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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 08 2008,04:02) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 08 2008,02:42) WJ………why not take the USS Enterprise, 
, just kidding, Have a Safe trip WJ.
GB That was good. I just realized my avatar fits.I wish I could take the Enterprise, I hate driving.
But thanks, I appreciate your comment.
Blessings!
The USS Enterprise also has a built in resurrection transporter. But I think the highest heaven is out of range.T8…….yea, wouldn't that be cool if we could simply say, beam me up lord, and we could change these old tired bodies into a powerful Spirit one. I am afraid the Father has determined that we must spend time is this form to learn things we need to learn.
peace to you and yours………..gene
Yeah.
Actually our lives on this earth is the greatest opportunity we will probably get.
Our lives here determine our next life and standing in that life.
If we are faithful, we will have a great inheritance.
This life is not even 1 second in eternity, so I think to myself to make this the best second you can.
Peace.
Good morning, Jodi.
We had a fabulous time in San Diego. We must have covered miles and miles on foot seeing all the attractions. I was surprised how well my knee help up. I endured some private pain, but nothing that a margarita at lunch didn't help along!
Quote ….you will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.” 34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” 35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. I believe this is pretty clear, by the power of the Holy Spirit, Mary will have a human son, whom Yah will CALL His Son.
Jodi, I see that you have used your bold key to hilight the emphasis which you believe supports your ideas. I can see how you get your theory. However, nowhere in these scriptures that you have quoted does it say that Jesus is a human son. That is only based on your deduction as you see it (or want to see it). Logically speaking when a man and women have a child it is human, right? Why are you asking me to ditch this logic when it comes to Jesus' birth? God is his Father, is he not?The scriptures say the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God because (drum roll please…..), because he IS the SON of God.
Quote Why will Yah call him His son, simple, because Yah foreknew that Yeshua would be sinless and gain immortality, making him the firstborn of many children.
So you believe that just because Jesus didn't sin that makes him the firstborn of many children? Being “sinless” has never been our goal. Our goal is salvation for all have fallen short of the glory of God. Paul tells us that when we sin we have a Mediator. Even Paul struggled with sin and wanting to do the right thing, but dang it all, his body followed another law at work within his members!God called Jesus his ONLY begotten Son because his holy Spirit overshadowed Mary and she conceived. This is what the scripture says.
Quote How and why was Yeshua righteous, not because he was part God, but because he was led by Yah’s Spirit. This tells us that if we allow Yah to guide our spirit we can be sisters with Christ.
We partially agree with one another here. I also believe that Jesus attributed his righteousness to his Father. He said that of himself he could do nothing – he knows nothing – he is even taught what to say by his Father! But his sonship has nothing to do with this obedience and submission.When Jesus was born, God sent angels to sing and announce the birth of his Son. He sent a star to guide worshippers. God was a proud Father. He had a boy of his own. One that would redeem the world back to himself. God sent his representative, and who better to represent him than his own Son?
If we allow God to guide us, we will indeed be adopted into the family of God on that day. We will be co-heir's with the One and Only Son of God. We will not only share in the humanity of Jesus, but then we will get to share in the divinity of Jesus for we will be like the heavenly bodies. Think about this, is Jesus merely human in heaven?
Quote Joseph thought that Mary had been unfaithful, but the angel tells him that the child did not come from another man, but from the power of the Holy Spirit.
Bingo. Jesus was not born of a man's will. Jesus had a divine father and a human mother. What would be the outcome?Quote “When thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, WHICH SHALL PROCEED OUT OF THY BOWELS, and I will establish his kingdom for ever. I WILL BE HIS FATHER, and he SHALL BE My son (2 Sam. 7:12-14).
Jodi, this passage speaks of the one who built the house of the LORD. Who was that? This isn't speaking of Jesus. David thought he would be the one to build the house of the LORD, but God told him it would be his son (the one coming from his own body). That is largely significant and I'm glad you brought this up. However it does not support what you wanted it to support.Quote Mandy, if Yeshua was great and righteous because he was part literally God, then why was it necessary for the Holy Spirit to descend on him when he was older, just before his ministry?
