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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,22:25) No more excuses and diversions, just answer the question, okay?
Please!!! What a Joke!I have answered you on every point, where are the diversions? You are creating diversions and confusion by reinventing your questions over and over. I guess you are expecting something different.
How many points of mine have you addressed?
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,22:16) In 1 Corinthians 8:6, who exactly does Paul refer to using the words “one god”? He lists that one by name/title. Who is it Keith? mike
MikeFinally we have an accurate question. The answer is the Father. So what have you proved?
You see I had already answered you because as I said the way I read the verse Paul is saying both the Father and Jesus are God and Lord since he says there is only “One God” and “One Lord”.
Jesus being the One Lord does not exclude the Father from being the “One Lord”, because they are “One”.
So Paul is also saying the Father being the One God does not exclude Jesus from being that One God also because they are “One”. So as Jack has stated the verse is merely functional.
As I stated above…
There are two problems I have with your question. First your assumption is Jesus is in the same category as the other gods, yet we know Jesus is in a class of his own. Second your question is inferring that Paul is saying the Father is our “god” to the exclusion of Jesus, when in fact he is not, any more than Paul is saying Jesus is Lord to the exclusion of the Father.
When you read 1 Cor 8:6 how many gods are mentioned?
Is the Father also King of Kings and Lord of Lords?
If so how can Jesus only be our “One Lord” unless they are one?
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,22:16) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2011,14:48) But now let me ask you the same question and see how your own words answer it. This again is your question… What I want to know is, out of the “many gods” Paul mentions in verse 5, which god in particular does he say is OUR “one God” in verse 6?
According to the words “OUR One God” you yourself can’t give an honest answer to the question because once again here are your words…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 08 2011,14:05) Jesus is one who has been called by the title “god”, so he is also “A god”. He has not specifically been called “THE god” of anything in particular, but knowing that “god” only means “ruler”, I can honestly say that he is “my god“. Notice Mike the my god statement?
Keith,I am well aware of the “my god” statement I made. I stand behind it and will defend it to the death.
Good. Then that means you will die for both of your gods right? Does that sound like a Biblical concept?WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2011,13:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,22:16) In 1 Corinthians 8:6, who exactly does Paul refer to using the words “one god”? He lists that one by name/title. Who is it Keith? mike
The answer is the Father.
Very good Keith.Do you believe Jesus to be “the Father”?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2011,13:30) When you read 1 Cor 8:6 how many gods are mentioned?
Two.mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2011,21:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2011,13:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,22:16) In 1 Corinthians 8:6, who exactly does Paul refer to using the words “one god”? He lists that one by name/title. Who is it Keith? mike
The answer is the Father.
Very good Keith.Do you believe Jesus to be “the Father”?
No! Now what?Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2011,21:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2011,13:30) When you read 1 Cor 8:6 how many gods are mentioned?
Two.
That’s funny, I thought you were saying there was “Only One god” in 1 Cor 8:6?
Wasn't this your original question when you started this thread…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2011,21:29) Keith, does Paul list Jesus Christ, or any combination of Jesus Christ and others, as our “one God” in this scripture?
Is the Father also King of Kings and Lord of Lords?WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 21 2011,09:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2011,21:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2011,13:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,22:16) In 1 Corinthians 8:6, who exactly does Paul refer to using the words “one god”? He lists that one by name/title. Who is it Keith? mike
The answer is the Father.
Very good Keith.Do you believe Jesus to be “the Father”?
No! Now what?
Now what? Now we go back to the first question I asked you to see if your answer might change in light of these last two questions that you answered honestly and directly.Keith, does Paul list Jesus Christ, or any combination of Jesus Christ and others, as our “one God” in this scripture?
I've made the real important words red and underlined so you don't miss them.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 21 2011,09:43) Is the Father also King of Kings and Lord of Lords?
Yes. And Nebuchadnezzar and Artaxerxes were also the “King of kings”. Being called by the same title doesn't make different persons the same being.mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2011,21:14) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 21 2011,09:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2011,21:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2011,13:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,22:16) In 1 Corinthians 8:6, who exactly does Paul refer to using the words “one god”? He lists that one by name/title. Who is it Keith? mike
The answer is the Father.
Very good Keith.Do you believe Jesus to be “the Father”?
No! Now what?
Now what? Now we go back to the first question I asked you to see if your answer might change in light of these last two questions that you answered honestly and directly.Keith, does Paul list Jesus Christ, or any combination of Jesus Christ and others, as our “one God” in this scripture?
I've made the real important words red and underlined so you don't miss them.
Yes Paul list the Father who is our one god and lord and Jesus who is our one god and one lord. The “Combination” of the Father and Jesus in 1 Cor 8:6 are our One God and One Lord!Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2011,21:14) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 21 2011,09:43) Is the Father also King of Kings and Lord of Lords?
Yes. And Nebuchadnezzar and Artaxerxes were also the “King of kings”. Being called by the same title doesn't make different persons the same being.
Good then you admit that 2 can be one or else Paul was a liar when he said Jesus is our “One Lord” which means also the Father is our “One Lord”.Do you see one “god” in 1 Cor 8:6 or two?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 04 2011,09:40) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2011,21:14) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 21 2011,09:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2011,21:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2011,13:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,22:16) In 1 Corinthians 8:6, who exactly does Paul refer to using the words “one god”? He lists that one by name/title. Who is it Keith? mike
The answer is the Father.
Very good Keith.Do you believe Jesus to be “the Father”?
No! Now what?
