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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 11 2008,15:35) Dk…..Your God of love is selective then and is a respector of persons, because your sins are not really that bad as others are. But scripture says whosoever broke the lest of these laws has broken the all. So I guess it;s you who are the one making the difference right. Your just a little better then the net guy and therefore he should be cast into an ever burning Helll fire while you on the other hand beign a better person should have everlasting life. Your eyes are on the person and you are not seeing what GOD is able to do even for the worst offenders. In your religion King David will go to eternal burning lake of fire, because he not only committed adultery but Murdered Uriah and stoled His wife. But David said blessed is the man who the Lord will impute no sin, whose iniquities He has covered. Then you would say David repented of His sin and indeed he did, but what do you do with the fact that on His death Bed He ordered the execution of some People through the Hands of His son Solomon . you say you serve the God of Love…who will NEVER inflect evil upon the righteous. Job 1:8 And the lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered (MY SERVANT) Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a man (PERFECT) and an UPRIGHT man, one that feareth GOD, and escheweth evil. Job 42:11….> then came there unto him all his brethren , and all his sisters, and all they that had been his acquaintance before, and sis eat bread with him, and comforted him over ALL THE EVIL THAT THE LORD HAD BROUGHT UPON HIM>Does this not plainly show GOD does inflict evil upon the righteous. If God can save us he can save anyone that has ever existed (YET AS BY FIRE). IMO
Peace ………………gene
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Oh and as far as Job is concerned…ask yourself did Job REALLY think that God CAUSED this to happen? or rather did he think God ALLOWED this to happen?
There is a big difference…also check other uses of the phrase “brought upon” in OT
Quote (dirtyknections @ Sep. 11 2008,15:37) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 11 2008,15:35) Dk…..Your God of love is selective then and is a respector of persons, because your sins are not really that bad as others are. But scripture says whosoever broke the lest of these laws has broken the all. So I guess it;s you who are the one making the difference right. Your just a little better then the net guy and therefore he should be cast into an ever burning Helll fire while you on the other hand beign a better person should have everlasting life. Your eyes are on the person and you are not seeing what GOD is able to do even for the worst offenders. In your religion King David will go to eternal burning lake of fire, because he not only committed adultery but Murdered Uriah and stoled His wife. But David said blessed is the man who the Lord will impute no sin, whose iniquities He has covered. Then you would say David repented of His sin and indeed he did, but what do you do with the fact that on His death Bed He ordered the execution of some People through the Hands of His son Solomon . you say you serve the God of Love…who will NEVER inflect evil upon the righteous. Job 1:8 And the lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered (MY SERVANT) Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a man (PERFECT) and an UPRIGHT man, one that feareth GOD, and escheweth evil. Job 42:11….> then came there unto him all his brethren , and all his sisters, and all they that had been his acquaintance before, and sis eat bread with him, and comforted him over ALL THE EVIL THAT THE LORD HAD BROUGHT UPON HIM>Does this not plainly show GOD does inflict evil upon the righteous. If God can save us he can save anyone that has ever existed (YET AS BY FIRE). IMO
Peace ………………gene
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Hi DK,
So to believe in salvation for all is a sign of deception.“9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
Interesting
Dk……… and you were ALL like that at one time in your life, but God some how saved you right , But is unable to save the rest of mankind, I guess he loved you more then the rest of His creation right. What you seem to miss is that God will heal and cleans all and then there will not be any , deceivers, nor slanders, neither sexually immoral nor idolaters and all the rest you mentioned. You just can't get your mind around the fact God WILL ULTIMATELY SAVE ALL HIS CREATION. You DON”T realize his power to get into the mind and cause a transformation to take place do you, you think it all up to you. Well good luck on you personal salvation works, you are going to need it. IMO.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 11 2008,16:14) GB,
It is you who says this and that is not enough for those who love bible truth.
basicallyNick…..do you want me to post scripture then to prove what i said, Paul plainly said we were all like that a one time, if you want i will post it for you, but you should already know that.
Doesn't the bible tell us that God's will is that all shall be saved and none shall perish?Does'nt Jesus tell his disiples to pray that God's will be done?He also says that when you pray believe what you have asked and if you believe it will be done.Also were there are two together in the mighty name of Jesus and ask anything according to his will it will be done.If anyone here would like to agree with me in his name for the salvation of all his creation,I'm game.:D
Hi and welcome rhonda,
Jesus never said all would be saved but Paul revealed the loving hope of God and men have twisted it.Nick……Are you now saying the Paul and Peter were against Jesus? Is that you new stand now? Now are we to throw away what ever one except Jesus said in our bibles is that your new theology.
