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Have you seen Posters have commited a number of these errors while debating or dicussing their points within this forum.
1) Posting a “Knife comment”
Is when someone makes a claim and expects everyone to believe it, when the cliam is not supported by any connections or proofs or any other idea. its just stated and expected to be believed, with no proof, nor connecting the proof.
What i call a knife comment can be best represented by this example:
Imagine that we are both prosecutors in a murder trial.
The intelligent lawyer states “This is the exhibit A: knife recovered in the crime seen that clearly belongs to the defendant who initials are written in the handle with his fingerprints and whos blade is spilled with the victems blood. With this evidence we can conclude that the defandt is responsible for the murder. i rest my case”The foolish prosecutor “This is exhibit A: The Knife! THE KNIFE!!! everyone this is the KNIFE!!! and you have to believe me because this is enough proof to show that this man is guilty. the KNIFE! i rest my case” (*smirks* beats his monkey chest.)
2) Pointless arguements.
Is when decideing to post something pointless.
in other words nonsense.
For example:
A Response: woman shouldnt be treated bad,B response: Jesus is the son of mary.
A replies: What?
3) Runaway statements:
Making statements to either avoid questions or trying to change the subject.
“What i dont have to answer that, the burden of proof is on you!”
4) Distracting Statements:
Making statements to distract other people and avoid the orginal points that were made.
” Well God is omnipresent” (even though we are talking about the divinity of Jesus”5) Emotional Attacks
When a poster attacks a statement without defending himself first.
A: “Well the Quran says this,”
B: “Oh ya!! well the bible says this and that!! and this !!! so they are the same!!”
note: he doesnt refute your attack.6) False Accusation -Stating what has not been said.
When a poster states that you said something that you didnt say, or stating what scripture does not state.A:”well i disagree, your saying im ignorant, but God loves me and inspires me.”
B: “Where did you get ignorant from me correcting you by not stating scripture?”
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7) Everything at the Speed of Light-
“when a poster posts a whole series of stuff in one post and expect you to rebut every point. Not only does the reply often need to be longer, but there is so much stuff in each post that the posters have room to dodge that which stumps them.”-T88) “Starting over”
When a poster decides to start over and pretend to have amnesia, as if the other arguements didnt happen, and one has to start all over again….9) OneLiners
When a poster posts a one line arguement believing its enough to refute a whole arguement.10) Popularity Error:
Is when a poster believes that just because a source or a idea is popular, makes it true and use it as evidence to refute a cliam or other warrents.11) Know It All fallacy
Is when a poster believes that their intellect is far superior than facts and ignore what they are ignorant about, believing that their intellect is enough evidence to prove everyone elses hard core facts.
for example: Why doesnt other new translations agree with you?
why doesnt all these scholars agree with you?12)Evidence of Intentions Fallacy
Is when a poster uses intent of the writer as evidence to refute analysis based facts.
ex:
A-(claim) Jesus is God because (Warrent)he is the alpha and the omega mentioned in rev.22
B- oh really? well why didnt the genuis say that in the gospel of John? so it couldnt be true13) Smoke and Mirrors (Mikes Scooby doo)
Are a line of tactics of persumed logic, that are only diversions from the true intent or heart of the matter or to scare the other poster into silence.14)“Ad hominem.” Latin for “at the man”. ” This is a debating tactic that attacks the arguer and not the argument. PLEASE, debate the words that people post, not your idea ABOUT the person that posts.”-WJ
15) Foul diversion- Is when a poster crys and shouts out “abuse” “abuse” and All Posters will pay attention to the abuse and forget about the reasoning within the supposed “abuse” the Victem instead of ignoreing the abuse crys out intead of answering the reasoing behind the abuse-Just Askin
16)N/A debate Fallacy-In Real LD debate, if a Debater does not answer a questions or does not refute a point that is made, than the Point is automatcially Valid and upheld.
17) Explaination Fallacy: Is when a Poster decides to give explainations to prove his point without any proof to back up what he says.
Example:
A) John1:1 was speaking of the beginning of the gospel because who those surrender to Christ no longer live, but Chirst live in them.
B) You made not connection between what Paul and John says? In fact, what your saying has nothing to do with the context?
Where is your proofffff?
???18) Possibility Fallacy: Is When a poster claims just because an aspect is possible, which means it COULD be true, NOT THAT IT IS.
