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Hi BD,
Does your strict legalistic view demand God's words align with you and your understanding?
Do you really see yourself as greater than God?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,07:48) Hi BD,
He died by crucifixion.
So he wasn't hung from a tree?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,07:52) Hi BD,
Does your strict legalistic view demand God's words align with you and your understanding?
Do you really see yourself as greater than God?
No legalistic view, it is a view that certain content can be incorrect by virtue of the author “recalling” and not directly witnessing something.Who came to the tomb first?
Was the tomb empty or was their someone in it?Inconsistencies show that it is not clear exactly what happened.
Hi BD,
Your expertise finds fault with the words of those who were there?
My you have a high opinion of yourself.i had started a thread just simply asking what the faith is of posters and yet it was never answered or even talked about. for one it would help out one having a conversation with another becasue if the views are not the same of they use something other than the greek and hebrew scriptures that are gods inspired word one cannot have any chance to try to learn or shed light to certain questions.
if that person has no intention of trying to learn from those set of scriptures or try to teach, you will have people going out of there way to distort or disprove or ignore certain truths shown. even scriptures that are laid out telling one a specific easy to read answer. no matter if its proved or not these people will ignore and dispute and try to disprove gods words.its not doing anyone good here to ignore and just not care and continue to argue when they will never accept becasue of on ereason or another. if they did seek truth or better accurate knowledge they would not be doing what they are and then you need to ask yourself what does the one trying to seek truth want from those who want lies.
never had i seen people so determined to ignore scriptures that tell you an answer and have them try to disprove gods word for no reason. Shameful it is.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,08:33) Hi BD,
Your expertise finds fault with the words of those who were there?
My you have a high opinion of yourself.
I find no fault because I understand that they thought what happened was correct but 4 different Gospels say that according to each one the account is correct.Adam…………Your post is so long I could not even begin to understand it , But i recall a part where they quoted Jesus as saying except you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man you have (NO) life in You. The Jews try to being you to a physical level by making a example of (LITERAL) blood Drinking, when in fact nothing could be further from the truth. You must take Jesus' words to a spiritual level, what Jesus meant by eat and drink, was to (TAKE TO YOURSELF) His (life) life is in the Blood, it a metaphor and not a literial fact of drinking real Blood, you surely know this Adam. And remember no one took Jesus and sacrificed Him, he did that himself for the sins of the world. And no matter what the Jews say, as Paul said nearly all sin is expiated by the shedding of Blood. Why you might ask, because (LIFE) symbolically is represented by the Blood. Jesus gave His Life for US. SO symbolically he is Shown to be the (LAMB) of GOD.
Adam, they take you down a (LONG) road of reason about That GOD hates the blood thing, but they are carnal minded and only look at it from a carnal mindset, They are void of the spirit, we look at it from a (SPIRITUAL) mindset. We all know sacrificing a billion animals could (NEVER) take away sin. Jesus acted as our Kinsman Redeemer, now ask you Jewish friends about that portion of the Torah.
Adam……….I am telling you again be careful of the (CARNAL) Leavening of the Jews. They hate Jesus and Paul.
With great Love and CARE BROTHER………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,12:52) Hi BD,
Does your strict legalistic view demand God's words align with you and your understanding?
Do you really see yourself as greater than God?
Woe, slow down brother.Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 26 2009,07:27) BD you will never accept anything but your own. you have been shown the message regarding jesus ransom sacrifice and what i did and does for us. there it is plain as day. you choose not to accept it because you are a non beleiver and seem not to care to seek or search for the truth. I say that because its been presented to you and you ignore. i think i have shown you a handful that say it did and all you do is try to disprove it.
you come to disprove at everything even when presented with gods accurate knowledge. not sure what bible or scriptures you use but i see that you said you want to live for love and worship only god almighty, thats great however theres no need to stop learning or turn a blind eye to things shown as gods truth to certain issues you raise.