Pure speculation on my part here, but perhaps it was for public recognition. There was a gathering and word spread fast. God gave his stamp of approval, you could say. Maybe it was Jesus' “Coming out” party? At any rate, God gave him a special dose of his spirit that day. I suppose it's very much like when God gives us special doses of his spirit to work and spread the gospel. Jesus received a larger portion because he was his own. That's just my ideas here for what they are worth. Besides, I do believe that Jesus laid down his privileges as the Only Son of God, but that is another thread….Quote These scriptures show me what I was trying to get at in my last post which is, BY MAN Yah has saved man, not by a half god, did Yah save man.
You are referring to the Romans passage here. Um, Adam came and went. He didn't do his job and he certainly botched things up for the rest of us. Why would God send another man just like Adam to save us? Was God going for double-or-nothing? I believe the important word to look at in these passages is: gift. The scriptures teach us that the love of God was that he sent is SON, not just another Adam. There has to be a difference, the bible tells us so! That difference is what is up for debate and will be till the end of time.Quote Do you understand what firstfruits represents? Christ was a firstfruit not because he was a half god, but because he was the first to be given the full portion of Yah’s Spirit, and the only person to be given it from the time of his co
nception.
I can appreciate your desire to teach, Jodi, but you must be aware that your opinion and belief system is only one of many here. And to answer your question, yes I do have a working knowledge of what “firstfruits” means however, it is a bit different from yours.Was Jesus given a full measure of spirit from conception or from the Jordan? Which do you think and why?
Quote Prior to Yeshua, and after Yeshua, there was and never will be any other human who will have had the fullness of the Spirit working in them from the time of their conception.
But you said earlier…Quote How and why was Yeshua righteous, not because he was part God, but because he was led by Yah’s Spirit. This tells us that if we allow Yah to guide our spirit we can be sisters with Christ.
I'm a bit confused as to your line of thinking on this one? Is it that we can be brother's and sister's with Christ because we allow God to work through us by his spirit and that is what binds us?Or is it that Christ will always have more of a measure of the spirit and we will always be inferior to him? He will be more of a Son to God than we could ever hope to be because he has more of God's holy spirit? This confuses me because scripture tells us that we will be co-heirs with Christ?
Quote The blood of the Royal line was cursed, however Yeshua being the adopted son of Joseph gives Yeshua the right to be King. Yeshua could be King according to the Jews because of his adoption into the Royal line, and according to Yah because he did not have the cursed blood.
I'm not really too interested in the blood lines only because there are too many interpretations to choose from. However I will say that there appears to be something wrong with the blood lines along the way. Interesting fact that at conception, the sperm is the establisher of the blood.Also Jesus was declared King because he was the Son of God. The angels annouced him! Talk about an announcement of your kids birth – a host of angels singing! We just send out cutesy picures and cards.
Quote So it is not really confusing at all if you dig into the bible you find a very interesting package, a present of truth as to why the virgin birth was necessary
I love your dedication to seeking truth Jodi. Your contributions here are flat-out great! I enjoy reading and getting to know you. But for the vast majority of seekers the bible is confusing. It may not be for you because you have determined which interpretations to follow or agree with. But there are many to choose from. I guess we have to rely on the “Spirit” to guide us, but then all who do seem to be going in different directions. Ah, well, so much for that too, I guess. I see your point of view and while I do not agree with it, I certainly wouldn't say you don't have half the truth……while I may have the other half of it.
Thanks for the chat,
MandyJohn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. If Jesus was just a thought in the mind of God and didn't pre-exist with the Father, what kind of glory is that?
gsilva72……Jesus understood fully the position God Had for Him, it was revealed to him as he was Growing up He know by events that took place, and scriptures that showed the Glory God had predestined him for. His glory was preordained by God the Father. You seem to think that God the Fathers plans or thoughts are nothing, but your wrong God's thoughts and plans are as if they already happened at the time of there existence. Every thing happens because God through it, spoke it, and planed it. before it ever happened and it is sure to happen, Jesus know that, “for He foreknew the (END) from the (BEGINNING)”, right How could He do that?, only one way He was going to bring it to past, just like He did in Jesus' case.
peace to you and yours……………gene
Quote (gsilva72 @ May 18 2008,18:09) John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. If Jesus was just a thought in the mind of God and didn't pre-exist with the Father, what kind of glory is that?
