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[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2012,05:37)

Wakeup; Quote A spirit body can materialize into anything at will. I do know where this teaching comes from but I do know that Jesus went to special effort to prove he was not a spirit; which is to say a ghost.  Shouldn’t we both be doing the same? Quote Melchiszedek (the word of God) translated  in the flesh ( not born)then vanishes. Hebrews 7 King James Version (KJV) 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Scripture does not name his father, his mother, his descendants, his conception, his death day, or the end of his priesthood.  In this he is like an angel of God.  I still do not see where it teaches he has a spirit body that materialized as flesh.

Kerwin.

Melchizedek is the word of God materialised in the flesh instantly. Jesus(the word of God) materialised in the flesh,being born of a woman.

3 angels materialised in the flesh and ate and drank with abraham.

The TREE OF LIFE in the garden; is the word of God,materialised into a tree,for no one can have life unles he has the word of God (only, and none else) in him/her.

Regarding flesh and bone:
Flesh and blood CAN NOT inherrit the kingdom of God.
If jesus is flesh and bone,then how can he inherrit the kingdom?

I know what they say; flesh and bone and spirit blood. but then again this is not in scripture,this is twisting scripture,which we must never do.

Kerwin: the flesh and bone doctrine came in, because they could not fit in the 1000yr reign; where they are still in the flesh,not spirit. And they all will live a 100 yrs and then die.
so they have to twist scripture to make it fit.

wakeup.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2012,14:46)

Regarding flesh and bone: Flesh and blood CAN NOT inherrit the kingdom of God. If jesus is flesh and bone,then how can he inherrit the kingdom? I know what they say; flesh and bone and spirit blood. but then again this is not in scripture,this is twisting scripture,which we must never do.

Amen.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Where is your evidence for MATERIALISATION?

[kerwin]

Wakeup;

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The TREE OF LIFE in the garden; is the word of God,materialised into a tree,for no one can have life unles he has the word of God  (only, and none else)  in him/her.

Have you considered the fallen angels; such as Satan?

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Melchizedek is the word of God materialized in the flesh instantly

I understand that you believe that is inferred from Scripture; but not why you do.

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Jesus (the word of God) materialised in the flesh,being born of a woman.

The Word is manifest in the flesh of Jesus; who is born of women.  That is the mystery of godliness just as it is written:

1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version (KJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jesus is made manifest in the flesh of those that persevere in believing; just as it is written:

2 Corinthians 4:11
King James Version (KJV)

11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

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3 angels materialized in the flesh and ate and drank with Abraham.

They appeared to Abraham; as it is written:

Genesis 18
King James Version (KJV)

1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3 And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

Two traveled to Sodom while the last remained to have further communications with Abraham; as it is written:

Genesis 18
King James Version (KJV)

20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

The last went his way and Abraham returned to his tent.

Genesis 18
King James Version (KJV)

33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

They did not materialize but God did open Abraham eyes to see what was unseen; just as he would later do with Balaam and Hagar; for it is written about the later.

Numbers 22:31
King James Version (KJV)

31 Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.

And

Genesis 21:19
King James Version (KJV)

19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.

The three angels did travel to and fro.

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Regarding flesh and bone: Flesh and blood CAN NOT inherrit the kingdom of God. If jesus is flesh and bone,then how can he inherrit the kingdom?

Blood is associated with death in Scripture or don’t you know that Jesus shed his life on the cross for us and after that was done a solder stuck him with a spear; causing his dead body to shed water and blood; and yet Scripture declares he shed his blood for us; just as it is written:

Colossians 1:20
King James Version (KJV)

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
2 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.

And

John 19
King James Version (KJV)

33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

Other such associations are:

Genesis 4:10
King James Version (KJV)

10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

And

Genesis 9:4
King James Version (KJV)

4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

On the other hand the Spirit enlivened body mankind was created in is called flesh and bone; for it is written.

Genesis 2:23
King James Version (KJV)

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

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I know what they say; flesh and bone and spirit blood. but then again this is not in scripture, this is twisting scripture, which we must never do.

