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Quote You just can't get your mind around the fact God WILL ULTIMATELY SAVE ALL HIS CREATION. Was Jesus wrong when he asked how the scribes and pharisees were to flee from the judgement of Gehenna?
And what would you say of those who are “guilty of everlasting sin”? (Mt 12:31, 32; Mr 3:28-30)
“if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, but there is a certain fearful expectation of judgment and there is a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition.” (Heb 10:26,27)
And the mention of “everlasting destruction” or “perishing” of the wicked?
David…….. are you refering to where Jesus said all manner of sin, (SHALL) be forgiven MAN, except Blaspheming against the HOLY SPIRIT.
Ok …Lets look at that…..First you must admit it says (ALL MANOR OF SIN SHALL BE FORGIVEN MAN) Do you notice it says (ALL MANOR OF SIN (WILL) BE FORGIVEN MAN ?, That leaves (NO) sin out right. Now lets look at blaspheming against the Spirit , Notice Jesus said it (CAN NOT) be Forgiven, If it can not be forgiven them why cant it be, should be the question, The reason is because the HOLY SPIRIT (IS TRUTH) and when you speak against truth it can not be overlook now or in the future it will have to be dealt with in order to be corrected so if you are going against the Spirit of truth there is not forgiveness you (MUST CHANGE) and remember you have to have it in order to go against it, and it must be dealt with not overlooked or forgiven, and if you are dealt with and change, you are no longer going against the spirit of truth right , so it was not forgiven you, the way (ALL) other sin was. It must be dealt with so it (CANT) be forgiven, Like (ALL) other sin can. The spirit of Truth (INTELLECT) is what gives you the ability to totally recognize what is truth and if you speak against what you know is true it must be dealt with, it is not forgiven in this life or the life to come. I will always be dealt with forever. If you understand what SPIRIT is it All makes sense. IMO
peace…………………gene
GB,
So it is unwise to oppose the teaching of Jesus Christ who was God's spokesperson?We all agree.
So listen to him.Nick……good advisce you need to do that, if you listen real intently you might get to where you can understand him.
GB,
So what is written is untruth?Jesus disagrees as usual.
Jn17.17
17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.But spirits men trust are always reliable?
Do we not have to test the spirits?
Many deceitful spirits have gone forth to confuse men who do not trust Jesus.
You do have to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and his teachings.
You must hold onto the HEAD of the bodyQuote (david @ Aug. 10 2008,08:11) “You Must Choose” On numerous occasions Jehovah encouraged his loyal ones to choose a virtuous course. For example, when Jehovah concluded a covenant with the ancient nation of Israel, he said to them, through Moses:
“I do take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today, that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring.” (Deuteronomy 30:19)
Did God establish ahead of time the choice that those individuals would make? Evidently not.
Joshua, a leader of God’s people in ancient times, exhorted his countrymen: “Choose for yourselves today whom you will serve . . . As for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah.” (Joshua 24:15) Similarly, God’s prophet Jeremiah said: “Obey, please, the voice of Jehovah in what I am speaking to you, and it will go well with you, and your soul will continue to live.” (Jeremiah 38:20)
Would a just and loving God encourage people to do right in the hope of receiving a reward if he knew that they were destined to fail? No. Such encouragement would be hypocritical.
http://www.monergism.com/Schreiner%2C%20Thomas%20-%20Corporate%20and%20Individual%20Elect.pdfNick……….It doesn't matter how much of the bible you read , you can read it till your blue in the face and not understand it at all, without the Spirit of (TRUTH IN YOU ) you simply don't understand it as i posted. Why are you trying to make me out to saying the written words are untrue , that shows what kind of SPIRIT WORKING is WORKING in YOU. The SPIRIT of deception. YOU cant keep what a person says in context of what he means, just like you cant understand the words of Jesus either. IMO
the point of the link was not monergism, though that certainty lies at back of the entire discussion of election….the point I was emphasizing was that there seems to be a dichotomy between election viewed s individual or corporate as if the 2 are antithetical or mutually exclusive of one another, they are not. But, God deals in particulars… He does not “know” nebulous empty categories of nameless faceless groups, He knows people… individuals… God's knowledge, the type of knowledge He has, actually and positively precludes His knowing empty abstract categories. God knows details, He knows who are His and He certainly knows the identity of His very own Bride!! Therefore, God's omniscience insures the fact that He knows each and every individual that He elects to salvation, by grace, through faith.
