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Hi,
This subject has come up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_ChristianityNick……..I was referring to Paul of Samosata, sorry!. I think they became Known later as the Paulicans This sect was greatly persecuted by the RCC .
peace…………….gene
Hi,
I think many here who preach universalism are pauline rather than Christian.
But Paul was following Christ and his teachings are for his brothers.
We should not preach his teachings to the heathen idolaters.Seek ye first the kingdom. Then milk for babies .
Meat is for the mature.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 08 2009,05:13) Hi,
I think many here who preach universalism are pauline rather than Christian.
But Paul was following Christ and his teachings are for his brothers.
We should not preach his teachings to the heathen idolaters.Seek ye first the kingdom. Then milk for babies .
Meat is for the mature.
As one who believes in the salvation of all (1Tim.4:9-11), (some term us as followers of universalism), a non-biblical term. I have never heard of the term “Pauline”, I don't find this term in scripture, and have no idea what this refers to. I prefer the use of scripture to the words of man.Blessings.
Hi,
Would your answer to Peter's question
1 Peter 4:18
AND IF IT IS WITH DIFFICULTY THAT THE RIGHTEOUS IS SAVED, WHAT WILL BECOME OF THE GODLESS MAN AND THE SINNER?be:
No worries.
All will be saved
?Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 08 2009,12:58) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 08 2009,05:13) Hi,
I think many here who preach universalism are pauline rather than Christian.
But Paul was following Christ and his teachings are for his brothers.
We should not preach his teachings to the heathen idolaters.Seek ye first the kingdom. Then milk for babies .
Meat is for the mature.
As one who believes in the salvation of all (1Tim.4:9-11), (some term us as followers of universalism), a non-biblical term. I have never heard of the term “Pauline”, I don't find this term in scripture, and have no idea what this refers to. I prefer the use of scripture to the words of man.Blessings.
http://www.preceptaustin.org/1_timothy_49-11.htmWHO IS THE SAVIOR OF ALL MEN, ESPECIALLY OF BELIEVERS: os estin (3SPAI) soter panton anthropon, malista piston: (1Ti 2:4,6; Psalms 36:6; 107:2,6-43; Isaiah 45:21,22; John 1:29; 3:15-17; 1 John 2:2; 4:14) (John 5:24; 1 John 5:10-13)
Savior (4990) (soter from sozo = rescue from peril from saos = safe; delivered) is one who rescues and thus saves, delivers or preserves
Of all men – this phrase has led to fruitless discussions that God saves “all men”, but even this passage specifies “believers”. If that is not sufficient, there are many passages that clearly teach God while being able to save all men, actually saves only those who place their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work on Calvary.
For example Jesus declared…
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. (John 5:24)
The apostle John adds that…
10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the witness that God has borne concerning His Son.
11 And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. (1John 5:10-13)Guzik comments that…
It isn't that all men are saved in an universalist sense; but that there is only one Savior for all men; it isn't as if Christians have one Savior and others might have another savior. But notice Paul's point: especially of those who believe. Jesus' work is adequate to save all, but only effective in saving those who come to Him by faith. (1 Timothy 4)
John MacArthur adds that Paul's…
point is not that He actually saves the whole world (for that would be universalism, and Scripture clearly teaches not all will be saved). The point is that He is the only Savior to Whom anyone in the world can turn for forgiveness and eternal life—and therefore He urges all to embrace Him as Savior. Jesus Christ is proffered to the world as Savior. (Master's Seminary Journal Volume 7. Spring 1996)
Hi DK.
You use scripture from 'John', the words of Jesus. His (Jesus) message was to Israel (Matt.15:24 & Ro. 15:8), their entrance into the “Kingdom” was by Obedience to the “Law”, by their 'works'. Their disobedience to the Law, and rejection of their “Messiah”, resulted in God leaving them, and turned to the 'nations'. (Acts13:46). BUT, if you read Ro.11:26 …All israel will be saved. A new eon (era), and new understanding.Blessings.
Quote (dirtyknections @ Jan. 09 2009,01:57) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 08 2009,12:58) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 08 2009,05:13) Hi,
I think many here who preach universalism are pauline rather than Christian.
But Paul was following Christ and his teachings are for his brothers.
We should not preach his teachings to the heathen idolaters.Seek ye first the kingdom. Then milk for babies .
Meat is for the mature.