Do you not think that it would anger god by you talking the way you do about his sons ransom sacrifice that was Gods own will and jesus does the will of his father.
how can you offer truth or advice if you do not beleive and offer no scriptures to prove your point. when presenting a scripture it needs to convey the message of what your own question is about thats how it works.
when we come here and tell you about the ransom sacrifice of jesus and show you scriptures that say what it did and what it means today for use ,you cannot come back and use a scripture that says to love one another…that does not pertain to the issue regarding the scriptures in gods inspired words that tell you in your face, on paper in the bibl,e that it did. stop trying to disprove things that cannot be disproved, it surely is not making your relationship with god stronger.
to edit, pick and choose and ignore the truth just to make it in your mind ok to go on assuming what you claim to think it means is plain wrong and not benefical to you at all.
Peace, could he not say the same of us? I may not agree with many posts in here, but what I do greatly enjoy is the road trip I am taking with all of you including my brother bodhitharta he is just as zealous and fervant as you are. lets talk about our differences but let us enjoy the trip together.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,11:13) Hi BD,
Were you there?
So how can you judge?
If you ask was I there how would that assist you in denying my claims when I could ask the same thing of you?So we shouldn't ask the obvious of each other but we should ask honesty and love of each other. God's words are not only in books they come out of our hearts and mouths.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 27 2009,16:41) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 26 2009,07:27) BD you will never accept anything but your own. you have been shown the message regarding jesus ransom sacrifice and what i did and does for us. there it is plain as day. you choose not to accept it because you are a non beleiver and seem not to care to seek or search for the truth. I say that because its been presented to you and you ignore. i think i have shown you a handful that say it did and all you do is try to disprove it.
you come to disprove at everything even when presented with gods accurate knowledge. not sure what bible or scriptures you use but i see that you said you want to live for love and worship only god almighty, thats great however theres no need to stop learning or turn a blind eye to things shown as gods truth to certain issues you raise.
Do you not think that it would anger god by you talking the way you do about his sons ransom sacrifice that was Gods own will and jesus does the will of his father.
how can you offer truth or advice if you do not beleive and offer no scriptures to prove your point. when presenting a scripture it needs to convey the message of what your own question is about thats how it works.
when we come here and tell you about the ransom sacrifice of jesus and show you scriptures that say what it did and what it means today for use ,you cannot come back and use a scripture that says to love one another…that does not pertain to the issue regarding the scriptures in gods inspired words that tell you in your face, on paper in the bibl,e that it did. stop trying to disprove things that cannot be disproved, it surely is not making your relationship with god stronger.
to edit, pick and choose and ignore the truth just to make it in your mind ok to go on assuming what you claim to think it means is plain wrong and not benefical to you at all.
Peace, could he not say the same of us? I may not agree with many posts in here, but what I do greatly enjoy is the road trip I am taking with all of you including my brother bodhitharta he is just as zealous and fervant as you are. lets talk about our differences but let us enjoy the trip together.
What is certainly true is if we can honestly move forward with love we areinfinitely more capable of learning, I really appreciate what I learned from you about the first use of a word as a guide in interpretation it really helps as a jumping point on a subject.Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 26 2009,21:50) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 27 2009,16:41) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 26 2009,07:27) BD you will never accept anything but your own. you have been shown the message regarding jesus ransom sacrifice and what i did and does for us. there it is plain as day. you choose not to accept it because you are a non beleiver and seem not to care to seek or search for the truth. I say that because its been presented to you and you ignore. i think i have shown you a handful that say it did and all you do is try to disprove it.
you come to disprove at everything even when presented with gods accurate knowledge. not sure what bible or scriptures you use but i see that you said you want to live for love and worship only god almighty, thats great however theres no need to stop learning or turn a blind eye to things shown as gods truth to certain issues you raise.