Hi:Maybe the following verse will clarify that Jesus was not saying that he pre-existed with the Father but he was speaking of the glory that God had forseen for him. As Gene has stated God as forseen everything from the beginning to the end.
Quote Jhn 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. It always makes me wonder why you don't know what a Firstborn Son is? In
Col. 1 :15 “He is the image of the invisible God, T H E F I R S T B O R N over all creation.
verse 16 ” For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are in earth visible and invisible…… All things were created through Him and for Him. If He created all would you not think that He was there?
verse 17 AND HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS, AND IN HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST.
verse 18 shows us that He was also the firstborn of the dead so in all things He will have preeminence.Meaning He was first in all.
That also goes along with John 1:1 He was the Word and the Word was God and was with God. To understand this you have to understand that God is a title. Even Satan is called the God of this world.
And the Word became flesh and walked among us. He was crucified and died for us and sits at the right hand of our Father in Heaven.He is or Mediator and we can go directly to the throne of God and ask for the
forgiveness of our Sins. No other sacrifices needed.Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (seek and you will find @ May 19 2008,07:33) It always makes me wonder why you don't know what a Firstborn Son is? In Col. 1 :15 “He is the image of the invisible God, T H E F I R S T B O R N over all creation.
verse 16 ” For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are in earth visible and invisible…… All things were created through Him and for Him. If He created all would you not think that He was there?
verse 17 AND HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS, AND IN HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST.
verse 18 shows us that He was also the firstborn of the dead so in all things He will have preeminence.Meaning He was first in all.
That also goes along with John 1:1 He was the Word and the Word was God and was with God. To understand this you have to understand that God is a title. Even Satan is called the God of this world.
And the Word became flesh and walked among us. He was crucified and died for us and sits at the right hand of our Father in Heaven.He is or Mediator and we can go directly to the throne of God and ask for the
forgiveness of our Sins. No other sacrifices needed.Peace and Love Mrs.
Hi Mrs:The KJ version translates Colossians 1:15 as follows:
Quote Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Which I believe is the correct translation. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and therefore, he is the first of humanity to be born of God. He is also the first of all of humanity to be born again from the dead.
My understanding is that God created everything that he created with Jesus in mind. He created all that he created for him. Jesus is God's heir, and Jesus is good enough to share with a us a portion of his inheritance.
Quote Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Quote Gen 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Quote Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Quote Hbr 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;God Bless
Quote (942767 @ May 18 2008,16:04) Hi Mrs: The KJ version translates Colossians 1:15 as follows:
Quote Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Which I believe is the correct translation. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and therefore, he is the first of humanity to be born of God. He is also the first of all of humanity to be born again from the dead.
My understanding is that God created everything that he created with Jesus in mind. He created all that he created for him. Jesus is God's heir, and Jesus is good enough to share with a us a portion of his inheritance.
Quote Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Quote Gen 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Quote Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Quote Hbr 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;God Bless
Quote The KJ version translates Colossians 1:15 as follows: Quote Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Which I believe is the correct translation. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and therefore, he is the first of humanity to be born of God. He is also the first of all of humanity to be born again from the dead.
Hi 94,
Excuse me for kinda jumping in here but I am trying to wrap my mind around your above quote. You say that Jesus is the first of humanity to be born of God. When do you see that having happened…as He was born from Mary or when?I'm trying to understand where you are coming from.
Blessings!
Quote (Lightenup @ May 19 2008,08:28) Quote (942767 @ May 18 2008,16:04) Hi Mrs: The KJ version translates Colossians 1:15 as follows:
Quote Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Which I believe is the correct translation. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and therefore, he is the first of humanity to be born of God. He is also the first of all of humanity to be born again from the dead.
