Phillipians 2

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 06 2010,21:44)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 05 2010,15:03) Mike to make all scriptures true,this could not be, Ah, but you are the one who told us that when scriptures seem to contradict themselves, it is only our feeble understanding of them that is a fault. mike

Mike

yes i say that and it still true and stick to it;

you say;;And this scripture clearly has Jesus proving the resurrection to the Sadducees by using the fact that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are living.

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Mt 3:9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
Mt 8:11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 22:32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ ? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”
Mk 12:26 Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account of the bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ ?

Lk 13:28 “There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.

Lk 16:29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
Lk 16:30 “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

Lk 20:37 But in the account of the bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’

READ ALL SCRIPTURES AND THE LAST ONE WILL SHOW YOU THAT IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT MEN WILL BE RESURECTED,(it was written in the accound of the bush what Moses ad written)

SO CHRIST PROVE THAT THERE IS A RESURECTION FOR MEN BUT NO ONE AS YET TO BE RESURECTED,ALL THE SOULS ARE IN WAITHING IN WHATEVER PLACE GOD AS PLACE THEM.

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

I don't know on this one Pierre.  It is still confusing to me.  I don't think the story of Abraham and Lazarus was meant to be taken literally……but who knows?  To me it seems like a parable to teach a lesson, not unlike the many other parables Jesus used as teaching tools.

But Matt 22:31 still seems to say that Jesus is proving the resurrection to a group of people who don't believe there is one by saying Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have been resurrected.

But Jesus also said no one has gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven, so if they had been “resurrected”, they must have been resurrected to someplace besides heaven.

Some people say it just means that “to God” they are alive.  But if that's the case, then so is everyone else who has ever died………so why single out just those three?

I will pray for and wait for understanding on this Pierre – because right now I just don't understand it.

peace and love,
mike

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2010,20:09)

I don't know on this one Pierre.  It is still confusing to me.  I don't think the story of Abraham and Lazarus was meant to be taken literally……but who knows?  To me it seems like a parable to teach a lesson, not unlike the many other parables Jesus used as teaching tools. But Matt 22:31 still seems to say that Jesus is proving the resurrection to a group of people who don't believe there is one by saying Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have been resurrected. But Jesus also said no one has gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven, so if they had been “resurrected”, they must have been resurrected to someplace besides heaven. Some people say it just means that “to God” they are alive.  But if that's the case, then so is everyone else who has ever died………so why single out just those three? I will pray for and wait for understanding on this Pierre – because right now I just don't understand it. peace and love, mike

Mike

i have looked at it in all the discussion Jesus as with the saducees

Mt 22:29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
Mt 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
Mt 22:31 But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you,
Mt 22:32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ ? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”

and in verse 30,Jesus states “”AT THE RESURECTION””
and to prove to them that it is written in scriptures,JESUS QUOTED ;Ex 3:6 Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob,,,,

EVERYONE KNEW THEY WERE DEAD ,;BUT THE SADUCEES DID NOT BELIEVE IN THE RESURECTION BECAUSE OF NOT UNDERSTANDING THE SCRIPTURES,SO JESUS POINT IT OUT TO THEM THAT IT WAS WRITTEN ,

the parable about the rich man an Lazarus ,is to show that we do not go all in the same place that is our spirit soul,revelation also talks about the Rev 14:12 God’s people need to be very patient. They are the ones who obey God’s commands. They remain faithful to Jesus.
Rev 14:13 Then I heard a voice from heaven. “Write this,” it said. “Blessed are the dead who die as believers in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Holy Spirit. “They will rest from their labor. What they have done will not be forgotten.”

was this helpful?

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Hi Pierre,

You say “EVERYONE KNEW THEY WERE DEAD”. But Jesus said Jehovah is NOT a God of the “dead”.

Thanks for trying to help……but I'm going to have to wait for spiritual guidance on this one I think.

peace and love,
mike

[JustAskin]

The parable of the Rich man and the poor man is to show that the Rich should help the poor.

Even today, that is being debated in Parliamentary house of commons…or “The Partly Mental House of Conmens” (Have you heard how much they claimed for expenses on 'second home allowances'?)

Being Rich is a test – people are not accidentally Rich.
Being poor is a test – people are not accidentally Poor.