I already pointed out the association of blood to death and flesh and bone to eternal life.  Jesus’ body after his resurrection may well have had blood but it is the Spirit that gives it life and not the blood; just as it is written:

Romans 1
King James Version (KJV)

4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

And

Romans 8:11
King James Version (KJV)

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

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Kerwin: the flesh and bone doctrine came in, because they could not fit in the 1000yr reign; where they are still in the flesh,not spirit. And they all will live a 100 yrs and then die. so they have to twist scripture to make it fit.

You are used to thinking of flesh as subject to the bondage of corruption and not flesh that is free into the glorious liberty of the children of God; just as it is written:

Romans 8:21
King James Version (KJV)

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2012,02:15)

Hi KW, Hebrews tells us that Melchizidec was a MAN The same book uses the fact that he had no KNOWN ancestry to compare him with the Son of God. Of course that Sonship is of the Spirit and not human parenthood.

Nick;

Thank you; though I do not see where what you wrote disagrees with what I wrote. It is an important insight.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2012,14:56)

Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2012,08:56) Ed J.; Do you believe Jesus is a spirit? Kerwin. Jesus is the word of God made flesh,of the root off david. Resurrected in a spirit body,he has the truth in him,for the Word of God is truth; If the word dwelleth in us we also have the spirit of truth in us,each according to Gods measure. So Jesus is not just a spirit force,he has a body. We all have the spirit of life in us,but we also have the spirit of truth in us if we follow the word of God in truth that is. It is that same spirit that will quicken the flesh in the resurrection. Some have the spirit of evil in them,that makes them do evil things,satan is the father of it. satans spirit is evil; Gods spirit is holy,which one have we got in us? This world(babylon) has followed the spirit of satan,thats why babylon will be destroyed. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

The HolySpirit was “The Word” made flesh
at Jesus baptism; that is what John 1:14 means.

The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.

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the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2012,20:26)

Hi Ed, Do you think Jesus Christ is JUST Spirit?

Hi Nick,

Do you think Angels are JUST Spirit?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2012,23:27)

Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2012,18:04) Wakeup; Do you believe the flesh and bone body is the spirit body? Kerwin. Aspirit body can materialise,into anything at will. sample: Melchiszedek (the word of God) translated  in the flesh ( not born)then vanishes. He is the first king of peace and righteousness in salem. In all; Jesus is preeminance. At his coming; he simply takes back what was his all along. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Melchizedek: is it an “office” or a “person”,
from Shem to David to Jesus Christ!              (Link)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2012,23:10)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 02 2012,14:56) Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2012,08:56) Ed J.; Do you believe Jesus is a spirit? Kerwin. Jesus is the word of God made flesh,of the root off david. Resurrected in a spirit body,he has the truth in him,for the Word of God is truth; If the word dwelleth in us we also have the spirit of truth in us,each according to Gods measure. So Jesus is not just a spirit force,he has a body. We all have the spirit of life in us,but we also have the spirit of truth in us if we follow the word of God in truth that is. It is that same spirit that will quicken the flesh in the resurrection. Some have the spirit of evil in them,that makes them do evil things,satan is the father of it. satans spirit is evil; Gods spirit is holy,which one have we got in us? This world(babylon) has followed the spirit of satan,thats why babylon will be destroyed. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, The HolySpirit was “The Word” made flesh at Jesus baptism; that is what John 1:14 means. The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate… distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit. the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com- pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18) The Word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28) 1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

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The HolySpirit was “The Word” made flesh at Jesus baptism; that is what John 1:14 means.