Nick…..who do you follow? They all followed Jesus as far as i am concerned. AS many have also. whats your point.
GB,
Do you not know your Master, the one Paul and Cephas followed and the one we should also follow?
His words are etenal but human measurers like Isaac Newton??Hi Nick,
Why is it twisted to believe God's loving will will be done?Isn't that what we are supposed to do?Quote All will become meek in time. God concluded all under Sin, that He might have (MERCY ON ALL) does that leave anyone out. Listen, GB, he has shown us all mercy and undeserved kindness (grace) in that he gives us the opportunity to live forever, even though we are completely undeserving.
But not all accept that opportunity.The meek will inherit the earth.
If all will become meek in time, as you say, all will inherit the earth.
Prov 2:21,22 says:
“For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.”So the treacherous and the wicked will not inherit the earth. Quite the exact opposite, really. Therefore, not all will become meek, as you say. But the undeserved opportunity is there for all.
Quote where does it say the only a few will be meek and not all mankind ultimately will become meek. The statement: 'The meek will inherit the earth' is rather deceptive if really, all will inherit the earth. Why include the word “meek” then?
The scripture says “blessed” or “happy” are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth (mat 5:5 I think) as opposed to the wicked who will be “torn away from the earth” as the Bible says. You should perhaps read Ps 37. It also contrasts the righteous inheriting the earth, with the wicked which will be cut off and removed.
GRACE (UNDESERVED KINDNESS)
Quote The reason i keep bringing up GRACE (God's influencing on the heart) is because GRACE produces meekness also. Time to learn stuff.
The Greek word kha′ris occurs more than 150 times in the Greek Scriptures and is rendered in a variety of ways.
the great majority of occurrences, kha′ris is rendered “grace” by most English Bible translators. The word “grace,” however, with some 14 different meanings does not convey to most readers the ideas contained in the Greek word. To illustrate: In John 1:14, where the King James Version says “the Word was made flesh . . . full of grace and truth,” what is meant? Does it mean “gracefulness,” or “favor,” or what?
Insight book, v 2, page 155Scholar R. C. Trench, in Synonyms of the New Testament, says kha′ris implies “a favour freely done, without claim or expectation of return—the word being thus predisposed to receive its new emphasis [as given it in the Christian writings] . . . , to set forth the entire and absolute freeness of the loving-kindness of God to men. Thus Aristotle, defining [kha′ris], lays the whole stress on this very point, that it is conferred freely, with no expectation of return, and finding its only motive in the bounty and free-heartedness of the giver.”
(London, 1961, p. 158) Joseph H. Thayer in his lexicon says: “The word [kha′ris] contains the idea of kindness which bestows upon one what he has not deserved . . . the N. T. writers use [kha′ris] pre-eminently of that kindness by which God bestows favors even upon the ill-deserving, and grants to sinners the pardon of their offences, and bids them accept of eternal salvation through Christ.”
(A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 1889, p. 666) Kha′ris is closely related to another Greek word, kha′ri·sma, concerning which William Barclay’s New Testament Wordbook (1956, p. 29) says: : “The whole basic idea of the word [kha′ri·sma] is that of a free and undeserved gift, of something given to a man unearned and unmerited.”So, “undeserved kindness” is an easy way to translate that word.
Which brings us to the grace (undeserved kindness) you keep mentioning.
For sinners condemned to death (and we are all born as such) to be released from that condemnation and to be declared righteous, this is indeed kindness that is totally undeserved. (Ro 3:23, 24; 5:17)
This special manifestation of undeserved kindness on God’s part toward mankind in general was the release by ransom from condemnation through the blood of Jehovah’s beloved Son, Christ Jesus. (Eph 1:7; 2:4-7) By means of this undeserved kindness God brings salvation to all sorts of men. (Tit 2:11)
Paul, more than any other writer, mentioned God’s undeserved kindness—more than 90 times in his 14 letters.
Paul had every reason for emphasizing Jehovah’s undeserved kindness, for he had formerly been “a blasphemer and a persecutor and an insolent man.”
“Nevertheless,” he explains, “I was shown mercy, because I was ignorant and acted with a lack of faith. But the undeserved kindness of our Lord abounded exceedingly along with faith and love that is in connection with Christ Jesus.” (1Ti 1:13, 14; 1Co 15:10)So, now that we know what that word means (undeserved kindness) and not “God's influencing on our hearts” I again ask: What does this have to do with my questions?
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