My understanding is that God created everything that he created with Jesus in mind. He created all that he created for him. Jesus is God's heir, and Jesus is good enough to share with a us a portion of his inheritance.
Quote Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Quote Gen 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Quote Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Quote Hbr 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;God Bless
Quote The KJ version translates Colossians 1:15 as follows: Quote Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Which I believe is the correct translation. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and therefore, he is the first of humanity to be born of God. He is also the first of all of humanity to be born again from the dead.
Hi 94,
Excuse me for kinda jumping in here but I am trying to wrap my mind around your above quote. You say that Jesus is the first of humanity to be born of God. When do you see that having happened…as He was born from Mary or when?I'm trying to understand where you are coming from.
Blessings!
Hi Lightenup:No problem with you jumping in at anytime. Firstborn of God when he was conceived of the Holy Ghost and born of the virgin Mary, yes.
God Bless
Lighten up……….Jesus was the first born Human member of God's Spiritual family and first resurrected to eternal life first of many, and is air of all things, and when we are born into that Family we also are heirs of all things as he is, so shall we be. Jesus holds and occupies the position of first born of the house hold of God.
None of this has to do with any preexistent s before he came into existence as a human being, except for the fact That was God's plan all along.
peace to you and yours…………….gene
Quote (942767 @ May 18 2008,16:42) Quote (Lightenup @ May 19 2008,08:28) Quote (942767 @ May 18 2008,16:04) Hi Mrs: The KJ version translates Colossians 1:15 as follows:
Quote Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Which I believe is the correct translation. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and therefore, he is the first of humanity to be born of God. He is also the first of all of humanity to be born again from the dead.
My understanding is that God created everything that he created with Jesus in mind. He created all that he created for him. Jesus is God's heir, and Jesus is good enough to share with a us a portion of his inheritance.
Quote Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Quote Gen 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Quote Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Quote Hbr 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;God Bless
Quote The KJ version translates Colossians 1:15 as follows: Quote Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Which I believe is the correct translation. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and therefore, he is the first of humanity to be born of God. He is also the first of all of humanity to be born again from the dead.
Hi 94,
Excuse me for kinda jumping in here but I am trying to wrap my mind around your above quote. You say that Jesus is the first of humanity to be born of God. When do you see that having happened…as He was born from Mary or when?I'm trying to understand where you are coming from.
Blessings!
Hi Lightenup:No problem with you jumping in at anytime. Firstborn of God when he was conceived of the Holy Ghost and born of the virgin Mary, yes.
God Bless
Hi 94,
Thank you for your answer.
Now regarding John 1:1
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
NASUAm I correct in thinking that you believe that John 1:1 is referring to Jesus in the beginning with God merely as a wonderful plan in the thoughts of God. A plan that will come as a human that passes on God's word to others after He is born of Mary and was not active in any way before that?
Still, trying to understand you, I hope you don't mind.
Blessings
942767 and Gen. So the Angels who were already in Heaven were they not God's Children? What you are saying does not make sense. I also do not understand why all want to read something into scripture that does not say it. It says that He was the firstborn of all creation. That includes the Angels. He was there before the world was. Why do you not want to believe that? Just because the J.W. believe it, is that it? You see the scriptures John 1:1 Co. 1:15-18 and Rev. 3:14 and Psalms 8:22-30 all tell us that Jesus was created came forth from the Father long before all was created, how else could Jesus create all, if He was not created or came forth from the Father before the world was? I know I am very forceful here, but I am so convinced about this that I would stake my live on it.
I know how hard that is, when somebody told me about this, I did not wanted to believe it either, but God put those scriptures in front of me over and over again. Now every one from John to Rev. fits. Line upon line, here a little and there a little.
Peace and Love Mrs.Quote (Lightenup @ May 19 2008,10:36) Quote (942767 @ May 18 2008,16:42) Quote (Lightenup @ May 19 2008,08:28) Quote (942767 @ May 18 2008,16:04) Hi Mrs: The KJ version translates Colossians 1:15 as follows:
Quote Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Which I believe is the correct translation. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and therefore, he is the first of humanity to be born of God. He is also the first of all of humanity to be born again from the dead.