Therefore the fallacy is that Possibilities are not facts.
Example:
A)God could have saved the world by another means other than Jesus Christ, which is possible for God to do so because he is The Almighty.
B)But the FAct is that he DIDNT! SOO though its possible, God chose not to do it that way. So fact is that Jesus is the ONLY WAY the WORLD could be saved because God chose to do so.
A) The article in John 1:1 could mean “word was a god”
b) guess what it isnt, even though its possible.Dont you hate it when people do this?
its annoying right?
if you want to add anything go ahead and post.*Editing* adding from 6 and up.
I've pretty much seen it all.
Another method is when a poster posts a whole series of stuff in one post and expect you to rebut every point. Not only does the reply often need to be longer, but there is so much stuff in each post that the posters have room to dodge that which stumps them.
I prefer to keep it simple myself. That way you can get to the crux of a matter and find out when people don't have an answer, (including myself). So far people are very good at avoiding this however.
Quote (t8 @ June 27 2010,23:55) I've pretty much seen it all. Another method is when a poster posts a whole series of stuff in one post and expect you to rebut every point. Not only does the reply often need to be longer, but there is so much stuff in each post that the posters have room to dodge that which stumps them.
I prefer to keep it simple myself. That way you can get to the crux of a matter and find out when people don't have an answer, (including myself). So far people are very good at avoiding this however.
I agree t8,I dislike them all, but what you describe I call the “everything at the speed of light” post. And I've been lobbying against it in both of my debates with WJ. I say we should solidly confirm the first point made before answering to the 50 other points that are built on the foundation of that first point. If the first point is shaky, how strong will your house of cards really be?
peace and love,
mike7) Everything at the Speed of Light-“when a poster posts a whole series of stuff in one post and expect you to rebut every point. Not only does the reply often need to be longer, but there is so much stuff in each post that the posters have room to dodge that which stumps them.”-T8
Quote (seekingtruth @ June 28 2010,00:23) You know what they say, If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then buffalo them with bull….
Haha!!!Quote (seekingtruth @ June 28 2010,06:23) You know what they say, If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then buffalo them with bull…. 
8) “Starting over”
When a poster decides to start over and pretend to have amnesia, as if the other arguements didnt happen, and one has to start all over again….Hi SF,
The extremely long Posts are seen by the Poster (No names)
as strong affirmation of a point well documented in Scripture.
However as seen by the readers, it appears as garbled ideas
strung together into an extremely long Post not worth reading.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 28 2010,16:37) Hi SF, The extremely long Posts are seen by the Poster (No names)
as strong affirmation of a point well documented in Scripture.
However as seen by the readers, it appears as garbled ideas
strung together into an extremely long Post not worth reading.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,It is a strong affirmation if one would READ IT
truth is if no one reads it, than its not strong.second, its even harder to refute it.
Refuting a long post, is not only diffcult but time consuming.
and you might forget a point to refute, and they will
hang you for itIdk,
It seems shorter post are easier,9) OneLiners- When a poster posts a one line arguement believing its enough to refute a whole arguement.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 27 2010,11:42) 7) Everything at the Speed of Light-“when a poster posts a whole series of stuff in one post and expect you to rebut every point. Not only does the reply often need to be longer, but there is so much stuff in each post that the posters have room to dodge that which stumps them.”-T8
Yea, but what if the posts is in response to a “lightning post” and addresses every point that was in that post.Should one have the right to “Whine” and “cry” about not wanting to do the same and then accuse them of diversion?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2010,23:05) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 27 2010,11:42) 7) Everything at the Speed of Light-“when a poster posts a whole series of stuff in one post and expect you to rebut every point. Not only does the reply often need to be longer, but there is so much stuff in each post that the posters have room to dodge that which stumps them.”-T8
Yea, but what if the posts is in response to a “lightning post” and addresses every point that was in that post.Should one have the right to “Whine” and “cry” about not wanting to do the same and then accuse them of diversion?
