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Paradise is Gods Throne:
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Revelation 2:7
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations. Revelation 22:2
Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Revelation 22:14
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 11 2009,15:24) Paradise is Gods Throne: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Revelation 2:7
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations. Revelation 22:2
Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Revelation 22:14
Abrahams Bosom is the Covenant.The New Jerusalem will be so beautiful, nothing today can compare of what it will look like. To live forever and never get tired, is another thing that we cannot even slightly grasp. Since we are growing old our Bodies just don't want to do what our minds want it to do. Then we will not have to worry about anything. How great is that going to be!!!!
Eye hast not seen and hear hast not heard, prepared for them that love Me, says the Lord.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 11 2009,15:57) Hi CON,
Is it not the new Jerusalem-on earth?
[rev21, ez 47]
It will be.Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 12 2009,10:54) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 11 2009,15:24) Paradise is Gods Throne: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Revelation 2:7
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations. Revelation 22:2
Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Revelation 22:14
Abrahams Bosom is the Covenant.
Hi CON,
Abraham, one of the living ones, speaks in Lk16.
Just as other living ones spoke with Jesus on the mountain.
God is the God of the living, like Isaac and Jacob, not the dead.
The Spirit of God ever abides and those who are so blessed never 'die'.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 12 2009,02:08) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 12 2009,10:54) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 11 2009,15:24) Paradise is Gods Throne: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Revelation 2:7
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations. Revelation 22:2
Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Revelation 22:14
Abrahams Bosom is the Covenant.
Hi CON,
Abraham, one of the living ones, speaks in Lk16.
Just as other living ones spoke with Jesus on the mountain.
God is the God of the living, like Isaac and Jacob, not the dead.
The Spirit of God ever abides and those who are so blessed never 'die'.
Nick,Do you believe Jesus is the Firstborn of the dead? And/or Firstborn of the Resurrection?
That Christ should suffer, [and] that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles. Act 26:23
But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept. . . But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1Corinthians 15:20; 23
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.Colossians 1:18
And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Revelation 1:5
If you do that is good.
But that gives us a problem. Do you know what the problem is?
Moses died, did he not?
And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thy days approach that thou must die: call Joshua, and present yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses and Joshua went, and presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation. Deuteronomy 31:14
And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people: Deuteronomy 32:50
So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. And Moses [was] an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated. Deuteronomy 34:5-7
Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying, Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, [even] to the children of Israel. Joshua 1:1-2
Now for the problem:
1 ) If Moses died, did he not have to be resurrected?
2 ) If Moses died, did he not have to be resurrected? Before Jesus?
3 ) If Moses died, and was resurrected before Jesus? Then was not Moses the firstborn of the dead in Heaven? After all he was seen on the Mount with Jesus and Elijah. And Jesus was very much alive still at that point, for he was yet to be crucified.
This would be very much a major contradiction. Would it not?
Unless it was a vision of the future glory of the kingdom in a glorified state.
And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. Matthew 17:9
If the vision was spoken of before Jesus resurrection of the dead then most would think Moses was already resurrected.
Vision(s) occurs 79 times in 73 verses in the KJV Bible, and in each and every case it is of a future nature or state, it is never real time. Not once.
Do not be mislead by teachings of Rome. Lets Scripture and the Spirit guide you.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 12 2009,02:08) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 12 2009,10:54) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 11 2009,15:24) Paradise is Gods Throne: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Revelation 2:7
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations. Revelation 22:2
Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Revelation 22:14
Abrahams Bosom is the Covenant.
Hi CON,
Abraham, one of the living ones, speaks in Lk16.
Just as other living ones spoke with Jesus on the mountain.
God is the God of the living, like Isaac and Jacob, not the dead.
The Spirit of God ever abides and those who are so blessed never 'die'.Do not be mislead by teachings of Rome. Lets Scripture and the Spirit guide you.
In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, we have an account of a discussion Jesus had with a group of Sadducees, who scripture explains, did not believe in a resurrection of the dead (Matt 22:23, Mark 12:18, Luke 20:27).They pose a question to Jesus about a widow who marries 7 brothers in sequence as each dies.
The Sadducees presume that they have posed an impossible question to Jesus, because they assume that after any alleged resurrection, the woman would be guilty of bigamy by having seven husbands.