My understanding is that God created everything that he created with Jesus in mind. He created all that he created for him. Jesus is God's heir, and Jesus is good enough to share with a us a portion of his inheritance.
Quote Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Quote Gen 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Quote Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Quote Hbr 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;God Bless
Quote The KJ version translates Colossians 1:15 as follows: Quote Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Which I believe is the correct translation. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, and therefore, he is the first of humanity to be born of God. He is also the first of all of humanity to be born again from the dead.
Hi 94,
Excuse me for kinda jumping in here but I am trying to wrap my mind around your above quote. You say that Jesus is the first of humanity to be born of God. When do you see that having happened…as He was born from Mary or when?I'm trying to understand where you are coming from.
Blessings!
Hi Lightenup:No problem with you jumping in at anytime. Firstborn of God when he was conceived of the Holy Ghost and born of the virgin Mary, yes.
God Bless
Hi 94,
Thank you for your answer.
Now regarding John 1:1
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
NASUAm I correct in thinking that you believe that John 1:1 is referring to Jesus in the beginning with God merely as a wonderful plan in the thoughts of God. A plan that will come as a human that passes on God's word to others after He is born of Mary and was not active in any way before that?
Still, trying to understand you, I hope you don't mind.
Blessings
Hi Lightenup:You can read what I believe about John 1:1 here:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….john+11
God Bless
Quote (seek and you will find @ May 19 2008,10:42) 942767 and Gen. So the Angels who were already in Heaven were they not God's Children? What you are saying does not make sense. I also do not understand why all want to read something into scripture that does not say it. It says that He was the firstborn of all creation. That includes the Angels. He was there before the world was. Why do you not want to believe that? Just because the J.W. believe it, is that it? You see the scriptures John 1:1 Co. 1:15-18 and Rev. 3:14 and Psalms 8:22-30 all tell us that Jesus was created came forth from the Father long before all was created, how else could Jesus create all, if He was not created or came forth from the Father before the world was? I know I am very forceful here, but I am so convinced about this that I would stake my live on it.
I know how hard that is, when somebody told me about this, I did not wanted to believe it either, but God put those scriptures in front of me over and over again. Now every one from John to Rev. fits. Line upon line, here a little and there a little.
Peace and Love Mrs.
Hi Mrs:I have given you my understanding of this, and if you do not believe this the way that I do, then that is between you and God. I don't believe that Jesus pre-existed his birth from the virgin Mary, and I have given you scripture for what I believe.
Have you ever considered that it may be you who is wrong about this?
At any rate, you cannot force someone to believe the way that you do.
You say:
“It says that he was the first born of all creation. That includes angels”.
Please give me scripture for this statement.
I have quoted you the scripture Col. 1:15 from the KJV which I have stated that I believe is correct.
The NIV states:
“Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.”
Here is another scripture which I believe supports that Jesus did not pre-exist his birth from the virgin Mary:
Quote 1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,Hi Again Mrs:
Are angels born of God?
Based on the following scripture, I don't think that they are.
Quote Hbr 1:5 ¶ For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? God Bless
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.
Genesis 3:22″Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever
Genesis 11:7 “Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.”
Isaish 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying: “Whom shall I send, And who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I! Send me.”
All these scriptures when referring to God use the word us! Now someone must have pre-existed. He isn't just talking to a thought or an expression that some claim John 1:1 is saying!
gsilva72………Genesis 1:29…..Then God (powers) said, See (I) have given you every herb,& ect
And you quoted,” and GOD said Let Us” , you have to define what is meant by the word God, if you check it out you will see it is a plural form of the word (POWERS) does not relate to just two or three beings as trinitarians want you to believe. It encompasses all who are under the one (POWER) and Will of the Lord (He Exists) God (Powers) another words, the Powers of (He Exists)The LORD did it all.
Your trying to force the text to mean two or three when in fact it doesn't say that.
The word US can imply thousands or millions as far as that goes.IMO…………..gene
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