Do you not think that it would anger god by you talking the way you do about his sons ransom sacrifice that was Gods own will and jesus does the will of his father.
how can you offer truth or advice if you do not beleive and offer no scriptures to prove your point. when presenting a scripture it needs to convey the message of what your own question is about thats how it works.
when we come here and tell you about the ransom sacrifice of jesus and show you scriptures that say what it did and what it means today for use ,you cannot come back and use a scripture that says to love one another…that does not pertain to the issue regarding the scriptures in gods inspired words that tell you in your face, on paper in the bibl,e that it did. stop trying to disprove things that cannot be disproved, it surely is not making your relationship with god stronger.
to edit, pick and choose and ignore the truth just to make it in your mind ok to go on assuming what you claim to think it means is plain wrong and not benefical to you at all.
Peace, could he not say the same of us? I may not agree with many posts in here, but what I do greatly enjoy is the road trip I am taking with all of you including my brother bodhitharta he is just as zealous and fervant as you are. lets talk about our differences but let us enjoy the trip together.
What is certainly true is if we can honestly move forward with love we areinfinitely more capable of learning, I really appreciate what I learned from you about the first use of a word as a guide in interpretation it really helps as a jumping point on a subject.
I agree, always seek the source. Words take on changes throughout time.Blessings
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 27 2009,19:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 26 2009,21:50) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 27 2009,16:41) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 26 2009,07:27) BD you will never accept anything but your own. you have been shown the message regarding jesus ransom sacrifice and what i did and does for us. there it is plain as day. you choose not to accept it because you are a non beleiver and seem not to care to seek or search for the truth. I say that because its been presented to you and you ignore. i think i have shown you a handful that say it did and all you do is try to disprove it.
you come to disprove at everything even when presented with gods accurate knowledge. not sure what bible or scriptures you use but i see that you said you want to live for love and worship only god almighty, thats great however theres no need to stop learning or turn a blind eye to things shown as gods truth to certain issues you raise.
Do you not think that it would anger god by you talking the way you do about his sons ransom sacrifice that was Gods own will and jesus does the will of his father.
how can you offer truth or advice if you do not beleive and offer no scriptures to prove your point. when presenting a scripture it needs to convey the message of what your own question is about thats how it works.
when we come here and tell you about the ransom sacrifice of jesus and show you scriptures that say what it did and what it means today for use ,you cannot come back and use a scripture that says to love one another…that does not pertain to the issue regarding the scriptures in gods inspired words that tell you in your face, on paper in the bibl,e that it did. stop trying to disprove things that cannot be disproved, it surely is not making your relationship with god stronger.
to edit, pick and choose and ignore the truth just to make it in your mind ok to go on assuming what you claim to think it means is plain wrong and not benefical to you at all.
Peace, could he not say the same of us? I may not agree with many posts in here, but what I do greatly enjoy is the road trip I am taking with all of you including my brother bodhitharta he is just as zealous and fervant as you are. lets talk about our differences but let us enjoy the trip together.
What is certainly true is if we can honestly move forward with love we areinfinitely more capable of learning, I really appreciate what I learned from you about the first use of a word as a guide in interpretation it really helps as a jumping point on a subject.
I agree, always seek the source. Words take on changes throughout time.Blessings
Thank You!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,16:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,11:13) Hi BD,
Were you there?
So how can you judge?
If you ask was I there how would that assist you in denying my claims when I could ask the same thing of you?So we shouldn't ask the obvious of each other but we should ask honesty and love of each other. God's words are not only in books they come out of our hearts and mouths.
Hi Bd,
Their observations are more reliable than your judgements.i am not being rude or trying to be mean, to me i think that these conversations has lead at least myself to look deeper into the scriptures and thus getting better understanding, however this is not benificial for any of us in regards to trying to preach and have our eyes opened if noone here is trying to really seek the truth if it is shown.
I'm not saying either that all you say is wrong and i'm right but if a certain question is asked and yet one just ignores and goes on trying to disprove for no reason is not good company. i'm new here and though that people are here since it is a religous type forum that, that would be the common goal. however its not and since that this is really a waste of time.