Being rich means having the ability to help the poor – hence Jesus says “Sell all you have and follow me”
And to the poor he says “The kingdom of heaven is yours”

This does not mean that one should not be rich or that one should be poor but that each should live according to their means – the rich help the poor and the poor help themselves to be better with out being deceit, lying cheating, being corrupt, whatever.

And this transcend the individual, Neighbours, Communities, towns, cities, counties, nations, countries…everyone at every level. Rich nations, Poor nations, Rich Societies, Poor Societies, everyone working to help each other But of course, in the REAL world there is GREED and Avarice, selfishness and ignorance.

The rich man realised too late that he should have helped the poor and tried to get a message back to his relatives to warn them… no – can – do … for if they don't believe the [message from the] living, how will they believe the [message from the] dead.

[terraricca]

Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 08 2010,20:46)

The parable of the Rich man and the poor man is to show that the Rich should help the poor. Even today, that is being debated in Parliamentary house of commons…or “The Partly Mental House of Conmens” (Have you heard how much they claimed for expenses on 'second home allowances'?) Being Rich is a test – people are not accidentally Rich. Being poor is a test – people are not accidentally Poor. Being rich means having the ability to help the poor – hence Jesus says “Sell all you have and follow me” And to the poor he says “The kingdom of heaven is yours” This does not mean that one should not be rich or that one should be poor but that each should live according to their means – the rich help the poor and the poor help themselves to be better with out being deceit, lying cheating, being corrupt, whatever. And this transcend the individual, Neighbours, Communities, towns, cities, counties, nations, countries…everyone at every level. Rich nations, Poor nations, Rich Societies, Poor Societies, everyone working to help each other But of course, in the REAL world there is GREED and Avarice, selfishness and ignorance. The rich man realised too late that he should have helped the poor and tried to get a message back to his relatives to warn them… no – can –  do … for if they don't believe the [message from the] living, how will they believe the [message from the] dead.

JA

you still did not cover all the aspects of that parable,

it is not for us to save the poor in the world,but the near by on your way,in your faith,

Lazarus was at the rich men gate,and he did nothing.

the good Samaritan help someone on his road,

Pierre

[NickHassan]

Hi,
CHRIST Jesus means it is about the anointed Jesus.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
“being made in human likeness”.

Seems to rule out that the statements about him were AFTER his conception.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
“7but made himself nothing,
taking the form of a servant, “

Where is it written that Jesus Christ did these things while on earth?

The word FORM is used re his being in the FORM of God as well as taking the FORM of a servant.

So how do these FORMS relate?

The [Spirit of] Christ proceeded from and came from God.[jn8]

The Word was with God and was God.

Now the Lord iS the Spirit.

[NickHassan]

HI,
So the FORM of God can be changed to the FORM of a servant
and then the MAKING IN HUMAN LIKENESS

The Spirit of Christ is the servant Spirit.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Phil 2 speaks of Christ Jesus, the anointed Jesus.
So it speaks of the vessel and the anointing WORD.

The people said GOD HAS VISITED HIS PEOPLE and they were right.
They were familiar with that happening with the prophets.

But the vessel was human and not divine.
That is our hope too.

We do not have to follow God but be a cleansed vessel for the same anointing to be shared with us and to work through us.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Jesus Christ is the root AND the descendant of David

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2014,10:30)

Hi, Jesus Christ is the root AND the descendant of David

Nick.

You should ask the question:
Why is the name Jesus mentioned many times in the Gospels.
But not much in revelation?

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Is eleven times not much to you?

The gospels record his life and you would expect plenty more references.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2014,14:30)

Hi WU, Is eleven times not much to you? The gospels record his life and you would expect plenty more references.

Nick.

Fourteen times really.
But He also is quoted in revelation as the Word of God.
The king of kings;the Lord of Lords.
The Lamb of God. The Alpha and the Omega,
the First and the Last; the Beginning and the End.
The tree of life.
The bright and morning star.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
So back to the question you posed
is that a small number?

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Where is Jesus called the tree of life?

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Rev 22 speaks of the TREES of life

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2014,06:07)

Hi WU, Rev 22 speaks of the TREES of life

Nick.

Yes; trees that bear twelve manner of fruits
every month.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
So you said Jesus was the tree??

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