WJ
WJ,There are many times when someone makes a semi long post, and we respond to it by, point by point within one post,
which i feel is ok,like a person who has 15 points and we respond back to every single one,
and than the person comes back excusing us is riduclous.This only leads to number (8)
where the debate STARTS OVER.which is frustrating.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 28 2010,13:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2010,23:05) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 27 2010,11:42) 7) Everything at the Speed of Light-“when a poster posts a whole series of stuff in one post and expect you to rebut every point. Not only does the reply often need to be longer, but there is so much stuff in each post that the posters have room to dodge that which stumps them.”-T8
Yea, but what if the posts is in response to a “lightning post” and addresses every point that was in that post.Should one have the right to “Whine” and “cry” about not wanting to do the same and then accuse them of diversion?
WJ
WJ,There are many times when someone makes a semi long post, and we respond to it by, point by point within one post,
which i feel is ok,like a person who has 15 points and we respond back to every single one,
and than the person comes back excusing us is riduclous.This only leads to number (8)
where the debate STARTS OVER.which is frustrating.
Agreed!WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2010,23:19) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 28 2010,13:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2010,23:05) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 27 2010,11:42) 7) Everything at the Speed of Light-“when a poster posts a whole series of stuff in one post and expect you to rebut every point. Not only does the reply often need to be longer, but there is so much stuff in each post that the posters have room to dodge that which stumps them.”-T8
Yea, but what if the posts is in response to a “lightning post” and addresses every point that was in that post.Should one have the right to “Whine” and “cry” about not wanting to do the same and then accuse them of diversion?
WJ
WJ,There are many times when someone makes a semi long post, and we respond to it by, point by point within one post,
which i feel is ok,like a person who has 15 points and we respond back to every single one,
and than the person comes back excusing us is riduclous.This only leads to number (8)
where the debate STARTS OVER.which is frustrating.
Agreed!WJ
WJ and T8CIFdebate solves and is perfect for those who like to debate with “Lightning Post” and there is no room to cry or whine.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 29 2010,04:26) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2010,16:37) Hi SF, The extremely long Posts are seen by the Poster (No names)
as strong affirmation of a point well documented in Scripture.
However as seen by the readers, it appears as garbled ideas
strung together into an extremely long Post not worth reading.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,It is a strong affirmation if one would READ IT
truth is if no one reads it, than its not strong.second, its even harder to refute it.
Refuting a long post, is not only diffcult but time consuming.
and you might forget a point to refute, and they will
hang you for itIdk,
It seems shorter post are easier,
Hi SF,Have you not seen this 'tactic' of stringing unrelated points
together as if some grand conclusion has been reached?
This tactic is used again and again by a certain member,
Who shall remain nameless, but we all know who it is.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 01 2010,22:12) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 29 2010,04:26) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2010,16:37) Hi SF, The extremely long Posts are seen by the Poster (No names)
as strong affirmation of a point well documented in Scripture.
However as seen by the readers, it appears as garbled ideas
strung together into an extremely long Post not worth reading.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,It is a strong affirmation if one would READ IT
truth is if no one reads it, than its not strong.second, its even harder to refute it.
Refuting a long post, is not only diffcult but time consuming.
and you might forget a point to refute, and they will
hang you for itIdk,
It seems shorter post are easier,
Hi SF,Have you not seen this 'tactic' of stringing unrelated points
together as if some grand conclusion has been reached?
This tactic is used again and again by a certain member,
Who shall remain nameless, but we all know who it is.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
lol can you give an example?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 02 2010,07:41) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2010,22:12) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 29 2010,04:26) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2010,16:37) Hi SF, The extremely long Posts are seen by the Poster (No names)
as strong affirmation of a point well documented in Scripture.
However as seen by the readers, it appears as garbled ideas
strung together into an extremely long Post not worth reading.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,It is a strong affirmation if one would READ IT
truth is if no one reads it, than its not strong.second, its even harder to refute it.
Refuting a long post, is not only diffcult but time consuming.
and you might forget a point to refute, and they will
hang you for itIdk,
It seems shorter post are easier,
Hi SF,Have you not seen this 'tactic' of stringing unrelated points
together as if some grand conclusion has been reached?
This tactic is used again and again by a certain member,
Who shall remain nameless, but we all know who it is.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
lol can you give an example?
Hi SF,I'll Post the link for you next time it happens; OK?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 28 2010,22:37) Hi SF, The extremely long Posts are seen by the Poster (No names)
as strong affirmation of a point well documented in Scripture.
However as seen by the readers, it appears as garbled ideas
strung together into an extremely long Post not worth reading.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Amen!mike
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