Jesus answers as follows (emphasis is mine):
Mat 22:28 (KJV) Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.Mark 12:23 (KJV) In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.
Mark 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Mark 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Mark 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.Luke 20:34 (KJV) And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Luke 20:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses showed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
Luke 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.Note that the topic at hand deals with the Sadducees denial of a resurrection (the power of God to raise the dead) and their lack of knowledge of scripture on the matter.
In each of the above passages, to prove the resurrection, God is quoted when he spoke to Moses (Exodus 3:6) and said “I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob” and then the comment is made that “God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”
Some Catholics will point to the phrase “God is not the God of the dead, but of the living” as proof that people never really die, but rather their “soul” continues to live on after death.
However it is clear from the above passages that the issue in question is God's power to raise the dead from the grave in a resurrection, something the Sadducees clearly rejected.
The question posed does not address who's wife the woman would be after she is dead, while still in the grave, but rather after her resurrection, because the Sadducees assumed death to be final and irreversible.
Catholics who cite these passages to support Catholic teaching on the state of the dead (purgatory etc.) are doing so out of context, and this is apparent to most any reader who will merely take the time to study the matter.
1 Cor 15:52 (KJV) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Cor 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1 Cor 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1 Cor 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1 Cor 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.The dead are in the grave, corrupt, decayed, dust, awaiting their resurrection at the last trumpet.
At their resurrection they will put on incorruption, immortality, but until then they rest in the grave.
CT………..I agree with that Post…………..No one has been raised from the stated of the dead except Jesus. “when a man dies his thoughts PARISH, He no longer exists Until he is resurected by GOD and given a new body and Spirit (intellect) is added back into it and then he becomes a Living SOUL again. The false teachings of the Apostate Catholic Church and Her daughters have infected the minds of many. Some come part way out of Her teachings but not all the way out. Her confusion Still prevails in many.
Peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
CT………..enjoy reading your posts please stay with us. WE need sound teachings Here brother.
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
City of God, Jerusalem, Heavenly Jerusalem, Holy Jerusalem, New Jerusalem, Mountain of the Lords house, Siy'on/Siōn/Tsiyown/Zion.
Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah. Psalm 87:3
And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. Isaiah 2:2
For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp [that] burneth. Isaiah 62:1
So shall ye know that I [am] the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. Joel 3:17
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. Galations 4:26
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, Hebrews 12:22
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and my new name. Revelation 3:12
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on : the mount Sion: , and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. Revelation 14:1
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:2
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Revelation 21:10
Hebrew 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
The Bible speaks of “Jerusalem above”, “heavenly Jerusalem” or “new Jerusalem.”
(2 Peter 3:13)
But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.
Righteousness will dwell in both the “new heavens” AND “new earth.”I would consider the new earth, to be the paradise the Bible speaks of. Adam and Eve lived in Eden.
The Septuagint rendered the Hebrew word for “garden” (gan) by the Greek word pa·ra′dei·sos. To this fact we owe our association of the English word “paradise” with the garden of Eden.
The garden of Eden was paradise.God's purpose for mankind and the earth have not changed.
(Matthew 5:5)
“Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.Paul or someone he knew was caught up into Paradise. It doesn't appear to be earth.
2 Corinthians 12
1 Boasting is necessary, though it is not profitable; but I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago–whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows–such a man was caught up to the third heaven.3 And I know how such a man–whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows–
4 was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.
Luke 23:43
43 And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in (A)Paradise.”Nick,
It is my belief that Paradise and the Garden of Eden are one and the same.
I am not sure where that belief comes from so I can not say if it is a true or false one. God certainly knows.
Quote (Gene @ Oct. 13 2009,04:55) CT………..I agree with that Post…………..No one has been raised from the stated of the dead except Jesus. “when a man dies his thoughts PARISH, He no longer exists Until he is resurected by GOD and given a new body and Spirit (intellect) is added back into it and then he becomes a Living SOUL again. The false teachings of the Apostate Catholic Church and Her daughters have infected the minds of many. Some come part way out of Her teachings but not all the way out. Her confusion Still prevails in many. Peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Who appeared with Jesus in heavenly glory when the Father testified that Jesus was his son?Matthew 17
1) After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2) There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3) Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.I know that you will say it was a vision. But where does it say it was a vision?
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