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Hi,
Many have opinions but scripture is truth[Jn17.17]
Truth can be proven by scriptural witnesses[2cor13.1]
Some much time is wasted trawling through opinion here.You're the master of speculation Nick. You say that there are angels yet to be thrown out of heaven and when asked to produce scriptural evidence you fail to reply. You cite a statement from Bildad as “proof” that man is a “worm” and infer that God could not become incarnate. You base your theology on the words of a man that was not an oracle of God. Take the speculation log out of your own eye Nick.
Educated men do not do this.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 10 2009,04:49) Hi,
Many have opinions but scripture is truth[Jn17.17]
Truth can be proven by scriptural witnesses[2cor13.1]
Some much time is wasted trawling through opinion here.
But until the parties agree on a proper method to interpret scripture it will always be opinion making the scriptural witness void.
Even scriptures that seem to be clear in English may not truly represent the original text as it was intended in the Greek or Hebrew culture or language.
Most religious people are not willing to research to any depth beyond what seems to prove their doctrine.Quote (martian @ Dec. 10 2009,05:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 10 2009,04:49) Hi,
Many have opinions but scripture is truth[Jn17.17]
Truth can be proven by scriptural witnesses[2cor13.1]
Some much time is wasted trawling through opinion here.
But until the parties agree on a proper method to interpret scripture it will always be opinion making the scriptural witness void.
Even scriptures that seem to be clear in English may not truly represent the original text as it was intended in the Greek or Hebrew culture or language.
Most religious people are not willing to research to any depth beyond what seems to prove their doctrine.
MartinSo you're saying that when certain parties agree on something, it becomes truth?
On your last sentence, I think the reason is, most people don't know what to search for.Georg
Quote (banana @ Dec. 10 2009,09:20) Quote (martian @ Dec. 10 2009,05:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 10 2009,04:49) Hi,
Many have opinions but scripture is truth[Jn17.17]
Truth can be proven by scriptural witnesses[2cor13.1]
Some much time is wasted trawling through opinion here.
But until the parties agree on a proper method to interpret scripture it will always be opinion making the scriptural witness void.
Even scriptures that seem to be clear in English may not truly represent the original text as it was intended in the Greek or Hebrew culture or language.
Most religious people are not willing to research to any depth beyond what seems to prove their doctrine.
MartinSo you're saying that when certain parties agree on something, it becomes truth?
On your last sentence, I think the reason is, most people don't know what to search for.Georg
Irene,
what I am saying is that there are honest principles for interpreting scripture. simple things like do not take a scripture out of it's local context or out of the total context of scripture. Using sources that reflect all the current archeological input and study. If you read my other posts you would see that some of the common sources used today were published in the 1700's. They do not reflect archeological resources like the dead sea scrols. Use a variety of translations and resources to avoid the bias of one.
There are many more principles for honest study. It has to be more then just our opinions. We must have more proof then just the hairs on the back of my neck.
I personaly am not interested if any agree with me as long as I know I am as honest as I know how to be and feel confirmation in my spirit that I have done well.I fully agree that most people do not know how to properly study the word. If you would be open to discuss it I would be happy if you would post your methods of determining the meaning of scripture. I would enjoy and be happy to share mine with you. Take them or leave them.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 09 2009,09:49) Hi,
Many have opinions but scripture is truth[Jn17.17]
Truth can be proven by scriptural witnesses[2cor13.1]
Some much time is wasted trawling through opinion here.
'Elohim's Truth.But outside of that, who's interpretated truth?
Quote (martian @ Dec. 10 2009,11:40) Quote (banana @ Dec. 10 2009,09:20) Quote (martian @ Dec. 10 2009,05:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 10 2009,04:49) Hi,
Many have opinions but scripture is truth[Jn17.17]
Truth can be proven by scriptural witnesses[2cor13.1]
Some much time is wasted trawling through opinion here.
But until the parties agree on a proper method to interpret scripture it will always be opinion making the scriptural witness void.
Even scriptures that seem to be clear in English may not truly represent the original text as it was intended in the Greek or Hebrew culture or language.
Most religious people are not willing to research to any depth beyond what seems to prove their doctrine.
MartinSo you're saying that when certain parties agree on something, it becomes truth?
On your last sentence, I think the reason is, most people don't know what to search for.Georg
Irene,
what I am saying is that there are honest principles for interpreting scripture. simple things like do not take a scripture out of it's local context or out of the total context of scripture. Using sources that reflect all the current archeological input and study. If you read my other posts you would see that some of the common sources used today were published in the 1700's. They do not reflect archeological resources like the dead sea scrols. Use a variety of translations and resources to avoid the bias of one.
There are many more principles for honest study. It has to be more then just our opinions. We must have more proof then just the hairs on the back of my neck.
I personaly am not interested if any agree with me as long as I know I am as honest as I know how to be and feel confirmation in my spirit that I have done well.I fully agree that most people do not know how to properly study the word. If you would be open to discuss it I would be happy if you would post your methods of determining the meaning of scripture. I would enjoy and be happy to share mine with you. Take them or leave them.
Martian! You don't pay attention who sign's it. Look at it again. It was not I, but Gerog.
IreneDespite what others may think, every “opinion” I offer I believe to be truth based on my best honest evaluation of scriptures. But I must assume that there are many, of greatly different opinions from myself, who believe the same thing. Now, although I believe I've found truth it does not keep me from being deceived (the very nature of being deceived means you're unaware of it). Even when I read something that at first I would want to reject out of hand, I force myself to give it as honest of an evaluation as I can against the whole of scripture, not just my favorite parts.
