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Quote (david @ May 02 2007,19:41) Quote There is one very common error that most people tend to make, and that is to assume that True Statements are, also, true when applied in the reverse order. And while it is sometimes true, it is rarely true. True Examples:
(1) Black is the opposite of white, and thus white is the opposite of black. (TRUE)(2) The Righteous are like Yahweh in Spirit, and thus those like Yahweh in Spirit are Righteous. (TRUE)
Untrue Examples: (These are (FALSE) relationships)
(1) All cows are animals, thus all animals are cows. (FALSE)
(2) G-d has supreme Authority, and thus all who have Supreme Authority are G-d. (FALSE) Yes, this is absolutely false.
(3) Messiah Yahshua sits on the Right Hand of Yahweh, and thus Yahweh sits on the Right Hand of Yahshua. (FALSE)
(4) Yahweh is Divine, and thus all Divine beings are Yahweh. (FALSE)
(5) G-d has a Spiritual IMAGE, and thus those with G-d's Spiritual IMAGE are G-d. (FALSE)
wj, i ASK that you consider these words above from unisage.
–Jehovah God Almighty is called “theos” therefore everyone called “theos” is Jehovah God Almighty. (This is not a true statement, at least, not one based on any sort of logical thinking.)
–In the Bible only Jesus and Jehovah are called “theos” therefore they are the same person. (Also, not in any way provable or logical or rational thinking.)
I would tend to think that because when the greek writers quoted from the Hebrew word “Elohim” they used “theos” that these words must be the same. Since we know that Elohim can be applied to angels, etc, it stands to reason that it's Greek equivalent could be as well.
But if there are different words that could be used, and weren't, this in iteself still doesn't actuall prove anything of course.
Jesus is above the angels, humans, etc. A stronger word may be needed and yet, as stated, just because a word is used for both Jehovah and Jesus does not mean they are the same one.In all these pages, only Nick and T8 are called “moderators” and “administrators” yet, we know they are not the same person.
DavidI have, and I fail to see how it applies to NT scriptures that clearly say Yeshua is God.
David, when Jesus came he brought in a New Covenant!
The Apostles knew this. They knew that the Old Covenat law of agency was no more because now everyman can go to God by coming to Jesus.
There was no more place for calling Kings and Prophets “Elohim”, or Lords.
This is why we see no example of such found in the mouths of the saints. Jesus was the way and the truth and the life.
If you came to Jesus you were coming to God who is our priest and our prophet and our King and our Lord.
Agency is dead, For Yeshua is our direct connection to God, for he is God in the flesh. YHWH has come as predicted in Zech Ch 12 and 14.
Jer 31:
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 *But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, *I will put my law in their inward parts*, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.*
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: *for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Heb 8:8
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:Heb 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.Heb 12:
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.To the Apostles the word “Theos” now meant One True God.
And that God is the The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Hi W,
That's odd.
Scripture seems to say we still need a mediator between us and God and that mediator is Christ.
Scripture still speaks of us needing an advocate if we sin and that advocate is Christ.
Scripture speaks of a new covenant high priest and that high priest is Christ.
Scripture says we have a head who is Christ and his head is God.Why do you keep trying to cut out the middle man?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 03 2007,06:28) Hi W,
That's odd.
Scripture seems to say we still need a mediator between us and God and that mediator is Christ.
Scripture still speaks of us needing an advocate if we sin and that advocate is Christ.
Scripture speaks of a new covenant high priest and that high priest is Christ.
Scripture says we have a head who is Christ and his head is God.Why do you keep trying to cut out the middle man?
NHYou said it.
Jesus is everything to us that the Father is. For it is all his.
If you have the Son you have the Father, God.
For Jesus is God in the flesh reconciling the world unto himself.
The Lord from heaven.
Hi W,
You should listen to Christ in Paul.
2Cor 5
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.If that means Christ IS God then what of this verse in Eph 3
“17That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. “
or Phil 2
13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Are we God too?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 03 2007,09:46) Hi W,
You should listen to Christ in Paul.
2Cor 5
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.If that means Christ IS Goed then what of this cerse in Eph 3
“17That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. “
or Phil 2
13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Are we God too?
NO! we are AS Christ. We are His brethren.
Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.Hi,
The Jewish people could teach us so much about taking care with sacred scripture
and not drawing rash conclusions from it.Nick……You might, but the ones i Knew didn't Know very much and i Knew a lot of them, not to mention the Hate Paul and completely deny My savior who died for my sins. They draw more rash conclusions then most do. Again you are drawing conclusion about things you seem to know very little about.
Hi GB,
Few members are constantly antagonistic towards people as you seem to have become.
You spend more effort attacking people than addressing scripture.
Why is that?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 03 2008,17:07) Nick……You might, but the ones i Knew didn't Know very much and i Knew a lot of them, not to mention the Hate Paul and completely deny My savior who died for my sins. They draw more rash conclusions then most do. Again you are drawing conclusion about things you seem to know very little about.
That's right brother Gene,
Just now who made it you can see clearly.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 03 2008,17:11) Hi GB,
Few members are constantly antagonistic towards people as you seem to have become.
You spend more effort attacking people than addressing scripture.
Why is that?
Nick……see you again turn things to make it seam you are right, instead of staying on subject you start personal attacks, And if there is any antagonistic on this sit it's (YOU), as can be attested to by many not just me. All the rest on this site have the same problems with you as I,Talk about the kettle calling the pot black!Nick….you do that OK, Who's stopping you, Just listen and you might fine some GOLD thats been mined, you might even surprise yourself on what you can learn Nickey boy.:D
Hi GB,
You said this in another thread.
“but the biggest problem is lack of rules of engagement, like staying on specific subject matter some who can't challenge the posted support given they simply change subject matter,and never acknowledge it as true, so how can any progress be made with that person, most will at least stay on subject or Just not respond at all.”Some lad was not listening to himself.
Please stay on thread.Hi,
If only people would get in the habit of testing all things and holding fast to what is good.
It is a nuisance to be constantly having to deal with established traditions.It's true, I don't know how to introduce these newly learnt concepts with my two Pastor brothers here in India.
Hi GM,
That work belongs to the Lord.
Instead love and feed on the Word yourself.
Then God can and will use you in the place that you fit in his body .Adam…….if you want my advice don't try to convert them , Just express what God Has given you to understand and let Go. Just like casting a Seed those who God is working with will understand, you and I can't convince anyone, It takes the Spirit of truth God to open the eyes of the blind you or I can't. But because they are family Just speak what God gives you, but don't get discouraged if they don't get it, only a (FEW) do.
love and peace to you and yours Adam………gene
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