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

this verse that John wrote was is explanation right at the start of Christ ministry ,his testified that what he saw wen Christ came to be preaching and THE WORD he talks about was not words or expressions of the heart but a being that took a appearance of men in the flesh,and for a while dwelt among men in full grace and truth.

words cannot walk in grace or in truth ,and they can not dwelt in the flesh as human because words are expressions of the heart of the one that say them, but since Christ came to fulfill

his father s will what he knew before hand not after ward ,so Christ was in total accord with that will ,and that will was in his heart just as he said wen he was twelve years old ,SO THE WORDS THAT CAME OUT OF JESUS CHRIST MOUTH WERE FROM HIS HEART BUT ORIGINATED FROM HIS FATHER IN THIS WAY THEY ARE ONE , CHRIST IS THE MEDIATOR BETWEEN MEN AND HIS FATHER

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
You first.
Do you think Jesus is or was an angel?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2012,18:00)

Hi Ed, You first. Do you think Jesus is or was an angel?

Hi Nick,

No

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2012,16:14)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2012,20:26) Hi Ed, Do you think Jesus Christ is JUST Spirit? Hi Nick, Do you think Angels are JUST Spirit? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,
What is spirit?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2012,20:02)

Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2012,16:14) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2012,20:26) Hi Ed, Do you think Jesus Christ is JUST Spirit? Hi Nick, Do you think Angels are JUST Spirit? God bless Ed J Hi Ed, What is spirit?

Hi Nick,

You mean you don't know?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

Spirit G4151 πνεῦμα (pneuma) pnyoo'-mah: spirit, ghost

From pneo; a current of air, i.e. Breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively,
a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc.,
or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit — ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare psuche.

Spirit H7307 ר֫וּחַ (ruach) roo'-akh: air, anger, blast, breath, cool, courage, mind, quarter,

From ruwach; wind; by resemblance breath, i.e. A sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively,
life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension, a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being
(including its expression and functions) — air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit((-ual)), tempest, X vain, ((whirl-))wind(-y).

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2012,16:14)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2012,20:26) Hi Ed, Do you think Jesus Christ is JUST Spirit? Hi Nick, Do you think Angels are JUST Spirit? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi ED,
Thanks for your definition of spirit.
No angels are souls.

Some are sons of God.

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2012,06:41)

Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2012,16:14) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2012,20:26) Hi Ed, Do you think Jesus Christ is JUST Spirit? Hi Nick, Do you think Angels are JUST Spirit? God bless Ed J Hi ED, Thanks for your definition of spirit. No angels are souls. Some are sons of God.

Hi Nick,

Why do you say some when Job 38:7 says all?
Is that because those Angels cast to earth
refuse to be born again as Son's of God?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ June 05 2012,13:34)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2012,06:41) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2012,16:14) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2012,20:26) Hi Ed, Do you think Jesus Christ is JUST Spirit? Hi Nick, Do you think Angels are JUST Spirit? God bless Ed J Hi ED, Thanks for your definition of spirit. No angels are souls. Some are sons of God. Hi Nick, Why do you say some when Job 38:7 says all? Is that because those Angels cast to earth refuse to be born again as Son's of God? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J;

Those angels cast to earth blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ June 05 2012,18:51)

Quote (Ed J @ June 05 2012,13:34) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2012,06:41) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2012,16:14) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2012,20:26) Hi Ed, Do you think Jesus Christ is JUST Spirit? Hi Nick, Do you think Angels are JUST Spirit? God bless Ed J Hi ED, Thanks for your definition of spirit. No angels are souls. Some are sons of God. Hi Nick, Why do you say some when Job 38:7 says all? Is that because those Angels cast to earth refuse to be born again as Son's of God? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J; Those angels cast to earth blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

Hi Kerwin,

Where is your proof of this assertion?
Besides the Scripture says not to Blaspheme in
this world or the world to come, not the previous one.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
All the angels
or
all the sons?

Forgiveness is not offered to angels.
They do not become men either.

[Wakeup]

Just incase you guys dont know
Satan and his angels was never cast out of heaven before Christ the resurection.

In the days of Job they were still free in heaven and in earth.
In the days of Jesus also.

Just before Jesus was taken to be questioned,he said:Now is the judgement of this world: now shall the prince of this world BE CAST OUT.

To have more info; need to study rev.12.(this is a dual proph.).

wakeup.

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