for offspring.   Remember that Jesus was born human.  He had a human mother and a divine father.  What would this produce?

Hi not3,
A man in this case
according to scripture

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 05 2008,11:15)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 05 2008,09:56) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,09:43) Hi not3, No problem. So long as the Word remains the definition of truth. We do not attain to the wisdom of God and insecurity should not make us seek to do so. NH Amen! Keep praying for these lying Unitarians. They are blind in one eye and cant see out of the other. God has chosen us to see that Yeshua is from heaven and not of this earth. To believe such lies that he did not preexist is to be antichrist. Some day God will show them that what the believe is pure ignorance. testing What are you “testing”?   How to be a jerk?

Mandy

I was wondering how long it would take you to respond.

No that is not me, I dont pass judgment on a persons integrity.

I just wanted to show how such talk looks on the other side of the fence. Yet no one calls out this kind of talk.

I believe that believers should not treat other believers this way especially on a forum like this where others may be watching.

None of us have all truth, nor is our doctrines perfect. we should respect each other.

Love and blessings Keith!

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 05 2008,11:16)

WJ, Is “eye for an eye” part of the fruit of the Spirit?

Mandy

I think I have turned the other cheek here quite a bit, I am not perfect though!

Almost!

Blessings!

[Lightenup]

Mandy,
When I speak of asexual reproduction, I am referring to the reproduction of God to form the begotten God before the foundation of the world. I am not referring to Mary's conception.
Kathi

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
And the God begotten angels whom we will become like.

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 05 2008,11:25)

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 05 2008,11:16) WJ, Is “eye for an eye” part of the fruit of the Spirit? Mandy I think I have turned the other cheek here quite a bit, I am not perfect though! Almost!   Blessings!

Hi bro,

I knew exactly what you were doing……. It did sound pretty nasty coming from your mouth! It seems we do tolerate it from other's, don't we? Well, it appears that we do (I myself have sent many PM's to various ones encouraging the way of love).

You know Keith, even though you are treated poorly the important thing is that you do not give it back. That has earned you the respect of many, including myself. Don't think that other's are blind to what is happening – we are not.

Anyway, you've made an excellent point and I hope that those who are being too harsh will see it. And they will pray about it and make some changes. Meanwhile, you stand firm bro. Have courage and fight the good fight. Put on the full armour of God and when you have done everything you can, then stand. STAND!

Much love and respect,
Mandy

[Not3in1]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2008,11:25)

Mandy, When I speak of asexual reproduction, I am referring to the reproduction of God to form the begotten God before the foundation of the world.  I am not referring to Mary's conception. Kathi

Hi Kathi,

I know what you were referring to, but in my opinion you cannot seperate Jesus from his conception. To do so is to go a bit out of bounds of scripture into inference and personal revelations……

The gospels speak of Jesus' entry into the world through conception. However they do not speak of his former life as a begotten God. Why do you think they left that part out?

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,11:43)

Hi LU, And the God begotten angels whom we will become like.

Angels are merely messengers to those who will inherit salvation.

We will be adopted as TRUE son's and daughter's of God. There is a huge difference there.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3
You say
“The gospels speak of Jesus' entry into the world through conception. “
Where exactly does it say this?

[942767]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 05 2008,02:35)

Quote (942767 @ June 04 2008,19:44) Hi: I would like to ask the following question and that is can the word “monogenes” as used in John 1:18 be translated “unique” rather than “only begotten”?  If so, then that scripture would read the unique God who is in the “bosom of the Father” he hath declared Him. Hi 94 In a response I made earlier to LU, I think was a reply to you from her, I explain this Here. NH is right, keeping in mind he was called “Unique” after he came in the flesh. Blessings!

Hi Nick and WJ:

Thanks for giving me your understanding relative to my question.  I am having a hard time with the term “begotten God”.  I know Jesus is God in that he is the express image of God's person, but no, someone will have me to convince me that the scripture should be “begotten God” in order for me to accept that.

Also, the scripture reads present tense saying “is in the bosom of the Father” not “was in the bosom of the Father”, and the NLT has a footnote that some manuscripts read: “his one and only Son”, and so, if some manuscripts read as the latter I will have to be inclined to believe the latter.

Any way my prayer is that we come into unity so that we can teach God's Word in truth.

Thanks again, for your response and God Bless you and your family.

Marty

[gollamudi]

Hi 94,
Nice post my brother, any single scripture can not deviate from the overall concepts on God and Jesus it should have an internal witness. As I was mentioning no where the word “begotten God” was confirmed by either Jesus or Apostles but the the words “son of God or begotten son” are confirmed.
Please take care
Adam

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
Good point.
Though scripture is still held as true even if unprovable.

Only Matthew says a man can put aside his wife for adultery, only Paul mentions women and their hair covering.

[gollamudi]

Why are you again deviating from the subject?

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
Did God or the angels preexist?

[gollamudi]

God is eternal no beginning and no end.
Angels created beings had beginning but are immortals.
What is the relevence of the question of pre-existence to God and angels?

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
What does preexistant mean?
Pre earth?
PreGenesis?
Preconception?

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,13:35)

Hi not3 You say “The gospels speak of Jesus' entry into the world through conception. “ Where exactly does it say this?

Nick, again I point you to the gospels.

How does any human enter the world?

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Hey we do not make the rules.
if God chooses to break with tradition let Him.

[gollamudi]

You are again going into that trap called time passing with others.
We are debating on pre-existence of Jesus prior to his birth on this earth as some of you here allegedly believe.

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