As to not agreeing with others, I must note, I do not currently agree with myself of a year ago and he disagrees with myself of the year before that, etc. I don't have all truth yet, others may have more truth then me, but still have some major errors in their belief or even others who have a lot of errors but have a better revelation on a certain truth then the rest of us.
All I'm saying is, all I can offer is my opinion, unless Jesus comes down and shows me all truth, all I can do is show how something could of been interpreted differently and how that may fit better with the whole of scripture.
My opinion – Wm
seekingtruth………..Good Post brother. I also feel we are growing as we seek understanding. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
To understand scripture, we must “correctly cut the word of truth” (2Tim.2:15)
2 Timothy 2:15
There is a good rule to follow for finding out what a text or a section or a chapter or a book means. It is attributed to both Miles Coverdale and John Wycliffe. It is worth knowing and should be copied into one's copy of the Bible for constant reference and for constant application to all studies made of the Sacred Scriptures. Here it is:THE GOLDEN RULE OF SCRIPTURE INTERPRETATION
“It shall greatly helpe ye to understand Scripture,
if thou mark not only what is spoken or wrytten,
but of whom, and to whom, with what words,
at what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances,
considering what goeth before and what followeth after.”A link for a detailed explanation of How to “Correctly cut the word of truth”.
http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/CorrectPartitioning/CorrectlyCutting.html
Blessings.
Hi CO,
Universalism is a false premise based on applying teachings for the saved to the unsaved.
Not really a useful base to use to use for your offerings to others.
It does not correctly cut the Word but abuses it.Quote (martian @ Dec. 09 2009,13:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 10 2009,04:49) Hi,
Many have opinions but scripture is truth[Jn17.17]
Truth can be proven by scriptural witnesses[2cor13.1]
Some much time is wasted trawling through opinion here.
But until the parties agree on a proper method to interpret scripture it will always be opinion making the scriptural witness void.
Even scriptures that seem to be clear in English may not truly represent the original text as it was intended in the Greek or Hebrew culture or language.
Most religious people are not willing to research to any depth beyond what seems to prove their doctrine.
MartianHow about studying Greek tenses, verbs, voice, moods, and basically the Greek and Hebrew grammer with the help and guidance of the Holy Spirit?
You and Benner seem to reject that!
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 10 2009,17:19) Hi CO,
Universalism is a false premise based on applying teachings for the saved to the unsaved.
Not really a useful base to use to use for your offerings to others.
It does not correctly cut the Word but abuses it.
NH.
Any scripture to support your opinions?Blessings.
hi co
it may not be important to you but ifollow the spirit of the scriptures ,because all the scriptures have been written for a reason ,that the question.to me that is
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 09 2009,23:49) Hi,
Many have opinions but scripture is truth[Jn17.17]
Truth can be proven by scriptural witnesses[2cor13.1]
Some much time is wasted trawling through opinion here.
What is an opinion? How does it relate to the truth?Quote (banana @ Dec. 10 2009,13:11) Quote (martian @ Dec. 10 2009,11:40) Quote (banana @ Dec. 10 2009,09:20) Quote (martian @ Dec. 10 2009,05:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 10 2009,04:49) Hi,
Many have opinions but scripture is truth[Jn17.17]
Truth can be proven by scriptural witnesses[2cor13.1]
Some much time is wasted trawling through opinion here.
But until the parties agree on a proper method to interpret scripture it will always be opinion making the scriptural witness void.
Even scriptures that seem to be clear in English may not truly represent the original text as it was intended in the Greek or Hebrew culture or language.
Most religious people are not willing to research to any depth beyond what seems to prove their doctrine.
MartinSo you're saying that when certain parties agree on something, it becomes truth?
On your last sentence, I think the reason is, most people don't know what to search for.Georg
Irene,
what I am saying is that there are honest principles for interpreting scripture. simple things like do not take a scripture out of it's local context or out of the total context of scripture. Using sources that reflect all the current archeological input and study. If you read my other posts you would see that some of the common sources used today were published in the 1700's. They do not reflect archeological resources like the dead sea scrols. Use a variety of translations and resources to avoid the bias of one.
There are many more principles for honest study. It has to be more then just our opinions. We must have more proof then just the hairs on the back of my neck.
I personaly am not interested if any agree with me as long as I know I am as honest as I know how to be and feel confirmation in my spirit that I have done well.I fully agree that most people do not know how to properly study the word. If you would be open to discuss it I would be happy if you would post your methods of determining the meaning of scripture. I would enjoy and be happy to share mine with you. Take them or leave them.
Martian! You don't pay attention who sign's it. Look at it again. It was not I, but Gerog.
Irene
My apologies. I am used to you being under “banana.”Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 10 2009,17:23) Quote (martian @ Dec. 09 2009,13:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 10 2009,04:49) Hi,
Many have opinions but scripture is truth[Jn17.17]
Truth can be proven by scriptural witnesses[2cor13.1]
Some much time is wasted trawling through opinion here.
But until the parties agree on a proper method to interpret scripture it will always be opinion making the scriptural witness void.
Even scriptures that seem to be clear in English may not truly represent the original text as it was intended in the Greek or Hebrew culture or language.
Most religious people are not willing to research to any depth beyond what seems to prove their doctrine.
MartianHow about studying Greek tenses, verbs, voice, moods, and basically the Greek and Hebrew grammer with the help and guidance of the Holy Spirit?
You and Benner seem to reject that!
WJ
Did not say I was a Greek scholar. As far as Benner goes you will need to disprove his study on your own.
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