Nothing is really being taught or learned if people just try to disprove when one shows the answer and there never being any positive result. blow for blow , shout for shout, arguement for arguement results in nothing, if nothing is being saught after.
when people get together and discuss things it is to try to show something and if one shows nothing and the other an answer then to continue to not agree or listen is not what the bible teaches us to do spiritual and not the way to grow and learn gods good word.
How can BD say the same as us – i have not been shown any proof to show a answer to a certain question, yet howver i have seen people show the way to BD constently yet to ignore it and continue to disprove, is not of one who cares for learning or growing.
If BD showed me the words scriptures that show something tangable i'd listen. however for EX the jesus ransom for man – i gave a lot and have found even more yesterday that specifically say, describing that answer with the message – and im not talking about a scripture that has 1 or two words in it that can be twisted or used to whatever way you want but only talking about christs ransom and how his shedding of blood did for us and how jesus knew what was to be when he willfully came to earth to do gods will and such. The what and why and how t othe question… then to have BD reply that jesus didn't have to didn't, didn't want to and means nothing. that he taught love has nothing to do with that question and answer period.
there is nothing wrong with debates but when one has nothing to really offer but disbelief through just not wanting to accept or trying to disprove the word of god as it is written when no shed of doubt is left when the answer is there is plan wrong.
i for one do not get anything spiritually rewarding when a defiant non beleiver speaks only to disprove an already proven question is a waste of anyones time. to continue is pointless, if you care to learn or grow or teach then you need to try to talk with those who actual want to seek it.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,20:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,16:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,11:13) Hi BD,
Were you there?
So how can you judge?
If you ask was I there how would that assist you in denying my claims when I could ask the same thing of you?So we shouldn't ask the obvious of each other but we should ask honesty and love of each other. God's words are not only in books they come out of our hearts and mouths.
Hi Bd,
Their observations are more reliable than your judgements.
loving one another has nothig to do with your ignoring and trying to disprove a question that has been scriptually proven. shown to have that answered and leaving no room for doubt.we are all now sons of god one peole to him and yet when you try to spread falsehood and confusion that is not showing love at all. i don't think anyone hates anyone here.
but spiritual love here is not the same here thats for sure. one really cannot love that way if they choose to ignore adn fight to disprove gods words.
have you noticed that scientist even though they are briliant and do wonderful things and could be loving people – they as a group go out of there way to discredit and disprove gods wonderous works.. they are not allowed to beleive in creation for there work does not allow it.. do you think they are in gods favor
if one reads the bible yet believes only what they want are they truely doing what was told in the scriptures to do gods inspired words. if its not complete worship or faith then its not true becasue if it was each of those things will follow, you would be compelled to do it. you would not be able to hold back it would feel right.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,16:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,11:13) Hi BD,
Were you there?
So how can you judge?
If you ask was I there how would that assist you in denying my claims when I could ask the same thing of you?So we shouldn't ask the obvious of each other but we should ask honesty and love of each other. God's words are not only in books they come out of our hearts and mouths.
BD……….I agree with that post to.peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
bodhitharta wrote:
Quote Now, I am saying that God loves Jesus enough to have saved him just like you believe you have salvation through Jesus.
You place too much importance in the first death. The first death is merely when man enters the grave to await Judgment Day. Many members of mankind who God loves have also entered and will enter therein. Why fear it, What you should fear is the second death known as the lake of fire. Only those who love evil and so refuse to come out into the light will experience it.
God did rescue Jesus from the grave since I can assure you he does not reside there today. In raising him from the grave God showed us that face that fate that the Grave cannot hold a righteous man. That demonstration as well as Jesus’ willingness to meekly go to his death like a sheep to slaughter is a powerful example to me of God’s love both in acting through Jesus and acting on Jesus.
I am glad that Jesus chose to seal the contract of the New Covenant with his blood and thus his life. That is a powerful seal worthy of the King of everything in heaven and on earth. It is my hope to also give my life for the new covenant not only in how I die but also in how I continue to live. Jesus and his love, which comes from God, is the one I seek to emulate.
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