Now what? Now we go back to the first question I asked you to see if your answer might change in light of these last two questions that you answered honestly and directly.Keith, does Paul list Jesus Christ, or any combination of Jesus Christ and others, as our “one God” in this scripture?
I've made the real important words red and underlined so you don't miss them.
Yes Paul list the Father who is our one god and lord and Jesus who is our one god and one lord. The “Combination” of the Father and Jesus in 1 Cor 8:6 are our One God and One Lord!
Keith,Your answer here does not jive with the HONEST answers you've already given. Consider this your “benefit of the doubt” post. I have not asked your OPINION of what Paul meant. I have asked if Paul LISTED Jesus, or any combination of him and others as our “one God”.
Answer THIS question based on, (not contrary to) the HONEST answers you've already given. If you do not, expect to see this whole post in another “Truthful answers” thread. Remember that you've already answered that the ONE Paul LISTED as our “one God” is THE FATHER, and that Jesus is NOT “the Father”. So if Paul LISTED ONE, and Jesus is NOT the ONE you already answered, then Jesus is NOT the ONE who Paul LISTED as our “one God”.
mike
Keith,
Forget it okay? Read my post in the “Question #4” thread. I just don't have the patience for this anymore, dude.
The scripture CLEARLY lists “THE FATHER” as our “one God”……………AND NO ONE ELSE.
The scripture CLEARLY lists “Jesus Christ” as someone OTHER THAN the Father, who is listed as our “ONE God”.
The scripture lists Jesus as our “one Lord”, but we know that this cannot literally mean there are no other lords at all, for Paul says there are many lords.
The scripture lists the Father as our “one God”, but we also know this can't literally mean there are no other gods at all, because Paul says there are many gods, both in heaven and on earth.
It seems that you cannot answer a simple question honestly. And you cannot ADMIT (although you know it) that the “one Lord” and “one God” wording doesn't exclude the existence of any other “lords” or “gods”.
Jehovah cannot possibly be the “God OF gods” if there is LITERALLY only one god. It is unscriptural to think this, and the only reason you do is so you can say, “Mike, is Jesus a 'false god'?”
No Keith, Jesus is NOT a “false god”, but neither are any of the OTHER vice regents of God Himself who are called “god”. Satan isn't a “false god” either. He is VERY real and VERY powerful.
You think you are fooling people by saying, “There is only ONE God, so Jesus is either a “false god” or he IS that ONE God”. It's child's play Keith, because both Jesus and Paul tell us who that “ONE God” is. And they DON'T tell us it is some combination of persons in a Godhead. They tell us it is THE FATHER. They don't say, “The Father AND Jesus”. They don't say, “The Father AND Jesus AND the Holy Spirit”. They only say, “The Father”.
So if YOU want to pretend the statements of Jesus and Paul are literal instead of the emphatic statements they really are, then YOU have to accept that Jesus is NOT a god at all, because Jesus is NOT “The Father”. And if you want to pretend that by saying “The Father”, it is implied that Jesus is included (even though it is Jesus himself saying the Father is the ONLY true God in John 17:5), then go for it.
As for me, I don't have the time to argue with someone who is willing to pretend the words “The Father” mean “The Father AND Jesus”. They don't say it, they don't mean it, and you would be able to see this if you weren't blinded by the REAL (not false) god of this world.
Keith, this post and the other one in “question #4” came from my emotions and off the top of my head. If I've rambled on, I'm sorry. I just wanted you to know that I won't argue with someone who is willing to answer the question I first asked in this thread the way he did, then when TRICKED into posting the correct answers, STILL goes against the actual answers he himself posted to answer it the same way as before.
I won't call you “dishonest”, but I hope you will look at your own answers and see that when I broke it down, you answered honestly, and those honest answers you gave do not support your first answer in this thread, nor your last one.
See ya around,
mikeHi Mike
Answer my question because it seems like you want me to deny the Father and Jesus is the one god and one lord in that scripture.
Do you see one “god” in 1 Cor 8:6 or two?
You are not honest enough to answer this are you? Because if “YOU” answer it then you have a contradiction to the answer you want from me.
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2011,20:13) Keith, Forget it okay? Read my post in the “Question #4” thread. I just don't have the patience for this anymore, dude.
The scripture CLEARLY lists “THE FATHER” as our “one God”……………AND NO ONE ELSE.
The scripture CLEARLY lists “Jesus Christ” as someone OTHER THAN the Father, who is listed as our “ONE God”.
The scripture lists Jesus as our “one Lord”, but we know that this cannot literally mean there are no other lords at all, for Paul says there are many lords.
Hi MikeIf the scripture says Jesus is our “one lord” then that means to us there is no other lord’s period. You cannot say that “One God” only means the Father and then say “One Lord” includes Jesus and the Father.
You do understand that in Roman times to confess Caesar as Lord was confessing him as their God. Many Christians died because they denied Caesar as being Lord.
That is why Paul said “no man can say Jesus is Lord but by the Holy Spirit because to confess anyone but Caesar as Lord was punishable by death.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,14:28) Hi Mike If the scripture says Jesus is our “one lord” then that means to us there is no other lord’s period.
And is that what it means, Keith? Does it mean that there have never been any other lords, period?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,14:20) Hi Mike Answer my question because it seems like you want me to deny the Father and Jesus is the one god and one lord in that scripture.
Do you see one “god” in 1 Cor 8:6 or two?
You are not honest enough to answer this are you? Because if “YOU” answer it then you have a contradiction to the answer you want from me.
WJ
I see MANY gods in the entire sentence Paul wrote Keith. Don't you?
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