blessings,
KenQuote (epistemaniac @ Sep. 15 2008,11:32) the point of the lunk was not monergism, though that certainty lies at back of the entire discussion of election….the point I was emphasizing was that there seems to be a dichotomy between election viewed s individual or corporate as if the 2 are antithetical or mutually exclusive of one another, they are not. But, God deals in particulars… He does not “know” nebulous empty categories of nameless faceless groups, He knows people… individuals… God's knowledge, the type of knowledge He has, actually and positively precludes His knowing empty abstract categories. God knows details, He knows who are His and He certainly knows the identity of His very own Bride!! Therefore, God's omniscience insures the fact that He knows each and every individual that He elects to salvation, by grace, through faith. blessings,
Ken
I'll let the scriptures talkRevelation 22:17… 17The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
me too…. thats why I believe monergism to be true…. unfortunately some of the ignorant and superficial (not speaking of any one in particular here) believe that any one who doesn't agree with their INTERPRETATION of the scriptures is, simply by virtue of their disagreement, unbiblical…… as if to disagree with them is the very same thing as disagreeing with God and the scriptures. Even sayings like “I'll let the scriptures talk”, while on the surface sounds very pious, it CAN ignore the fact that the scriptures must be interpreted, that the scriptures have to pass through an interpretive framework which colors and affects the way we understand what the Scriptures teach….. everyone has cultural baggage, everyone has been affected by other people and traditions in their lives, whether they be teachers that were respected or persons with whom one disagreed….. our culture also affects us and has it has been very truly said, he (or she) that says they have no traditions is he who is most blinded by them…. we must work to root out these extraneous factors that affect how we interpret the bible, but at no time will we be 100 percent free, and be perfectly unbiased, perfectly neutral observers, simply saying what the Scripture says in an infallible sense… that gets back to comments like “I'll let the scriptures talk” which show good intentions to be sure, but they can also reveal the fact that people imagine themselves to be infallible in their interpretation of the scriptures… again, I am not saying that this is true of anyone in particular, just that it is something… an attitude if you will, to be wary of…
blessings,
KenHi E,
What bothers me is the underlying presumption that manfests as everyone claiming to be saved by their own standards even though so rarely do those standards agree with anyone elses and on that basis resting up and philosophising about where they go from here.It would be healthier to see earnest efforts to ensure their standards match with the biblical ones such as the three witnesses of 1jn5.
Seeking first the kingdom has been lost in this morass of presumption.
We all individually do need to work out our salvation in fear and trembling.
We must seek to follow the Spirit of grace in Christ Jesus.
Quote In my opinion, I believe that scripture says, when looked at in context with ALL scriptures, that God has predestined everthing. Creation is in His complete control, –chosenone.
While I believe that God has ultimate control over creation, he does not predestine each leaf that falls to the ground. You can be in control of something without having to manage the detail.
Chosenone, one of the “rules” for Bible interpretation, is that scriptures do not conflict with other scriptures. I believe scripture says man has free will. Does individual free will conflict with pre-destination?
Would you encourage your children to undertake a project with a marvelous future, knowing from the start that it was doomed to failure? Would you warn them of harm, while knowing that you had planned everything so that they were sure to come to grief? Is it reasonable, then, to attribute such to God? (Gen. 1:28; 2:16, 17) Adam therefore had free will.
Here is something else that seems to conflict:
If God foreordained and foreknew Adam’s sin and all that would result from this, it would mean that by creating Adam, God deliberately set in motion all the wickedness committed in human history.
But the Bible clearly says: “You are not a God taking delight in wickedness.” (Ps. 5:4) “Anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.” (Ps. 11:5) “God . . . cannot lie.” (Titus 1:2) “From oppression and from violence he [the One designated by God as Messianic King] will redeem their soul, and their blood will be precious in his eyes.” (Ps. 72:14) “God is love.” (1 John 4:8) “He is a lover of righteousness and justice.”—Ps. 33:5.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2012,08:02) Hi ED,
You all believe men exist before their conception?
Why?
Hi Nick,I never said that?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2012,08:16) Hi ED,
Perhaps I misunderstood.
Can you explain what you do believe?
Hi Nick,So we can have a cohesive dialog, it therefore becomes necessary
to know what “exactly” we are discussing. Defining the terms…Reincarnation: The belief that the soul, upon death of the body,
comes back to earth in another body or form.Preexistence: To exist in spirit form before becoming incarnated as a human.
I therefore need to know what you are calling 'an Evil Angel',
so I can be clear as to what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Nick,
We MUST know what each other is talking about to have a cohesive dialog.
Arguing over misconceptions is unproductive as your last comment illustrates.
That is why it's necessary to set forth the terms before progress can be made.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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