As one who believes in the salvation of all (1Tim.4:9-11), (some term us as followers of universalism), a non-biblical term. I have never heard of the term “Pauline”, I don't find this term in scripture, and have no idea what this refers to. I prefer the use of scripture to the words of man.Blessings.
http://www.preceptaustin.org/1_timothy_49-11.htmWHO IS THE SAVIOR OF ALL MEN, ESPECIALLY OF BELIEVERS: os estin (3SPAI) soter panton anthropon, malista piston: (1Ti 2:4,6; Psalms 36:6; 107:2,6-43; Isaiah 45:21,22; John 1:29; 3:15-17; 1 John 2:2; 4:14) (John 5:24; 1 John 5:10-13)
Savior (4990) (soter from sozo = rescue from peril from saos = safe; delivered) is one who rescues and thus saves, delivers or preserves
Of all men – this phrase has led to fruitless discussions that God saves “all men”, but even this passage specifies “believers”. If that is not sufficient, there are many passages that clearly teach God while being able to save all men, actually saves only those who place their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work on Calvary.
For example Jesus declared…
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. (John 5:24)
The apostle John adds that…
10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the witness that God has borne concerning His Son.
11 And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. (1John 5:10-13)Guzik comments that…
It isn't that all men are saved in an universalist sense; but that there is only one Savior for all men; it isn't as if Christians have one Savior and others might have another savior. But notice Paul's point: especially of those who believe. Jesus' work is adequate to save all, but only effective in saving those who come to Him by faith. (1 Timothy 4)
John MacArthur adds that Paul's…
point is not that He actually saves the whole world (for that would be universalism, and Scripture clearly teaches not all will be saved). The point is that He is the only Savior to Whom anyone in the world can turn for forgiveness and eternal life—and therefore He urges all to embrace Him as Savior. Jesus Christ is proffered to the world as Savior. (Master's Seminary Journal Volume 7. Spring 1996)
Hi Dk:Thanks for your post. I agree.
Hi CO,
Sort of a NEW AGE?
“Read all about it. You are all saved. Carry on what you are doing as God does not mind”?CO,
If you are not saved then perhaps you should listen to Jesus and come to him?Reliance on a misinterpretation of the teachings of Paul to the saved is unwise.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 18 2009,08:23) CO,
If you are not saved then perhaps you should listen to Jesus and come to him?Reliance on a misinterpretation of the teachings of Paul to the saved is unwise.
NH.
You listen to Jesus teaching as for you? Why do you deny His words? If you don't believe His words,then how are you listening to Him? Either you believe ALL his words, or you are only picking the words you want to hear.
Obviously you must be reading too much of your own gospel, the “one eternal gospel for all”. No wonder you're so confused.
I would be interested to hear about this “one eternal gospel for all”, would you be gratious enough to quote a few scriptures from this book of yours?CO,
Indeed you should hear the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Listen to Paul preachiing to the gentiles.Acts 17
16Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry.17Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.
18Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.
19And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?
20For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
21(For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)
22Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
23For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
CO,
We are advised to test the spirits.
Those who enter the kingdom but do not go through the gate are thieves.
Those at the wedding feast but not attired properly [we are baptised into Jesus] are thrown out.We need all the witnesses of 1Jn5
NH.
A little explanation why you don't understand the wedding feast, and who is the bride:..WHO IS THE BRIDE?
The faithful in Israel are often found under covenant relationship with Jehovah. In the realm of feeling and affection this is figured by the marriage bond. Israel was the wife of Jehovah. Those who receive the Messiah are the bride of the Lambkin. As God's supreme aim is to unite His creatures to Himself by links of love, this may be considered as the highest aspect of Israel's relationship to their God. He uses the transient experience of earth's highest bliss to figure the permanent felicity of His people.
Not only was Israel brought into the bondage of the law at Sinai, but she also was bound to Jehovah as His wife. He became her Husband (Jer.31:32). Then it was that He put upon her His comeliness (Ezek.16:8-14). Not only did they break the law in minor matters, but they failed in the very first commandment. Instead of loving Him with all their hearts and souls, they forsook Him and sought solace with His enemies (Hos.2:6-13). This is what led to the divorce (Deut.24:1-4) which caused them to go into captivity. According to the law, they forfeited all right to be His again. But the law of love is higher than the law of Sinai. That was given partly because of the hardness of their hearts. Jehovah's heart is not hardened by the failure of His people. Even though divorced, He invites her to return to Him (Jer.3:1).
Hope this clears up your misunderstanding of who the bride is.
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